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  • Yankees247
    Rookie
    • May 2017
    • 186

    #826
    Re: MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

    Originally posted by Kahler77
    I was wondering if the values I got on a few tigers was right?

    I got -50 Mil for J.Zimmerman and -106 for M.Cabrera

    Was also wondering if a team wanted Fulmer and was willing to take on Cabrera's contract assuming I did the math right would only have to give Det a package worth 58 Mil?
    Also wondering if this would be realistic at all I just imagine with the state of the Tigers they would do almost anything to move Cabrera at this point.
    So with Cabrera it depends on how you calculate WAR. What I mean by that is if you subtract .5 WAR per season from him going forward because of his age then he would actually be -172 surplus.

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    • beekay415
      Into the Wild
      • Jun 2005
      • 860

      #827
      Re: MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

      Originally posted by Bard
      Sign off on this one. Good deal here. Weird to see the Rockies dealing off Rodgers though.

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      Thanks, I know it’s a little weird but that’s why I packaged both bour and realmuto. Want to send them together and I felt the Rockies could use both. Do you see any other fits for them together?


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      • Bard
        YouTube: NHBard
        • Oct 2010
        • 7803

        #828
        Re: MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

        Originally posted by beekay415
        Thanks, I know it’s a little weird but that’s why I packaged both bour and realmuto. Want to send them together and I felt the Rockies could use both. Do you see any other fits for them together?


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        Bour and Realmuto?

        The Yankees. Sanchez to DH, Bird in the deal.

        Rockies deal.

        Orioles, Davis to DH and Mancini to LF full time.

        Mets would definitely try their best, but I doubt they have enough for division tax.


        Other than that every time has a solid 1B, C or both...

        I would honestly probably stick with the Rockies deal unless you want to load up the Yankees even more.

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        • Kahler77
          Rookie
          • May 2015
          • 145

          #829
          Re: MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

          Originally posted by Yankees247
          So with Cabrera it depends on how you calculate WAR. What I mean by that is if you subtract .5 WAR per season from him going forward because of his age then he would actually be -172 surplus.
          No I hadnt done that. So assume there is no way the Tigers trade both and accept next to nothing in return for Fulmer then even to offload Cabrera then?

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          • Bard
            YouTube: NHBard
            • Oct 2010
            • 7803

            #830
            Re: MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

            Originally posted by Kahler77
            No I hadnt done that. So assume there is no way the Tigers trade both and accept next to nothing in return for Fulmer then even to offload Cabrera then?
            They would be VERY stupid and incompetent to do so.

            Keep Miggy, he is a Hall of Famer. Trade Fulmer solo so you can get a hell of a package for him.

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            • beekay415
              Into the Wild
              • Jun 2005
              • 860

              #831
              Re: MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

              Originally posted by Bard
              Bour and Realmuto?

              The Yankees. Sanchez to DH, Bird in the deal.

              Rockies deal.

              Orioles, Davis to DH and Mancini to LF full time.

              Mets would definitely try their best, but I doubt they have enough for division tax.


              Other than that every time has a solid 1B, C or both...

              I would honestly probably stick with the Rockies deal unless you want to load up the Yankees even more.

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              Yeah I’ll pass on the Yankees haha only team that you didn’t mention that I was thinking was LAA . But thanks for your inputs man


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              • PGHFan412
                Rookie
                • Apr 2018
                • 5

                #832
                Re: MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

                Looking to acquire Manny Machado to play SS for my Pirates. Would Shane Baz, Steven Jennings & Kevin Newman cut it? If that's not enough, would replacing Jennings with Ke'Bryan Hayes work?

                Thanks

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                • jdiaz891
                  Rookie
                  • Mar 2013
                  • 148

                  #833
                  Re: MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

                  Im playing with the Mets and need help finding out the value for

                  Brandon Nimmo
                  Gavin Cecchini
                  T.J. Rivera
                  Dominic Smith
                  Seth Lugo

                  Thinking about making a move for a every day 1st baseman and catcher around the deadline.

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                  • Hardworker33
                    Rookie
                    • Jun 2013
                    • 128

                    #834
                    Re: MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

                    Hi Guys,

                    Could someone point out the formula to calculate the value!? I tried looking in many pages without seeing it. I'm not sure I understand the Odor's example in post #1.

