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  • Graphik
    Pr*s*n*r#70460649
    • Oct 2002
    • 10582

    #151
    Re: IGN says PS3 might break you

    Originally posted by JohnnytheSkin
    Well ExtremeGamer, I wasn't referencing you...but I digress.

    My hope is that people could just evaluate every system on it's own merits and not resort to "defending their purchase" by insulting the other manufacturers. PS3 will still have Insomniac and Naughty Dog (and probably Jason Rubin's new games), along with Kojima and Metal Gear. Xbox has Bungie and a lot of exclusive stuff by Bioware, and Nintendo has themselves. I love the games across all three platforms and it seems that those who are fanboys are just jealous that they can't play the games on the other systems. To each his own, I just wish there wasn't so much venom. At least the cronyism here isn't as bad as other forums (cough, GameFAQ's, cough).

    Something else that dawned on me, which was a topic of discussion a ways back...the $60 cost of next-gen games. While I agree with the anger EA gets for offering fewer features for more bucks, am I the only one who really isn't bothered by the increase in game price? I remember my parents buying me "Final Fantasy III" and "Chrono Trigger" for SNES at $80 and being stunned that they would drop that kind of cash on my video games. Looking at bargain basement CD/DVD games of today compared to the ultra expensive cartridges (mind you that was ten years ago...imagine what those cartridge games would cost today), I have zero problem paying $50-60 for a next gen game.

    Kids these days...they just don't know how good they've got it.


    I just hate when fanboys rely on hearsay and swear that their system is or will be better. It was mentioned some time ago that the PS3 will be better graphic wise than the 360. I know 3 cats and throw that at me damn near everyday. I tell them that the diffrence will be slim but they insist that the PS3 will be this superior system that the 360 cant compete with. No matter what I tell them or how many articles I e-mail them, they rely on this information alone. Does'nt matter to me though, I plan on getting both but that because of the games, not the system specs or loyalty.

    As for the increase in the prices, I hated it then and I still hate it. There are to many games that come out that aren't nearly worth a full price. 60 bucks is alot of money to gamble with. If you buy a 60 dollar game and it turns out to be trash or to short, than you just got ripped off. I think the same way about 50 dollar titles. I loved last year because the price points of many titles were cheaper than they've ever been. So after a few months, you find it in a bargain bin or on sale for dirt cheap. And I'm talking about quality games here.

    There should be only few titles priced at the 50-60 dollar range and thats for highly anticipated titles. If a game is in its first iteration, it would benefit them more if they choosed a lower price point. This would allow "on the fence" buyers a better incentive at picking up the game. If you build up a fanbase, then those customers would'nt mind spending full price on the next version. And it would also pick up new customers due to word of mouth. My entire point is 60 bucks is just to much to gamble on a new game. I was just getting used to dropping 50.
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    • Pared
      Legen - WAIT FOR IT
      • Feb 2003
      • 39337

      #152
      Re: IGN says PS3 might break you

      Originally posted by FootballForever
      Thank You, at least someone feels the way I do. Blue-Ray is overrated.
      How is it overrated? Have you seen it yet...?
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      • Graphik
        Pr*s*n*r#70460649
        • Oct 2002
        • 10582

        #153
        Re: IGN says PS3 might break you

        Originally posted by sdrotar
        The first and second parts are absolutely true - but I expect the PS3 to be a huge success, regardless of price point.
        To many people, PlayStation is to video games as Kleenex is to facial tissue and Xerox is to photocopies.
        Is that fair - or even realistic? Of course not; but it is what it is. Sony knows that, and they're going to leverage it.

        Can Microsoft ever catch them? I don't know - but it will be at least 10-15 years, if ever. I'm not convinced that Microsoft is even trying to do that, to be honest. There's a lot of money to be made - even in second place.

        I know the Playstation is a hot commodity but it is'nt 500+ dollars hot. I'm still standing by my prediction that if it debuts at 500+, it wont be the #1 gaming console for long. How many kids will be able to get their parents to drop half a grand on a video game? Not as many as one would think. I dont care if its gods gift to gamers, 500 dollars seems like to much for casuals to bank on.
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        • Beantown
          #DoYourJob
          • Feb 2005
          • 31523

          #154
          Re: IGN says PS3 might break you

          Originally posted by Pared
          How is it overrated? Have you seen it yet...?
          That's his point.

          People are talknig it up like it's a God-send for movie-watchers yet no one has any idea what it's really gonig to be like.

