Shohei Otani in The Show

[EnigmaNemesis]

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They have the rights to the MLB licence. They could fill the entire game with fictional players. They don't fall under the guidelines. There is a different agreement with the MILB. This agreement however does not include anything beyond the team names and "uniforms"/logos. No likenesses. That gives them the ability to use any likeness or person to fill out the rosters. If this was not the case you would not be able to play more than one year in any given sport game as no fictional players would be allowed to be put in the game beyond those in the players associations.

Believe me when I say that the guys behind this game are not doing anything "shady" when it comes to likenesses and licensing with this game. There is simply no room for that in the agreement I am sure. They face very hefty penalties and fines or loss of licence for any violation. They payed and continue to pay heavily for the rights and agreements that allow them to make this game and I almost certain some form of profits on a yearly basis. Sony San Diego has to jump thru a lot, A LOT, of hoops to put out this game for us. People may not realize just how much money and time is involved in this part of the game and is probably one of the reasons we do not see any competition in the market right now.

When I was there they explained to me the process they have to go through with approvals from MLB/MLBPA. It may have improved a little bit, but the process is enough to bang your head against the wall. Sometimes they are stuck waiting on a response to incorporate something, and it is missing the build deadlines to add to the game. It is not a part of the job I would envy at all. I would tackle it, but not envious of it, lol.

These dev are as passionate as they come. They want it all in, but timeframes and handicaps through approval processes are a delicate and a lot of times, a stressful balance.

[PVarck31]

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So this might muddy the waters a bit, but Ohtani is now in two baseball card products. Topps Heritage, which has the MLB and MLBPA license, and Panini Donruss which only has the MLBPA license. Yet he is still not on the Angels 40 man roster.

So it appears companies can use him having the MLBA license. But there could be something different with video games as opposed to sports cards.

[Bullit]

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So this might muddy the waters a bit, but Ohtani is now in two baseball card products. Topps Heritage, which has the MLB and MLBPA license, and Panini Donruss which only has the MLBPA license. Yet he is still not on the Angels 40 man roster.

So it appears companies can use him having the MLBA license. But there could be something different with video games as opposed to sports cards.

They are two separate licencing deals. If you take a quick look at my early post it goes into a little more depth. Also I believe the nature.if his contract puts him on the 40 man, if im.not mistaken. It may not be publicly recorded with the team yet. But I can be pretty confident saying he is. But I have obviously not read his contract yet.

But yes the card companies have a way different deal then the game publishers do. That's why they can use past or historical players, legends etc I am also fairly certain they do not have to negotiate separately either for those rights. While Sony would.

For example: Babe Ruth was almost certainly negotiated with his foundation and not MLB OR the MLBPA.

[PVarck31]

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They are two separate licencing deals. If you take a quick look at my early post it goes into a little more depth. Also I believe the nature.if his contract puts him on the 40 man, if im.not mistaken. It may not be publicly recorded with the team yet. But I can be pretty confident saying he is. But I have obviously not read his contract yet.

But yes the card companies have a way different deal then the game publishers do. That's why they can use past or historical players, legends etc I am also fairly certain they do not have to negotiate separately either for those rights. While Sony would.

For example: Babe Ruth was almost certainly negotiated with his foundation and not MLB OR the MLBPA.

Yeah, with the legends and stuff I know they have to negotiate with them or their estates with both games and cards.

I'm sure specific licensed products are all different.

I just wasn't sure how the 40 man thing played into it when it comes to different products.

[EnigmaNemesis]

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Considering that this game has virtual Topps cards, Sony may have been covered under that licensing, or they too have a separate deal in place.

Also, as marketing becomes the juggernaut that it is, the nature of these contracts are seemingly evolving with it.

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[ninertravel]

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I think 2way players will be easier to implement than a lot of people think. Theres just been no real reason for SDS to do it until now. I'm still to this day surprised they ever spent time working on left-handed shortstops second & third basemen. But I'm glad they did. Now I long for the day I can accurately play Mike Squires at catcher


This is just not true. You can look back at each years Show and find a hanful of players who had zero MLB experience but were on the default roster. I realise most of those guys had spent time on the big league 40 man the previous September but still. Also there is the fact that SDS puts in their real employees in the game. So there is no MLB rule that says you have to appear in the majors to be in a video game. You just need to have done the necessary paperwork with SDS clearing the way.

Why do
People keep thinking players have been on default roster before they have never bat a at bat ?? You just condricted yourself by saying September, of course September call ups count trout was in mlb 12 because he had some at bats in September. It also has to do with having done that the PREVIOUS year, hence why tim lincecom will Not be in the game.

Show me evidence and proof of someone being on the default roster that never had a at bat or innings pitched it’s never happened

[Caulfield]

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Why doPeople keep thinking players have been on default roster before they have never bat a at bat ?? You just condricted yourself by saying September, of course September call ups count trout was in mlb 12 because he had some at bats in September. It also has to do with having done that the PREVIOUS year, hence why tim lincecom will Not be in the game.



