2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

[BlueNGold]

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@ the Jimmer talk.

What happened to the Knicks fans of old?

I didn't realize that the Knicks struggled to score the ball last year.

One word:

Isiah.

[Vince]

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It really makes more sense for Cle to take williams then go for one of the PG's left. The gap between Kemba, Irving and Knight is not that big imo.


"If the Raps get Kanter at 5.....I think that means Bargs is not going anywhere. If anything they want Kanter to pair with him. "

Bargs needs to go. I want Ed Davis as the full time Power Forward next season.

[OSUFan_88]

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It really makes more sense for Cle to take williams then go for one of the PG's left. The gap between Kemba, Irving and Knight is not that big imo.

And I disagree 100%. Also, if the Cavaliers DON'T take Irving, there is no chance Irving or Knight is there at 4.

Williams and Kemba, to me, is the worst possible scenario for the Cavaliers. A SF who isn't a SF and a PG who isn't a PG. Yippie.

I want Kyrie. I think he's the next Steve Nash. Good point guard skills and incredible shooting ability.

[Hassan Darkside]

And I disagree 100%. Also, if the Cavaliers DON'T take Irving, there is no chance Irving or Knight is there at 4.

Williams and Kemba, to me, is the worst possible scenario for the Cavaliers. A SF who isn't a SF and a PG who isn't a PG. Yippie.

I want Kyrie. I think he's the next Steve Nash. Good point guard skills and incredible shooting ability.

Steve Nash? Probably not who I'd compare him to. Much more athletic, don't know if he's even they great of a shooter due to the small sample size, though I do think he's a solid shooter. And his creativity with the ball isn't close to Nash. And he can play defense.

[OSUFan_88]

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Steve Nash? Probably not who I'd compare him to. Much more athletic, don't know if he's even they great of a shooter due to the small sample size, though I do think he's a solid shooter. And his creativity with the ball isn't close to Nash. And he can play defense.

Perhaps...but I see a lot of Nash in his game. Some people call him CP3 and I don't see that.

Maybe Deron Williams? I think he's the other guy Kyrie reminds me of.

By the way, with Valanchunias buyout being absolutely awful, it sounds like that will turn off the Cavaliers.

I'd be willing to bet that the Cavaliers draft Kanter, Wizards draft JVal, and the Cavaliers trade Kanter to Washington for JVal and their #18. JMHO.

Also, I bet the Suns get another 1st rounder, perhaps lotto pick, then trade for JJ Hickson.

[Vince]

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The notion that Kemba is not a point guartd is fallacy in my opinion.

[bigeastbumrush]

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The notion that Kemba is not a point guartd is fallacy in my opinion.

Yep. It's a misconception by people who never watched him play or only saw him in the NCAA tourney.

He is a playmaking PG. Not a SG in a PG's body.

[NYJets]

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@ the Jimmer talk.

What happened to the Knicks fans of old?

I didn't realize that the Knicks struggled to score the ball last year.

I want a good player. If a strong defensive center is available, that would be great, but it's probably not going to be the case. I'm not trying to take a defensive minded player who can't play just to say we are working on the defense.

[OSUFan_88]

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The notion that Kemba is not a point guartd is fallacy in my opinion.

Yep. It's a misconception by people who never watched him play or only saw him in the NCAA tourney.

He is a playmaking PG. Not a SG in a PG's body.

You both are entitled to your opinion.

[1Rose]

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Kemba is a scorer first. PG second.

[1Rose]

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Then so is Derrick Rose.

Ok. What does that have to do with anything being discussed?

[BurnsideAdmiral]

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Well if we draft JVal and Irving we'd definitely tank next season, no doubt about that. Maybe we should draft him? haha I still want to swing some picks from potential lottery teams in next year's draft though. As long as we just get Irving I'm going to be happy (I think).

[DemiGodzillla]

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And I disagree 100%. Also, if the Cavaliers DON'T take Irving, there is no chance Irving or Knight is there at 4.

Williams and Kemba, to me, is the worst possible scenario for the Cavaliers. A SF who isn't a SF and a PG who isn't a PG. Yippie.

I want Kyrie. I think he's the next Steve Nash. Good point guard skills and incredible shooting ability.

Raise your hand if you're making rash judgements based on the 5 games you've seen Kemba play.

[OSUFan_88]

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Raise your hand if you're making rash judgements based on the 5 games you've seen Kemba play.

Raise your hand if you are obviously biased?

Yeah, I'm done arguing with UCONN fans about how a midget of a scorer isn't going to translate into the NBA.

[Vince]

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Raise your hand if you're making rash judgements based on the 5 games you've seen Kemba play.

Yeah I concur.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Jonathan-Givony-Interview-with-RaptorsHQ-3764#ixzz1Pt3Qse7W

JG: See I don't really know where this Kemba Walker is a combo guard thing started. I was looking at the analysis Dean Oliver did on ESPN a couple days ago where he was comparing Kemba and Brandon Knight.

Dean Oliver is the godfather of course of NBA Advanced Statistics, he could have a job right now with any team in the NBA. So when he writes something like this, more-so than any other analyst in this NBA draft, that's the guy I'm going to pay attention to, and when he said that the average PPR (pure point rating) of a starting point guard in the NBA is 1.2 in college and Kemba Walker's PPR is 1.5, that stands out. And his assist to turnover ratio is 2.0.

At the beginning of this year people were looking at UCONN saying “Jim Calhoun did a terrible job because they don't have any talent, they're not going to make the NCAA tournament, this guy is over the hill, time for him to retire” stuff like that. And what do they do? Not only do they get to the tournament, but they win the whole thing.

And the only reason they were able to do that, without a shred of a doubt, was because of Kemba Walker on their team. I know, he was a scorer this year but he needed to be a scorer. He did put up big scoring numbers, not always in the most efficient way, but that was because of the team that he had. He had a bunch of freshmen beside him and from seeing him when they were out in Maui at the start of the year, he had to do everything.

This is a guy in high school who couldn't shoot, who couldn't score, he was just a passer. He was a back-up on his own high school team, he wasn't a highly regarded prospect by any means. And by his sheer work ethic, he improved his shooting and his scoring ability to the point now that people think he's too much of a scorer!

I mean I would much rather have that guy on my team then a guy who has never been a point guard in his life, and just wants to score. Kemba can play either one of those two roles, and I think once you put him in the NBA with better players alongside him, I don't see any reason why he's not going to be a pass-first player. I think that he's got very good court vision, he's a very good ball-handler, he knows how to run a team, he can control the offence…I've said this a million times but it's amazing to me how the guy who was seen more than anybody, can be “scouted” most poorly, by the general consensus.