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[dsallupinyaarea]

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I'm amazed at how many people are willing to just give up on Jay Cutler. He's probably a top 12 QB in a 32 team league. Every QB isn't going to develop into Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers, those guys are going to the HOF. To cut bait on a 31 year old (this is young in QB years) good QB in a ready made offense for a career backup or a rookie just makes no sense to me.

RG3, Luck, Kap, Wilson and Cam Newton are HUGE outliers. Most of the time you take a big step back starting over with a rookie QB.

[ubernoob]

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Interesting... Neither matchup seems more appealing then the other. I suppose Philly could be playing to win the division at that point.

Philly and Chicago both.

Which means depending on how the chips fall the rest of the season, Chicago OR Philly could be playing in back-to-back Sunday Night games (Both Packers @ Bears and Eagles @ Cowboys could be for their respective divisions.)

[wwharton]

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So he's allowed to make a smart *** joke at my expense and I can't respond? I've let it go. Others seem to have a problem doing so. Sorry.

Both of you can post whatever you want. Your comment just makes you look worse because no matter how many times you try to say it, or adjust your reasoning to discount what Manning did yet another week to disprove your original comment, it has never and will never make sense. And before you say it, it's not because you're a Pats fan.

[SteelersFreak]

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Looking at the current NFL QB landscape what are the names of these "younger, higher quality and higher potential talent" QBs you speak of?

I would argue the exact opposite, and say there is a lack of young high quality talent at the QB position right now, especially talent that will be in the open market.

Not talking about QB's, talking about players at other positions.

I just don't think Cutler is a guy that's gonna win a Super Bowl, regardless of how good that offense is playing. He makes too many mistakes. Now he and the Bears very well might prove me wrong but I don't see the point of paying a guy big bucks if he's not going to take you to the Super Bowl, especially an injury-prone 31 year old.

[kingkilla56]

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I'm amazed at how many people are willing to just give up on Jay Cutler. He's probably a top 12 QB in a 32 team league. Every QB isn't going to develop into Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers, those guys are going to the HOF. To cut bait on a 31 year old (this is young in QB years) good QB in a ready made offense for a career backup or a rookie just makes no sense to me.

RG3, Luck, Kap, Wilson and Cam Newton are HUGE outliers. Most of the time you take a big step back starting over with a rookie QB.

Jay Cutler is not worth one if these 20 mil per contracts that every slightly competent qb is demanding these days. Once you out 20 mil cap on one player your whole team building strategy must change and idk if the bears should join the teams that have to deal with those burdens if they are winning without him. It's all dependent on the contract he wants.

[TracerBullet]

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Philly and Chicago both.

Which means depending on how the chips fall the rest of the season, Chicago OR Philly could be playing in back-to-back Sunday Night games (Both Packers @ Bears and Eagles @ Cowboys could be for their respective divisions.)

Gonna depend entirely on what the Lions do these next two weeks for the Bears to get that last SNF game. Lions lose either game before that and the Bears (and/or Packers) win both, there's almost no way that game isn't SNF. Granted they do favor the NFC East, but it basically would mean that Philly would have to find a way to lose to Minnesota this week.

Only AFC game that might get that spot is Cincy/Baltimore, but I doubt it. Detroit/Minnesota is also a small possibility as well if they hold on to their lead the current way it is.

[ImTellinTim]

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I wish the Lions would have just taken care of business so the Bears don't have to get embarrassed by the Eagles on national television. McCoy will be close to the single-game rushing record in that one.

[dsallupinyaarea]

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Jay Cutler is not worth one if these 20 mil per contracts that every slightly competent qb is demanding these days. Once you out 20 mil cap on one player your whole team building strategy must change and idk if the bears should join the teams that have to deal with those burdens if they are winning without him. It's all dependent on the contract he wants.

I don't think Cutler will get 20mil per. That changes the equation. I think 16mil per is fair market value for a good starting QB though.

Other than Matthew Stafford, what slightly competent QB is getting 20mil per?

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I'm amazed at how many people are willing to just give up on Jay Cutler. He's probably a top 12 QB in a 32 team league. Every QB isn't going to develop into Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers, those guys are going to the HOF. To cut bait on a 31 year old (this is young in QB years) good QB in a ready made offense for a career backup or a rookie just makes no sense to me.

RG3, Luck, Kap, Wilson and Cam Newton are HUGE outliers. Most of the time you take a big step back starting over with a rookie QB.

It's the "Backup Syndrome" that's prevalent in all sports.

Backup player replaces Starter while he's out, does enough just get by(which is what most backup QBs usually do)and then next thing you know, people are ready to give him the keys to the starting spot after a few games. Backup then gets the job and then everyone sees why they're the backup in the 1st place, lol.

I'm not saying there's nothing wrong with that strategy because it has worked a few times it's not a route that I'd recommend the Bears taking, especially when they play in the same division as the guy that has basically owned them throughout his career.

