Anyone still getting loses after your opp quits?

[KyrieAbuser]

So mad I got to do diamond seed all over again due to this crap I legit might stop trying for Duncan.... this is such BS, like I'm legit running in this these people who doing this crap on purpose. They play around 1st quarter and just quit at the beginning of second quarter. Man **** THIS GAME, soooooooo frustrating because my record legit was close to perfect before this ****.

[Cowboyfan_19]

Quote: Originally Posted by kabamaru

PnR is one of the most fundamental basketball tactics. Is PnR cheese too? I think we have extended the definition of cheese to a super grand level.

1st off, it's CLEARLY been established that 2k's PnR cpu logic is not up to par to what it should be.

2nd, even when your defensive screen settings aren't being executed the way you have them set up to be, then that's a problem.

By definition, "cheese" is taking advantage of broken cpu mechanisms, and that's exactly what the PnR is in 2k17. I've never had to run a second of 5 out PnR to get to where I'm at, and that's something to be said.

What's next, is Shaq drop stepping on Olajuwon every possesion a tactic used to success every game in real life? Is in bounding the ball at full speed to score while the defender is asleep still celebrating a tactic used in real life every possesion?

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[anditbeg1ns]

Quote: Originally Posted by Cowboyfan_19

1st off, it's CLEARLY been established that 2k's PnR cpu logic is not up to par to what it should be. 2nd, even when your defensive screen settings aren't being executed the way you have them set up to be, then that's a problem. By definition, "cheese" is taking advantage of broken cpu mechanisms, and that's exactly what the PnR is in 2k17. I've never had to run a second of 5 out PnR to get to where I'm at, and that's something to be said. What's next, is Shaq drop stepping on Olajuwon every possesion a tactic used to success every game in real life? Is in bounding the ball at full speed to score while the defender is asleep still celebrating a tactic used in real life every possesion? Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Operation Sports mobile app

For me, the definition of cheese in this game is abusing certain aspects of the game to your advantage (i.e. running PnR every play, dropping steps or force post every play, spam feeding the paint, basically overusing any tactic), deploying tactics that are nearly unguardable (i.e. using Diamond Porzingis at PG), or deploying tactics that bears no resemblance to real life basketball (turbo up and down the court every play, using Yao and Shaq in the same LU, playing 5 out offense for an extended period of time).

I, too, was confused as to why you had played so many PnR "cheesers" in your original post. What makes them cheesers? Are they running PnR almost every single play? Are they running PnR in a 5 out setting? As kabamaru mentioned PnR is a basic play in real life and in this game, and it is pretty defendable in this game (obviously you can't shut it down 100% of the time) with several different tactics.

[justlaze]

Quote: Originally Posted by nikolas13

The seventh game I was up 8-2 in the first quarter and my opponent exited the app or disconnected his internet. Still got the W, but my heart rate was like crazy.

You only get the L if your opponent knows how to glitch you.
If he simply closes the app or quits the game you still get the W.
If he pulls the LAN, disc router or makes a connection test you definitely get the L, but probably only within the first half (I think landman confirmed this after talking to support).

By the way I started playing Pro AM and Park with a Stretch Big and haven't had so much fun since the beginning of MyTeam.
I was foolish sinking so much VC in this crap mode with all it's errors...easily could have maxed 4 characters to 86 OVR for my last pack purchase alone...instead I got 1 Amy (yes from 1 Mill) which sold for 30k.

If PD Jordan would be at the end of MTO I would go through this pain with the glitches...hence it's Timmy (and I already got decent PFs) I will easily skip this and only play MTO for fun - not for the grind.

If a game or mode isn't serious, you shouldn't take it serious either - it's bad for your health (nerves)

[Cowboyfan_19]

Quote: Originally Posted by anditbeg1ns

For me, the definition of cheese in this game is abusing certain aspects of the game to your advantage (i.e. running PnR every play, dropping steps or force post every play, spam feeding the paint, basically overusing any tactic), deploying tactics that are nearly unguardable (i.e. using Diamond Porzingis at PG), or deploying tactics that bears no resemblance to real life basketball (turbo up and down the court every play, using Yao and Shaq in the same LU, playing 5 out offense for an extended period of time). I, too, was confused as to why you had played so many PnR "cheesers" in your original post. What makes them cheesers? Are they running PnR almost every single play? Are they running PnR in a 5 out setting? As kabamaru mentioned PnR is a basic play in real life and in this game, and it is pretty defendable in this game (obviously you can't shut it down 100% of the time) with several different tactics.

