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[JayhawkerStL]

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I think Microsoft is fine resource wise. That's my point. I highly doubt they are sacrificing the future in favor of BC. I agree with the rest of your post and their mindset moving forward shows they do too.

BC serves a function, and that is luring users of the previous platform to upgrade. I the case the XB1, it was also meant to lure 360 users that had moved over to the PS4 to consider coming back. The more 360 titles they have, the easier it is to make that transition.

And going to a generationless model, helps going forward. My take is that Microsoft is setting itself up to take advantage of Sony when they move to the PS5. With Scorpio out this year, they will be positioned to drop a new SKU that not only beats the PS5 specs, but comes in with a game library spanning back to the 360.

For me, I am glad that BC happened. I've played several titles. I'm sure my play time was less than 5% of my total play time, because I mostly play XB1 titles. But there are several that my wife and daughter are super happy about, including old Assasin's Creed games they are still finishing. My wife is a huge Da Blob fan, but we can't play the Wii version anymore. But I was able to get her Da Blob 2 for the 360 to play on the XB1.

It's a value. On the Wii, I probably played mostly Gamecube titles. The low % on the XB1 is mostly due to a pretty damn great game library.

As for resources, I'm pretty damn happy with the dash updates, Sonic Sound, Bluetooth added to controllers, Mixer, Clubs, and just so many improvements to the console. It's ridiculous to claim that the BC has hampered the console in any way. It just doesn't jive with reality.

But Daniel is a console warrior. He's the odd duck that doesn't care who wins, but every ****ing conversation has to be a comparison about who is winning, and how this affects mindshare. He's the one that wants a console comparison thread because he thinks it is so interesting. That got shut down because we all know that far from interesting, it is just an excuse to throw **** at each other.

Daniel just wants to provide the **** for others to fling.

[mestevo]

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Oh he cares who wins, he's stated explicitly that he hates Microsoft.

The thing about BC is that it's not just for the Xbox One like you said. The Xbox One and even the 360 effectively become the 'minimum requirements' so that if I were to make an indie game in 15 years that didn't need bleeding edge hardware it could work on two decades of consoles and windows devices.

That's a value proposition that I'm buying into and part of the larger picture bc begins to piece together.

Some of the anti-bc guys in the Sony thread will be hooking up 9-10 different consoles for the same experience at that point and still call that an optimal experience.

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[ricky24]

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I wish they would go back even further. Essentially at this point I'm keeping my 360 hooked up just so I can play tony hawk 3 occasionally.

[joet6683]

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Oh he cares who wins, he's stated explicitly that he hates Microsoft.

The thing about BC is that it's not just for the Xbox One like you said. The Xbox One and even the 360 effectively become the 'minimum requirements' so that if I were to make an indie game in 15 years that didn't need bleeding edge hardware it could work on two decades of consoles and windows devices.

That's a value proposition that I'm buying into and part of the larger picture bc begins to piece together.

Some of the anti-bc guys in the Sony thread will be hooking up 9-10 different consoles for the same experience at that point and still call that an optimal experience.

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I agree, I think it has to do with the non-console generation going forward. If there is a 10 year old game that I never played on Steam, I can purchase and play with my new PC. Sure the graphics will look that of an older game, but I still get to play the game without changing a thing.

For consoles...you need to either connect your old console that is boxed up somewhere, or try to find a used one online, not to mention a used copy of the game. But with this route console gamers can play older games they may not have experienced without needing to get all the old hardware. And because it is available on the most current device, it doesnt feel like a chore to play it.

I think adding the 360 games now is to show their dedication towards going this route (original xbox was mentioned as do-able my mike ybarra when they started 360 emulation, I wouldnt be surprised if they added that down the road.) It lets you see what they envision now rather than them saying they want to go that route then waiting 3-5 years or so before the next large hardware/generation leap to see it in practice.

[daniel77733]

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I don't hate Microsoft or Xbox One. I bought and owned an original Xbox twice. Bought Xbox 360 at least three times and it was my primary console. Also bought Xbox One twice and the Slim once which is what I currently own. If I hated them, why I would spend my money on the same console numerous times?