[TheShizNo1]

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What do you guys see in Cutler? I'm not seeing it. He's definitely a good quarterback, but I'm not sure he's #MillionsOfDollars better than McCown. When's the last time he stayed healthy for a full season? Serious question. He turns the ball over almost as much as he makes great plays.

If the coach is this awesome of a coach, why can't McCown keep this up until the young guy they draft is ready? McCown isn't doing this in a one to two game span, he's helping keep his team in a playoff hunt late in the season.

Again, I'm not saying they should dump him now and move on. I just don't see how it's not considered.

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[wwharton]

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What do you guys see in Cutler? I'm not seeing it. He's definitely a good quarterback, but I'm not sure he's #MillionsOfDollars better than McCown. When's the last time he stayed healthy for a full season? Serious question. He turns the ball over almost as much as he makes great plays.

If the coach is this awesome of a coach, why can't McCown keep this up until the young guy they draft is ready? McCown isn't doing this in a one to two game span, he's helping keep his team in a playoff hunt late in the season.

Again, I'm not saying they should dump him now and move on. I just don't see how it's not considered.

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I can tell you one thing, Brandon Marshall would NOT be happy if they let Cutler go.

[ubernoob]

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What do you guys see in Cutler? I'm not seeing it. He's definitely a good quarterback, but I'm not sure he's #MillionsOfDollars better than McCown. When's the last time he stayed healthy for a full season? Serious question. He turns the ball over almost as much as he makes great plays.

If the coach is this awesome of a coach, why can't McCown keep this up until the young guy they draft is ready? McCown isn't doing this in a one to two game span, he's helping keep his team in a playoff hunt late in the season.

Again, I'm not saying they should dump him now and move on. I just don't see how it's not considered.

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Let's not act like McCown is playing good defenses by any stretch of the mind.

• Redskins -27th in Pass defense, 18th in Rush defense, 32nd in Points Against (14/20, 204 1TD. 45-41 L)

• Lions - 25th in Pass defense, 6th in Rush defense, 18th in Points Against (6/9, 62 1TD. 21-19 L)

• Packers - 21st in Pass defense, 25th in Rush defense, 20th in Points Against (22-41, 272 2TD. 27-20 W)

• Ravens - 14th in Pass defense, 8th in Rush defense, 8th in Points Against (19/31, 216 1TD. 23-20 OT W)

• Rams - 22nd in Pass defense, 13th in Rush defense, 14th in Points Against (36/47, 352 2TD 1 INT. 42-21 L)

• Vikings - 30th in Pass defense, 22nd in Rush defense, 31st in Points Against (23/36, 355 2TD. 23-20 OT L)

• Cowboys - 32nd in Pass defense, 28th in Rush defense, 26th in Points Against (27/36, 348 4TD. 45-28 W)

Trestman runs a great system for him (quick drops with a good OL meaning he's getting very little pressure) and he has two WRs that make it even easier - but he's been feasting on terrible defenses.

[Feared]

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What do you guys see in Cutler? I'm not seeing it. He's definitely a good quarterback, but I'm not sure he's #MillionsOfDollars better than McCown. When's the last time he stayed healthy for a full season? Serious question. He turns the ball over almost as much as he makes great plays.

If the coach is this awesome of a coach, why can't McCown keep this up until the young guy they draft is ready? McCown isn't doing this in a one to two game span, he's helping keep his team in a playoff hunt late in the season.

Again, I'm not saying they should dump him now and move on. I just don't see how it's not considered.

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I hear what you're saying, it's tough to bench a guy when he's playing so well. (13-1 TD to Int ratio and completing at least 66% of his passes) However I think the way that the Bears staff feels is that with Jay Cutler they have the potential to be a better Offense.

That "P" word has followed Jay Cutler his whole career. He's always had the potential to be an Elite passer; strong build, great down the field arm but too many times he makes questionable decisions, his Footwork mechanics get wonky and you see him making throws off his back foot or from poor throwing platforms.

Either way I don't think McCown nor Cutler are leading the Bears to a Super Bowl this year, so they are going to have to make a decision for the future at the end of this season. If Cutler can keep his demands reasonable, and not demand an "Elite QB" salary I think he'll remain a Bear, if not it's very possible they could move on and have McCown be the stop gap while they groom someone else.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Put it like this, as a Packer Fan I'd love nothing more than for the Bears to go from Cutler to McCown.

What should be Priority #1 for them should be getting that Defense back to respectable levels like it used to be and until that gets corrected, it won't matter who's playing QB for them if the Defense is going to continue to get gashed everytime like it is right now.

And if you know Chicago's history when it comes to QBs, prior to Cutler it hasn't been pretty. And the one thing he's been able to provide there is stability at a position that they didn't have in the last 10-15 years.

[ubernoob]

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Put it like this, as a Packer Fan I'd love nothing more than for the Bears to go from Cutler to McCown.

What should be Priority #1 for them should be getting that Defense back to respectable levels like it used to be and until that gets corrected, it won't matter who's playing QB for them if the Defense is going to continue to get gashed everytime like it is right now.

I think all Packers, Lions and Vikings fans are hoping that the Bears move from Cutler to McCown.