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          • JohnnytheSkin
            All Star
            • Jul 2003
            • 5914

            #155
            Re: IGN says PS3 might break you

            Originally posted by Graphik
            I know the Playstation is a hot commodity but it is'nt 500+ dollars hot. I'm still standing by my prediction that if it debuts at 500+, it wont be the #1 gaming console for long. How many kids will be able to get their parents to drop half a grand on a video game? Not as many as one would think. I dont care if its gods gift to gamers, 500 dollars seems like to much for casuals to bank on.
            You mention one major misconception...that the majority of gamers are kids whose parents buy them the systems.

            With all the latent "hot coffee" talk and lawsuits, the one revelation that ALWAYS goes unreported is that the average gamer is now in his or her mid-twenties! Single males 18-24 comprise the largest videogame market, and thus have the disposable income to spend on systems and games. While some parents will no doubt spoil their kids, the large majority of money is made in videogames by adult consumers...not kids.

            Look at GTA or the 360 launch. Who was bought them immediately. Older teenagers and young adults. Out of 30 campers, I guarantee that over 2/3 were above age eighteen. When I camped for PS2 at age 19, I was one of the youngest in line. All the parents showed up at the store's opening.

            While casual gamers are a valid concern, I can't recall a single system that relied on "casual" gamers for the first year. Most "casual" gamers will wait a year until the first or second price drop. There will no doubt be a spike in 360 sales at PS3 launch because Microsoft will no doubt drop the console cost to steer folks away from the PS3...though it won't work, since most people buying a PS3 initially will already have a 360. I mean look at PS2 sales, still at the top in the U.S. five plus years after launch.
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            • ODogg
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              • Feb 2003
              • 37953

              #156
              Re: IGN says PS3 might break you

              I seriously doubt the PS3 will be over $500, if it is, then Sony is really stupid. Not even the Sony zealots I know who would never touch a 360 simply because it's MS would be willing to pay over $500 for a console system, even if it has a coffee maker and blue-ray toaster built in.. My prediction is it will be probably $449 or $499.

              And even though I make good money at my job and am a videogame nut, i'd find it hard pressed to pony up much more than $500. Not saying I wouldn't, but it'd sure make me seriously consider the PS3 instead of just automatically buying it like I plan to now.
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              • Lintyfresh85
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                • Jul 2002
                • 17492

                #157
                Re: IGN says PS3 might break you

                Originally posted by Longhorn6
                That's his point.

                People are talknig it up like it's a God-send for movie-watchers yet no one has any idea what it's really gonig to be like.

                That makes no sense... if he was being objective he wouldn't have an opinion on the issue either way.
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                • RoyalBoyle78
                  Aka."Footballforever"
                  • May 2003
                  • 23918

                  #158
                  Re: IGN says PS3 might break you

                  Originally posted by Superstar
                  That makes no sense... if he was being objective he wouldn't have an opinion on the issue either way.
                  Blue -Ray = more space on a DVD that no game company's will even be close to using. And better visuals, but I mean by how much.

                  Now is that somthing to really get all crazy for. I really don't think so.
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                  • Ice Cream Truck
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                    • Nov 2003
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                    #159
                    Re: IGN says PS3 might break you

                    Originally posted by FootballForever
                    Blue -Ray = more space on a DVD that no game company's will even be close to using. And better visuals, but I mean by how much.

                    Now is that somthing to really get all crazy for. I really don't think so.
                    What makes you think that? Because current gen discs aren't filled up? Aren't we talking about next-gen? Don't you expect more from next gen besides just visuals?

                    Some companies may not use this extra space since they will be porting the game from system to system, but first party games probably will
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                    • jmood88
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                      • Jul 2003
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                      #160
                      Re: IGN says PS3 might break you

                      Originally posted by Ice Cream Truck
                      What makes you think that? Because current gen discs aren't filled up? Aren't we talking about next-gen? Don't you expect more from next gen besides just visuals?

                      Some companies may not use this extra space since they will be porting the game from system to system, but first party games probably will
                      I want to know what the excess space will allow developers to do.
                      Originally posted by Blzer
                      Let me assure you that I am a huge proponent of size, and it greatly matters. Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise.

                      If I went any bigger, it would not have properly fit with my equipment, so I had to optimize. I'm okay with it, but I also know what I'm missing with those five inches. :)

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                      • RoyalBoyle78
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                        • May 2003
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                        #161
                        Re: IGN says PS3 might break you

                        Originally posted by jmood88
                        I want to know what the excess space will allow developers to do.
                        I think Nothing Mood, Game developers are not even close to making a game that big to on A Blue-Ray Disk. The just how it goes for now.
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                        • Pared
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                          #162
                          Re: IGN says PS3 might break you

                          Originally posted by FootballForever
                          Blue -Ray = more space on a DVD that no game company's will even be close to using. And better visuals, but I mean by how much.