Console Wars are stupid when it's fanboys bashing one over the other. Like Microsoft fanboys bashing Horizon or Sony fanboys bashing Halo/Gears. When looking at it in regards to the different directions both companies are going in is what makes it interesting and fun to debate about. I'm an equal opportunity basher. If Sony does stupid crap, I say so and they have done their fair share. I even bash Ubisoft which is the only company of them all that I could ever be considered a fanboy of if you want to use that word to describe me when it comes to Ubisoft but yet, I'll still call them out or bash them for stupid crap.

As for Microsoft going forward without generations, I don't see how that's possible simply because at some point, they MUST upgrade the obsolete and outdated CPU (and Sony too) because if not, every current game will always be held back by the CPU.

Take Ghost Recon Wildlands for example. After killing an enemy, the body disappears within a minute or two because it's a CPU heavy game and the CPU's of both consoles can't handle it as well as everything else going on in the game. And this is me playing on PS4 Pro which has the same damn CPU as Xbox - a Jaguar which is obsolete and outdated.

Reason why I hate mid-gen consoles and the idea of staying within the same generation is for this very reason. Games, developers and publishers will be held back because of the old CPU.

To me, it's the CPU that I care about the most because it has to do with AI and a game's ability to be more realistic in terms of intelligence opposed to visuals which is what BOTH Sony and Microsoft are concentrating on despite majority of games STILL not being able to hit a locked 1080P/30FPS.

I know that it's not going to happen but yes, I want Microsoft to be more like Sony has been this gen in regards to owned studios, new IP's and games that are actually new and well, good or better.

Horizon blows away every single Xbox One exclusive. It's not even close and what makes Horizon even more impressive is that it came from the Killzone developer. You would never guess that if you didn't know that the game was from them. Sony has owned studios that either develop new IP's like Horizon, Days Gone and Sucker Punch's upcoming new IP as well as deals with studios for games like Detroit: Become Human and Spider Man. Add in a whole new direction and look for God of War and yeah, I don't see any gamer can't be interested in this lineup. At least one of them. Sony takes chances and risks on new IP's which are very expensive to develop and may not hit at all.

Microsoft not so much. They depend on buying games as timed exclusives which only backfires or uses that money on other entertainment areas which sorry, im not a fan of. It's not why im a gamer or buy new consoles. Even worse, they do timed exclusive deals and it ends up blowing up in their face and turns into a disaster money and consumer wise.

Perfect example.....PlayGround Games which is independent but contracted to develop a Forza Horizon game every other year is currently opening up a new studio with a second development team and they are working on a new open world IP. This is a studio that has already established and proven themselves and one that Microsoft should be pushing hard to either A) purchase outright and make them an owned studio or B) purchase the exclusive rights to that game.

Even if it's a game that I end up having zero interest in, I'll still be happy that they made an actual good deal or purchased a good studio as opposed to closing studios down which have done more than Sony but is worse for them because they don't have the amount of owned studios than Sony has and you can see it.

I'm hyped and pumped for every E3 conference this year but Microsoft's is by far the most important simply because they have more to prove. Not only by trying to get new gamers into their ecosystem but at the same time, keeping and making happy those they already have.

With Sony, I haven't been disappointed yet this gen when it comes to their first party exclusives. Microsoft has been underwhelming and they can't depend on Halo/Gears/Forza anymore. They need new IP's. They need good third party deals. Because it's what the majority truly want. Not a feature that once the novelty wares off, barely gets used.

But hey, if you guys are happy playing your Xbox 360 games on Xbox One, by all means, keep playing them. I'll be playing all the new IP Sony exclusives and State of Decay 2.

[daniel77733]

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Some of the anti-bc guys in the Sony thread will be hooking up 9-10 different consoles for the same experience at that point and still call that an optimal experience.

Responded to the majority of your post in my previous post but this caught my attention. Why would any anti-BC guy such as myself be hooking up 9 or 10 consoles for the same experience and still call it optimal? I don't get this. I have ONE PS4 PRO. That's it. PS3/PS2/PS1 are long gone, dead and buried to me. Once PS5 gets released and PS4 dies out, it will be dead and buried too. Point is that I'll still only own ONE console which yes, will most likely give me an optimal experience. Don't see where you're getting an outrageous 9 or 10 number.

[ricky24]

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as well as deals with studios for games like Spider Man.



Microsoft not so much. They depend on buying games as timed exclusives......

Just flat out wrong here. Microsoft literally used the exact same studio sony is using for spider man to develop a new IP. If you're gonna type paragraph after paragraph at least put some research in.

