Shohei Otani in The Show

[GoDucks1224]

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This guy has not even played 1 inning in the MLB and I am already sick of him.

That’s a bad attitude to have. He didn’t do anything wrong. You’re just tired of him being discussed.

[nemesis04]

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That’s a bad attitude to have. He didn’t do anything wrong. You’re just tired of him being discussed.

Do I have to to stand in the corner now?

[Bunselpower32]

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This guy has not even played 1 inning in the MLB and I am already sick of him.

The biggest shame is, from all accounts, he doesn't even care about all of the attention he gets. He just loves playing ball. I'm excited to watch the guy play especially because of his (seemingly) good attitude but you're not wrong, this ridiculous coverage of him is just getting to be too much.

[breakfastcat]

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Do I have to to stand in the corner now?

It would be for the best [emoji14]

[wellred]

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People are acting he's some huge investment for the Angels and will be protected like any other pitcher his age or big FA pitcher they signed. Look, they didn't spend a draft pick on this guy, he's not a home grown talent, and they're paying him peanuts to play for them. All they did with Otani is win the lottery. Sure there will be all reasonable effort to protect their guy as they would with any player, but the usual formalities in coddling a valuable pitcher of his caliber won't necessarily apply, because they have a fraction of the resources invested in him that they otherwise would if his services were obtained conventionally. If the Angels don't give him a good faith opportunity to hit and honor the agreement, not only are they alienating Otani and squandering a potential talent, they're sending a bad PR message to other international prospects and FA's in the future.

TLDR Conventional rules don't apply to Otani. He will get an honest chance to be a hitter. If he hits he's not coming out of the lineup.

[Caulfield]

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This guy has not even played 1 inning in the MLB and I am already sick of him.

Normally I wouldnt pull against someone, hoping they fail. Well, outside Roger Clemens. But if Shoehi is immediately successful, then its gonna be a looong summer.

[GoDucks1224]

Shohei Otani in The Show

Normally I wouldnt pull against someone, hoping they fail. Well, outside Roger Clemens. But if Shoehi is immediately successful, then its gonna be a looong summer.

I hope he wins a freaking Cy Young as a rookie just because of all these haters. [emoji16]

[gamer052001]

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Normally I wouldnt pull against someone, hoping they fail. Well, outside Roger Clemens. But if Shoehi is immediately successful, then its gonna be a looong summer.

If he is immediately successful it will be a long summer of bringing in fans that might not otherwise be interested. Guys like Fernando Valenzuela and Ichiro in baseball, and Yao Ming in basketball always bring new fans. Something that stuffy, old baseball needs desperately.

[douggoud]

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If he is immediately successful it will be a long summer of bringing in fans that might not otherwise be interested. Guys like Fernando Valenzuela and Ichiro in baseball, and Yao Ming in basketball always bring new fans. Something that stuffy, old baseball needs desperately.

This. I don't see why people WOULDNT want him to do what he's trying to do. Call it being a realist, saying he won't be able to do it, I call it being boring. This is an exciting prospect. Someone doing pitching and hitting is exciting to think about. Sure, he may not be able to do it, or do both well, but you know what, I'm excited to see it.

[Caulfield]

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People are acting he's some huge investment for the Angels and will be protected like any other pitcher his age or big FA pitcher they signed. All they did with Otani is win the lottery. Sure there will be all reasonable effort to protect their guy as they would with any player, but the usual formalities in coddling a valuable pitcher of his caliber won't necessarily apply, because they have a fraction of the resources invested in him that they otherwise would if his services were obtained conventionally.

TLDR Conventional rules don't apply to Otani.

23 million dollars seems like a big investment, even if its Japan andnot Ohtani getting the bulk of the payday.

[breakfastcat]

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23 million dollars seems like a big investment, even if its Japan andnot Ohtani getting the bulk of the payday.

Not when you consider that if he would have waited 2 years, he would have easily gotten over $100 million. And that would have been at age 25, not 23.

[wellred]

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23 million dollars seems like a big investment, even if its Japan andnot Ohtani getting the bulk of the payday.

Even if you figure in the posting fee as part of his "salary" he's making less than MLB average. Still not a big investment.


Obviously that's relative, but we all know the reasons why top pitching prospects and big money FA pitchers get the kid gloves treatment, it either means you gave up a bunch of prospects, a top draft choice, or big money. Otani is effectively both the top prospect and a big name free agent, and the Angels gave up none of those things to get him. Giving him 4 million a year over 6 years but still applying that same logic to him doesn't really make a lot of sense.


Not to mention, how many AB's a week do you think he's gonna get? I'd say 12-16 AB's per week seems reasonable, I doubt the plan is for him to be an every day position player or DH. So it's not like it represents this crazy unsustainable risk that's complete madlad by giving him 8-10 more AB's per week than a Madison Bumgarner gets. People are acting like those extra AB's for an AL pitcher is the baseball equivalent of showering with a toaster. Just lol.

[a bit outside]

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I’m sure they will let him hit.....they just traded CJ Cron to the Rays for a peanut butter sandwich and a player to be named later.

[Caulfield]

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I’m sure they will let him hit.....they just traded CJ Cron to the Rays for a peanut butter sandwich and a player to be named later.

mmm peanut butter

The Angles have to at least pretend to let him DH for a while because that is how they lured him to Anaheim ... If the Angles let Otani hit enough for him to decide on his own that he can’t do both, then they’ll have kept up their end of the bargain and might have a shot at signing him to a long extension after the 2019 season. He clearly cares about other things besides money. If they can give those things to him, they need to try!

Now this is what I believe the Angels are really ultimately up to.

[wellred]

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The Angles have to at least pretend to let him DH for a while because that is how they lured him to Anaheim.

How do you suggest they're going to pretend to let him DH?

"No no no guy, you got it all wrong, DH stands for 'Doesn't Hit'"?

"The lineup card? Oh, Pujlos is how you spell オタニ in English."