Dear APF Dev Team....wheres the defense?

[Rocky]

Re: Dear APF Dev Team....wheres the defense?

If Earl just has to get his, why doesn't Reggie White get his?

He doesn't? Now he doesn't get 5 sacks in this game on a consistent basis....for obvious reasons that doesn't happen, but make no mistake, countless times my brain dead tackle just let Reggie go right by him without making an attempt to block him.

[TombSong]

Re: Dear APF Dev Team....wheres the defense?

He doesn't? Now he doesn't get 5 sacks in this game on a consistent basis....for obvious reasons that doesn't happen, but make no mistake, countless times my brain dead tackle just let Reggie go right by him without making an attempt to block him.

LOL, I am going through a season right now just to see what White will average per game at the end of it. So far 3 games in white has 5 sacks. If he keeps this pace up he will finish with 20 sacks, not to mention he would probably have more than 5 by now if it was not for Keith Millard just barely beating him to sacks. Also I have a generic whose last name is philaw or something like that. He is a BEAST coming off the other end.

This game is all about matchups and IMO is done VERY well, dang near perfect. You really have to set your team up to match whatever scheme you are trying to run. If someone counters your scheme, dont get frustrated make adjustments.

[burnwood]

Re: Dear APF Dev Team....wheres the defense?

Is it really about sacks? Or is it about defense? The topic says 'where is the defense'. I've read a lot of talk about offensive stats and such but what about the impact of how the defensive legends should have?

[grunt]

Re: Dear APF Dev Team....wheres the defense?

Is it really about sacks? Or is it about defense? The topic says 'where is the defense'. I've read a lot of talk about offensive stats and such but what about the impact of how the defensive legends should have?

My defensive legends have an impact. I played over 10 games over the weekend online and most points I have given up was 26 and that game went into overtime.

[bigfnjoe96]

Re: Dear APF Dev Team....wheres the defense?

Defensive Alignments in this game are BROKEN, hence making it very difficult to play defense, include OVER-PROGRAMMED RB's & you NFL 2K4 all over again...

[TombSong]

Re: Dear APF Dev Team....wheres the defense?

Is it really about sacks? Or is it about defense? The topic says 'where is the defense'. I've read a lot of talk about offensive stats and such but what about the impact of how the defensive legends should have?

Nah, its not all about sacks. I just have not had a big problem stopping the run or playing pass defense, so its been all about finding ways to create a big pass rush for me.

IMO the Defensive legends have alot of impact, I know I tend to run AWAY from whatever legends I see on the Dline or LB's as much as I can. I also tend not to throw at them because I do see a difference in how they play. They play MUCH better than most generics. I have seen a few generics play well also. There is a generic LB who's last name is Compton. He was giving me fits the other night. He shut Dave Meggett down all by himself.

[grunt]

Re: Dear APF Dev Team....wheres the defense?

Defensive Alignments in this game are BROKEN, hence making it very difficult to play defense, include OVER-PROGRAMMED RB's & you NFL 2K4 all over again...

I manually change my defensive alignments and it is possible to play great defense in this game.

[TombSong]

Re: Dear APF Dev Team....wheres the defense?

Defensive Alignments in this game are BROKEN, hence making it very difficult to play defense, include OVER-PROGRAMMED RB's & you NFL 2K4 all over again...

The fronts are not aligned right or text book, but they are NOT broken. You CAN stop the run to whichever part of the line you wish to shut down. If you have a scrub Dline matched up against a generic line thats a run type offensive line or a line with some legends its gonna be harder to stop the run but not impossible.

The line stunts in the game are not meaningless, they just put them in the game so they can say they did it feature. They actually WORK. Also go to your playbook manager and be sure to put in the twists and mix and gap left and right stunts. They are not all in the default books. These stunts will help shut down different holes in the line.


When someone is running the ball between the left tackle and guard Twists left SHUTS that down. The opposite shuts the other side down. However you DO gotta watch for the cutback or bounce outside and 9 times out of ten I have found that my LB's take care of that. Every now and then the GREAT backs break free...as it SHOULD be.