Show me evidence and proof of someone being on the default roster that never had a at bat or innings pitched it’s never happened

Show 17
Jarlin Garcia Marlins
Shawn Zarraga Reds
Ronnier Mustelier Braves




Show 16
Eddia Gamboa Rays




Show 15
Tim Berry Orioles
Frank de los Santos White Sox


Each had a few days service time from the previous year but did not appear in any games.
There are plenty more examples but at this point it would just be overkill.

[Bullit]

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Why do
People keep thinking players have been on default roster before they have never bat a at bat ?? You just condricted yourself by saying September, of course September call ups count trout was in mlb 12 because he had some at bats in September. It also has to do with having done that the PREVIOUS year, hence why tim lincecom will Not be in the game.

Show me evidence and proof of someone being on the default roster that never had a at bat or innings pitched it’s never happened

Show 17
Jarlin Garcia Marlins
Shawn Zarraga Reds
Ronnier Mustelier Braves




Show 16
Eddia Gamboa Rays




Show 15
Tim Berry Orioles
Frank de los Santos White Sox


Each had a few days service time from the previous year but did not appear in any games.
There are plenty more examples but at this point it would just be overkill.

See all threads of this topic for the past 10 years and several posts in this thread. They only have to be in the MLBPA/40 man roster to be in the game. Sony can use as many fictional players that they want.

[kehlis]

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See all threads of this topic for the past 10 years and several posts in this thread. They only have to be in the MLBPA/40 man roster to be in the game. Sony can use as many fictional players that they want.

He doesn't even need to do that. He's asked for these names several times in this thread and has been given these names several times.

It's getting to the point where he is pretty much just trolling.

Every times he's been given examples of this happening previously, he pretends to not see it and ignores them all together, disappears for a day or two, and then comes back as if nothing happened.

He won't respond to that above post by Caufield who I'm almost certain provided those same names to him previously.

[ninertravel]

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Ok but they had service time, so that counts.. Othani has ZERO service time.
So I should have said it better as in being on the 40 man roster but at the same time you have to have been activated on the 25 man roster.

And Mods should know better the accusing me of trolling talk about double standards.

I guess if Otahani ends up not being on the default roster I am still a troll hey?

so let me word it differently give me a player that has had ZERO service time that has been on the default roster day one (and sorry if this is suppose to be TROLLING)

[kehlis]

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I guess if Otahani ends up not being on the default roster I am still a troll hey?

Actually doesn't matter at this point. You've asked for examples of players who didn't fit your definition who have been in the game previously and have been provided with that list of several players.

At this point, regardless of the outcome, you've failed to make any argument beyond your own speculation which is pretty much trolling with the way you've positioned it.

On release day, you will either be right or wrong, but that doesn't change any posts you've made up to this point.

If he were to not be in the game upon release I would very much expect many users to come into this thread and admit they were wrong.

Will you admit you were wrong however if he is in the default roster?

[ninertravel]

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Yes I will admit I will be wrong and I would be very happy to be wrong too.

Maybe I am not wording my questions right with all this because it seems I am not on the same page as others and I am sorry if it seemed as though I was trolling because I honestly am not. or maybe I have a lack of understanding or something.

all I was trying to do was have an example of say a international player with No service time being straight into the game, for eg Tanaka Davish Meada, or someone like Acuna or Torres this year.

in the example I gave about Mike Trout being in MLB 2012 because he was called up in September. I Understand perfectly about what was said about players with service time on the 40 man being in the game. Otahni is not even on the 40 man yet.

I appolagise I worded it incorrectly about having to have an at bat or innings pitched. it's about 'service time' and having service time the previously year (which is why Tim Lincecom won't be in the game)

Anyway I hope otahni will be in the game, I and I will say as soon as I get the news that I am wrong when it gets confirmed that is a promise.

[kehlis]

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Yes I will admit I will be wrong and I would be very happy to be wrong too.

Maybe I am not wording my questions right with all this because it seems I am not on the same page as others and I am sorry if it seemed as though I was trolling because I honestly am not. or maybe I have a lack of understanding or something.

all I was trying to do was have an example of say a international player with No service time being straight into the game, for eg Tanaka Davish Meada, or someone like Acuna or Torres this year.

in the example I gave about Mike Trout being in MLB 2012 because he was called up in September. I Understand perfectly about what was said about players with service time on the 40 man being in the game. Otahni is not even on the 40 man yet.

I appolagise I worded it incorrectly about having to have an at bat or innings pitched. it's about 'service time' and having service time the previously year (which is why Tim Lincecom won't be in the game)

Anyway I hope otahni will be in the game, I and I will say as soon as I get the news that I am wrong when it gets confirmed that is a promise.

You've never once been wrong with your argument.

You went wrong by proclaiming to be right with no questions asked and refusing to listen to others despite very solid arguments against your point.

You've come off as trying too hard to being right rather than getting to the right objective.

[Padgoi]

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Sorry to beat a dead horse, but has any news been released about whether ohtani will be able to be played as a two way player or just a pitcher with increased hitting abilities?

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[ninertravel]

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Sorry to beat a dead horse, but has any news been released about whether ohtani will be able to be played as a two way player or just a pitcher with increased hitting abilities?

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Zero news,

We don't even have it confirmed yet if he is even in the game, just a few retro mode screen shots and a batting stance with his name in it.