                          Now is that somthing to really get all crazy for. I really don't think so.
                          That's exactly my point in asking though... why do you say that?

                          Just b/c that amount of space is available... well, if you're anywhere close to following the advances of technology in the industry, you'd realize that they are thinking ahead.

                          What's going to happen in 2 years when we're in full swing, and developers are putting insane amounts of data on a disc, and they are confined by the limitations of the DVD medium on the 360, and have limitless space on the PS3? What happens then? Should we all go buy this so called HD-drive that MS will be pushing? Only to have game developers not want to develop for it because it will limit their possible consumer base?

                          It's the same point as when people were pissed that a hard drive isn't standard with the 360... there are those that won't utilize it now b/c not all people who own a 360 have one. We could possibly get into a scenario where developers will have to compress their images and textures for some games b/c the DVD medium won't be adequate... thus making some cross platform games "better looking" on the PS3.

                          I'm sure some of you don't even think this is possible... and it shouldn't be an issue for about 2 years... but 2 years really isn't that long a time in the technology industry...

                          Moore's Law.
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                          • RoyalBoyle78
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                            • May 2003
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                            #163
                            Re: IGN says PS3 might break you

                            Originally posted by Pared
                            That's exactly my point in asking though... why do you say that?

                            Just b/c that amount of space is available... well, if you're anywhere close to following the advances of technology in the industry, you'd realize that they are thinking ahead.

                            What's going to happen in 2 years when we're in full swing, and developers are putting insane amounts of data on a disc, and they are confined by the limitations of the DVD medium on the 360, and have limitless space on the PS3? What happens then? Should we all go buy this so called HD-drive that MS will be pushing? Only to have game developers not want to develop for it because it will limit their possible consumer base?

                            It's the same point as when people were pissed that a hard drive isn't standard with the 360... there are those that won't utilize it now b/c not all people who own a 360 have one. We could possibly get into a scenario where developers will have to compress their images and textures for some games b/c the DVD medium won't be adequate... thus making some cross platform games "better looking" on the PS3.

                            I'm sure some of you don't even think this is possible... and it shouldn't be an issue for about 2 years... but 2 years really isn't that long a time in the technology industry...

                            Moore's Law.
                            I hear what your saying Pared, but I will believe it when I see it. sometime these console makerstalk a good talk, and somtimes thats all it is, Talk.

                            They also have stated that Standard DVD will be around for somtime and will not die out anytime soon, so thats why i say why make a game with all that space if the game company's are saying there is still much life left to keep making games on the standard DVD.
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                            • jjoe
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                              • Feb 2003
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                              #164
                              Re: IGN says PS3 might break you

                              Originally posted by FootballForever
                              I hear what your saying Pared, but I will believe it when I see it. sometime these console makerstalk a good talk, and somtimes thats all it is, Talk.

                              They also have stated that Standard DVD will be around for somtime and will not die out anytime soon, so thats why i say why make a game with all that space if the game company's are saying there is still much life left to keep making games on the standard DVD.
                              I agree. But even with that, Bill Gates has said in an interview that Microsoft has some surprises for Sony down the line. The 360 is built for expansion. If memory is an issue (and I doubt it will be) it is conceivable that future games could load on the HDD with a playing DVD like PC games. Moreover, Microsoft could have an external drive that plays the new medium if necessary. I don't believe Microsoft is going to let the PS3 blow it out of the water. I'm still torn which system will be better and only time will tell. But I do think the greater disc space is something that can be dealt with by the 360. Gates has repeatedly said the system is built for expandability.

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                              • Ice Cream Truck
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                                • Nov 2003
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                                #165
                                Re: IGN says PS3 might break you

                                Originally posted by jjoe
                                I agree. But even with that, Bill Gates has said in an interview that Microsoft has some surprises for Sony down the line. The 360 is built for expansion. If memory is an issue (and I doubt it will be) it is conceivable that future games could load on the HDD with a playing DVD like PC games. Moreover, Microsoft could have an external drive that plays the new medium if necessary. I don't believe Microsoft is going to let the PS3 blow it out of the water. I'm still torn which system will be better and only time will tell. But I do think the greater disc space is something that can be dealt with by the 360. Gates has repeatedly said the system is built for expandability.
                                They already made an external HD-DVD drive.
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