Fringe anyone?

[MassNole]

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Very weird episode 1, not understanding the agenda at all. Ollie is still as hot as ever. Nice action, and I wonder what part the cab driver plays through out.

Over it's a beginning, hopefully episode 2 will be more informative.

My guess is that he is a plant from our universe in the alt-verse.

[CMH]

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My guess is that he is a plant from our universe in the alt-verse.

Yea, same thing I was thinking. He is obviously going to be important in the storyline - especially with how they closed on him at the end of the episode.

What makes the most sense is him being from our universe. We shall see.

I thought this was a great season opener. Fringe is a great show to me. I love the idea of an alternate universe and Olivia now thinking she is the alternate version. There's a few ways they can take this now.

[jfsolo]

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They surprised me with this opener. I thought they would spend most of the time showing Alt-Liv trying to fit in with Peter and Walter in "our" universe. It never dawned on me that they would try and turn our Olivia into a clone of theirs.

Personally I would rather have every episode be about the big picture story arc now. The characters can still be developed through those episodes. I don't need to see any stand alone monster of the weeks episodes anymore, but I know that there will still be some of those though.

it seems that Anna Torv is going to get a chance to do the heavy lifting this season. She was somewhat relegated to a secondary role during the last half of last season.

For me, Fringe, Leverage, and Rubicon are my Holy Trinity of currently running shows.

[Burns11]

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Planted by whom, Massive Dynamic? For what purpose? And she just happened to have stumbled upon the one taxi that had a plant?

I think he's going to be the one to get Olivia to remember who she really is, but I think his motivation is a little more normal, he just felt a connection and believed Olivia and recognized something in her. I wonder if maybe he was an early test subject for the memory implants? Remember he said he was in a bad way and his wife recognized the man he really was on the inside? Or something to that effect. My original thought was that he was a drug addict or a criminal, but him sticking around and watching made me suspect something else.

[CMH]

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it seems that Anna Torv is going to get a chance to do the heavy lifting this season. She was somewhat relegated to a secondary role during the last half of last season.

It was a necessary move to put her in the front line again, I think. Torv definitely took a back seat to Jackson and his storyline, but we now see how the writers did it to set-up her story. Fringe is about Olivia so I'm happy it's back to where it's supposed to be and it makes the show that much better when it's focused on its hero.

and she just happened to have stumbled upon the one taxi that had a plant?

This is the one thing that is bad writing if any of our suspicions are true. Good luck is not a powerful storytelling tool. I imagine they exhausted all of their options and didn't know any other way to include this character.

Honestly, my solution would have been to not include him at all. What about the guy from the bowling alley? I was seriously expecting her to visit him. Then again, I guess that would have killed the Olivia turn arc.

Either way, there's always a better way than magic and good luck.

[Burns11]

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My theory about him being a test subject is just as bad, I guess, just happening upon a test subject.

I'm just not quite sure why he'd stick around. Maybe it's just a fringe division thing, there seems to be an Orwellian overtone to the alt-universe and maybe the Fringe Division over there does a lot of shady stuff to good people. It wouldn't be so coincidental if just about everybody knows someone who has been screwed over by a quasi-Gestapo Fringe Division. I could see someone in that sort of situation helping her by pulling the tracking device, sticking around after she released him and (presumably) trying to get her to remember.

[Burns11]

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Ok who didn't see Walter inheriting MD coming from a mile away?

Anyway, what's up with this device? I get the feeling it's really connected to the Observers.

[MassNole]

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I thought him and Nina would have split it 50/50 actually.

[CMH]

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I thought him and Nina would have split it 50/50 actually.

I thought so too. My biggest question after discovering that Walter got all of it (or the majority) is: What did Nina get?

I bet it matters at some point.

[jfsolo]

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Alt-Liv is ruthless, I hate her, and want her to die.-Translation: she's an excellent character and Anna Torv is bringing it. She made Newton seem like the more reasonable one in their cutthroat little duo.

[Burns11]

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They really need to decide one way that moving between the dimensions works and stick to it, this changing the way things work to fit the current episode is getting old.

[Bruins]

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They really need to decide one way that moving between the dimensions works and stick to it, this changing the way things work to fit the current episode is getting old.

Huh?

x10

[Burns11]

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Early on Olivia was flipping seamlessly between dimensions (Road Not Taken). Next episode we have Olivia taking an elevator to the other side (There's More Than One of Everything). The next episode we have Olivia coming back violently and also suffering from some sort of dimension travel sickness that Nina also suffered from. You have the guy from season 2 using the Walter device to create a dimensional gate, Walter and Peter using the same device and saying that the process had to be done over water to absorb a large energy release. You have Walternate coming through dimensions to get Peter and then taking him back without problems. You then have Olivia and Walter going through without incident because of Olivia's power combined with other cortexiphanians. Then you have Bell and Walter wedging a crack created by Olivia (that wasn't really created by Olivia because it was Alt-Olivia at the scene) and a supposed build up of energy from going back and forth necessitating Bell sacrificing himself to get Walter, Peter and Alt-Olivia back. Then you have the unseen dimension hopping by the shape shifters, etc. Now suddenly Walternate needs Olivia to "take the fight to the other side" despite himself going back and forth as well as sending all these shape shifters through?

To me, it seems we have half a dozen different mechanics by which the dimension travel works.

[CMH]

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Now suddenly Walternate needs Olivia to "take the fight to the other side" despite himself going back and forth as well as sending all these shape shifters through?

I missed the line but there's a reason why he needs Olivia. The struggle isn't jumping from dimension to dimension, it's that she can do it easily and without pain or something. He had an extra little comment in there when he explained why original Olivia was necessary. Think about how the shape shifters needed to be sent over in a cocoon of some sort. Walter also didn't just simply just through. He needed Newton to make it happen. Olivia, though jumping through several means, is more of a key to the door rather than a window they have to smash to get in to the house. He wants the key.

Also, I have a sneaking suspicion that he isn't telling the whole story.

[jfsolo]

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The title of this weeks episode was pure genius, and then followed up with an episode that lived up to the title's premise. Philip K. Dick would have been very proud.