Because the game aint got every x and o lined up the way you think it should does not mean its not functional.

[sportsdude]

Re: Dear APF Dev Team....wheres the defense?

Because the game aint got every x and o lined up the way you think it should does not mean its not functional.

Agreed. Plus, people can complain all they want about the defense in this game, but I think it's a lot harder to play defense in the other professional football game than in APF.

[spankdatazz22]

Re: Dear APF Dev Team....wheres the defense?

I don't think the defense is broken either. I consider myself a relative novice online but haven't had anyone simply pound the ball down my throat. Nor have I come up against anything that's been flat-out unstoppable. The one issue I think is valid is that some ball carriers can break tackles then regain momentum/top speed a little too quickly. Which might be able to be rectified by tweaking defenders - particularly the legends - so that they play a little faster and are more sure tacklers. I'd really like to see them tweak the juke system so that it puts more emphasis on elusiveness for the shiftier backs (Sayers/OJ/Sanders) and take a bit away from their ability to run through tackle attempts. I think upping the defensive legend tackle ability might be a decent stopgap for the short term

[TombSong]

Re: Dear APF Dev Team....wheres the defense?

Posted this in another thread incase people are not reading the other thread:

Another thing to consider that I had not even thought about since I have been having good games on the All-Pro level. Try and Run with a Gold back on Legend Level and see how well the defense handles him.

I am gonna start playing playing alot on the Legend level to see what effect this has on running. Totalownership on the 2K boards had a post about this and I was like duh, why hadnt i thought of that before. The All-Pro level more than likely has the Defense toned down a bit so the offense may be at a slight advantage ratings wise, but none the less you CAN still stop a gold RB.

[grunt]

Re: Dear APF Dev Team....wheres the defense?

Posted this in another thread incase people are not reading the other thread:

What happened?

[LBzrule]

Re: Dear APF Dev Team....wheres the defense?

I don't think the defense is broken either. I consider myself a relative novice online but haven't had anyone simply pound the ball down my throat. Nor have I come up against anything that's been flat-out unstoppable. The one issue I think is valid is that some ball carriers can break tackles then regain momentum/top speed a little too quickly. Which might be able to be rectified by tweaking defenders - particularly the legends - so that they play a little faster and are more sure tacklers. I'd really like to see them tweak the juke system so that it puts more emphasis on elusiveness for the shiftier backs (Sayers/OJ/Sanders) and take a bit away from their ability to run through tackle attempts. I think upping the defensive legend tackle ability might be a decent stopgap for the short term

I think you have grasped most of the problem that people on the other side are pointing out. I don't think I would use Joe's word "broken." But the fronts are not accurate and while you can contain things in the game with what you have the fronts being inaccurate REDUCE the EFFECTIVENESS of particular alignments which results in less double team blocks, more linebackers and Safeties getting blocked, less people to tackle the RB's, which leads to the perception of overpowered backs. You can get more people to tackle the back by relying on something that shouldn't work but does, like use Nickel and Dime defenses.

I agreed wholeheartedly on the ball carrier gaining momentum while being in the tackle and coming out of it. It's been around since 2k4 though. He should slow down not speed up. All people have been saying all along is the defenders need to be tweaked up to their offensive counterparts. People have been saying it in different ways and some ways more harsh than others. This goes back to the blitz thread and a few other threads from over a month ago. Increase the speed of the Legend defenders and make them better tacklers. Speed, tackling, bad alignments and balance is all we have been talking about the entire time.

[LBzrule]

Re: Dear APF Dev Team....wheres the defense?

Agreed. Plus, people can complain all they want about the defense in this game, but I think it's a lot harder to play defense in the other professional football game than in APF.

LOL, if you know how to blitz in Madden, which is really all you need to know then I don't think you would make this claim

[TombSong]

Re: Dear APF Dev Team....wheres the defense?

LOL, if you know how to blitz in Madden, which is really all you need to know then I don't think you would make this claim

Co-sign. Madden is a blitzfest. One game has too little Blitz, the other has too much.