Yup, every play that I was in Man defense. I shut them down temporarily when I'd switch to 2-3 or 3-2 zone, but his shooters (5 shooters on the court at all times) got me eventually, so I had to switch back to man.

It could be a lot worse if I was still stuck in diamond league, but thankfully I just need to win 4 of 7 to get Duncan, so I'm not as irate as I could be.

And yes, it's a tactic used in real life which I'm not going to argue, but it's not nearly as successful per possession like it is in the video game.

[anditbeg1ns]

Quote: Originally Posted by Cowboyfan_19

Yup, every play that I was in Man defense. I shut them down temporarily when I'd switch to 2-3 or 3-2 zone, but his shooters (5 shooters on the court at all times) got me eventually, so I had to switch back to man. It could be a lot worse if I was still stuck in diamond league, but thankfully I just need to win 4 of 7 to get Duncan, so I'm not as irate as I could be. And yes, it's a tactic used in real life which I'm not going to argue, but it's not nearly as successful per possession like it is in the video game.

I play those type of teams far too often these days I won't even call them cheesers anymore. Unfortunately I think 2K is partly at fault here for creating all these bigs with OP outside shooting. In real life, if Lebron runs tons of PnR with Kyrie, Korver, Love, and Frye, that would be a pretty deadly play offensively.

What I usually do in that case is bring a 3rd defender to help defend the PnR. But I don't bring over anyone who defends the corner, because corner 3's with corner specialist badges are just too OP, and most people running PnR would instinctively pass off to the corner for a 3. So I usually show help with the defender guarding the wing on the weak side to stop the roll. Obviously you have to be pretty crisp with your rotation anytime you're bringing help defenders, or else you're gonna get burned.

[Cowboyfan_19]

Quote: Originally Posted by anditbeg1ns

I play those type of teams far too often these days I won't even call them cheesers anymore. Unfortunately I think 2K is partly at fault here for creating all these bigs with OP outside shooting. In real life, if Lebron runs tons of PnR with Kyrie, Korver, Love, and Frye, that would be a pretty deadly play offensively. What I usually do in that case is bring a 3rd defender to help defend the PnR. But I don't bring over anyone who defends the corner, because corner 3's with corner specialist badges are just too OP, and most people running PnR would instinctively pass off to the corner for a 3. So I usually show help with the defender guarding the wing on the weak side to stop the roll. Obviously you have to be pretty crisp with your rotation anytime you're bringing help defenders, or else you're gonna get burned.

Hmm, maybe it was my undoing bringing help from the corner than the opposite wing. I'll try your method for sure. But the rotations will take practice for sure clicking RB & the icon quickly enough to manually rotate.

Thanks a lot man!

[kabamaru]

Quote: Originally Posted by Cowboyfan_19

1st off, it's CLEARLY been established that 2k's PnR cpu logic is not up to par to what it should be. 2nd, even when your defensive screen settings aren't being executed the way you have them set up to be, then that's a problem. By definition, "cheese" is taking advantage of broken cpu mechanisms, and that's exactly what the PnR is in 2k17. I've never had to run a second of 5 out PnR to get to where I'm at, and that's something to be said. What's next, is Shaq drop stepping on Olajuwon every possesion a tactic used to success every game in real life? Is in bounding the ball at full speed to score while the defender is asleep still celebrating a tactic used in real life every possesion? Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Operation Sports mobile app

There are PLENTY of mechanics that don't work in 2k as they should

Drop-stepping and dunking
5-out and shooting 3s with overpowered 3 pt Center shooters (Gosh I believe my opponents have scored more 3s than 2s with Cousins)
Inbound halfcourt turbo
That play with that double big-men roll/pop
Playing Porzingis in the perimeter
Deny all and camp in the paint with Yao
Big man to big man pass and standing dunk
Playing 5 centers as starting line-up and post spin

Out of all the above I would gladly play against a PNR player. PNR Cpu defense may be flawed in the game but there are mechanics that can counter that (even if they are unrealistic as no rotation and/or by playing zone)

Of all the above PNR is the most realistic offense used in 2k. At least it happens in real world too