[daniel77733]

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Just flat out wrong here. Microsoft literally used the exact same studio sony is using for spider man to develop a new IP. If you're gonna type paragraph after paragraph at least put some research in.

Technically, they didn't. Insomniac was developing Sunset Overdrive initially for PS4 but Sony wanted to own the IP, Insomniac refused and that's when Microsoft stepped in to save the game and have it as an Xbox One exclusive. Good game but didn't sell and im sure that we can both agree that Spider Man will sell a lot more. Hell, I think the Ratchet and Clank remaster sold more than Sunset Overdrive. Sales are very important as they will make or break games, franchises and in some cases, studios.

[ricky24]

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Technically, they didn't. Insomniac was developing Sunset Overdrive initially for PS4 but Sony wanted to own the IP, Insomniac refused and that's when Microsoft stepped in to save the game and have it as an Xbox One exclusive. Good game but didn't sell and im sure that we can both agree that Spider Man will sell a lot more. Hell, I think the Ratchet and Clank remaster sold more than Sunset Overdrive. Sales are very important as they will make or break games, franchises and in some cases, studios.

Technically you're contradicting yourself. You just said this....

"Even if it's a game that I end up having zero interest in, I'll still be happy that they made an actual good deal or purchased a good studio...... "

And now you're sitting here finding reasons to disregard SO like 30 seconds later as it pertains to Microsoft purchasing it.

Of course Spider-Man will sell more but that's essentially because it's not a new IP at all. It's a Spider-Man game and people have been waiting for a decent one for a while.

[daniel77733]

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Technically you're contradicting yourself. You just said this....

"Even if it's a game that I end up having zero interest in, I'll still be happy that they made an actual good deal or purchased a good studio...... "

And now you're sitting here finding reasons to disregard SO like 30 seconds later as it pertains to Microsoft purchasing it.

Of course Spider-Man will sell more but that's essentially because it's not a new IP at all. It's a Spider-Man game and people have been waiting for a decent one for a while.

I am happy they made that deal just like im happy they made the Titanfall deal. I didn't say I wasn't happy and im not disregarding it but at the same time, it wasn't a deal that was done from scratch is what im saying. The game existed BEFORE Microsoft had anything to do with it. Good move by Microsoft to save it and good game that should have sold more than it did as Insomniac is a good developer/studio.

As for Spider Man, let's be honest, when was the last good one? Every one by Activision were nothing more than cash grabs based on the name. Insomniac is good and despite having no interest in Spider Man, even im looking forward to seeing the gameplay because of who the developer is.

[mestevo]

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Responded to the majority of your post in my previous post but this caught my attention. Why would any anti-BC guy such as myself be hooking up 9 or 10 consoles for the same experience and still call it optimal? I don't get this. I have ONE PS4 PRO. That's it. PS3/PS2/PS1 are long gone, dead and buried to me. Once PS5 gets released and PS4 dies out, it will be dead and buried too. Point is that I'll still only own ONE console which yes, will most likely give me an optimal experience. Don't see where you're getting an outrageous 9 or 10 number.

Because that was literally one response against BC in the Sony thread, they listed the consoles they still have in a closet and said they get them out whenever they want to play their games.

[tdawg3782]

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Well this discussion has turned funny. I for one enjoy the BC ability. It's great for my kids because u can get older, but still pretty cool, games and not have to drop $60 on them.

Also what does IP mean? I keep seeing it and have no idea what it means.

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[ODogg]

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Well this discussion has turned funny. I for one enjoy the BC ability. It's great for my kids because u can get older, but still pretty cool, games and not have to drop $60 on them.

Also what does IP mean? I keep seeing it and have no idea what it means.

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IP is like a game series, like Halo is a Microsoft IP (their Intellectual Property, meaning another company cannot make those games)...a newer IP from Sony would be Horizon Zero Dawn.

[daniel77733]

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Because that was literally one response against BC in the Sony thread, they listed the consoles they still have in a closet and said they get them out whenever they want to play their games.

Smallville??? LOL.

Also what does IP mean? I keep seeing it and have no idea what it means.

Intellectual Property. For example, Halo is a Microsoft IP meaning they own it.

[ExtremeGamer]

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I guess I don't get the argument about having more options. I like playing older games and hate having multiple systems hooked up. But I'm sure I'll come back later and have a 48 paragraph response why I'm wrong.


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