                    Thank you,

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                    • NateNY
                      Rookie
                      • Aug 2010
                      • 33

                      #835
                      Re: MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

                      Originally posted by Hardworker33
                      Hi Guys,

                      Could someone point out the formula to calculate the value!? I tried looking in many pages without seeing it. I'm not sure I understand the Odor's example in post #1.

                      Thank you,
                      I’m using what bard said on page 5. I think the price of 1 WAR we are using is 9. And for WAR, we are using the average from the past 3 seasons. Can someone else confirm this or am I making a mistake somewhere.

                      Contracted years × WAR × price of 1 WAR - contracted salary = surplus value

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                      • NateNY
                        Rookie
                        • Aug 2010
                        • 33

                        #836
                        Re: MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

                        Also how do you find the value of prospects not in the top 100?

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                        • MrSerendipity
                          MVP
                          • Jun 2013
                          • 1397

                          #837
                          Re: MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

                          Originally posted by Hardworker33
                          Hi Guys,

                          Could someone point out the formula to calculate the value!? I tried looking in many pages without seeing it. I'm not sure I understand the Odor's example in post #1.

                          Thank you,
                          Sure, I keep meaning to add it to the log. You're going to have to find the WAR for the player. We use Baseball Reference as they tend to have the most realistic WAR assessments. We will use Robinson Chirinos of the Texas Rangers for this example.

                          Link: https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...hiriro01.shtml

                          DISTINGUISHING AVERAGE WAR

                          For Position Players, we're going to scroll down to Player Value Batting. You can see that below but keep reading. We need to identify the player's WAR for the past three years. We use a 6 x 3 x 1 method of determining a fair value for the player. Thus we're going to take the 2017 WAR and multiply it by 6. Then we will find the 2016 WAR and multiply it by 3. The 2015 WAR is simply the remaining 10% so there is no need to multiply it. See below.



                          Okay now we have our WARS. We're going to discern our average WAR for Chirinos now.

                          2017 WAR: 2.7 x 6 = 16.2
                          2016 WAR: 0.9 x 3 = 2.7
                          2015 WAR: 1.8 x 1 = 1.8

                          Add: 16.2+2.7+1.8= 20.7
                          Now keep in mind, we were using percentages of each season to create our basis so now we need to divide by 10 (6+3+1). That brings Chirinos to a 2.1 WAR (rounding up from 2.07).

                          PINPOINTING TOTAL VALUE

                          Now we're going to create our total value from that WAR number. We've decided among ourselves, using Professional opinions, that the average worth for 1 WAR is 9 Million. So we're going to multiply Chirinos' WAR by 9 and then by the amount of years remaining on his contract. To do that, we're going to scroll down near the bottom where it says Salaries. See below.



                          Okay, now we know how many years Chirinos has remaining in his contract and how much he will be paid for those years. Lets do our math.

                          2.1(Player WAR) x 9 (WAR Worth) x 2 (Contracted Years Remaining) = 37.8M Total Value

                          There we see that Chirinos is worth a total value of 37.8M. But now we have to identify what his surplus value is.

                          FINALIZING SURPLUS VALUE

                          Surplus is identified using this method:

                          Total Value - Remaining Salary = Surplus Value

                          Using the image above, we can see that Chirinos has approximately $4.63M owed to him in his current contract. We can do our final piece of math now.

                          37.8 (Total Value) - 4.63 (Remaining Salary) = 33.17M Surplus

                          We will go ahead and round that fourth digit up or down. As it is a 7, we'll round up to a final 33.2M Surplus.

                          Let me know if you have any questions around that. I've tried going step-by-step to make it clear but I could have missed something.
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                          • bravesfan1984
                            MVP
                            • Mar 2008
                            • 2808

                            #838
                            Re: MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

                            Originally posted by MrSerendipity
                            Sure, I keep meaning to add it to the log. You're going to have to find the WAR for the player. We use Baseball Reference as they tend to have the most realistic WAR assessments. We will use Robinson Chirinos of the Texas Rangers for this example.

                            Link: https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...hiriro01.shtml

                            DISTINGUISHING AVERAGE WAR

                            For Position Players, we're going to scroll down to Player Value Batting. You can see that below but keep reading. We need to identify the player's WAR for the past three years. We use a 6 x 3 x 1 method of determining a fair value for the player. Thus we're going to take the 2017 WAR and multiply it by 6. Then we will find the 2016 WAR and multiply it by 3. The 2015 WAR is simply the remaining 10% so there is no need to multiply it. See below.



                            Okay now we have our WARS. We're going to discern our average WAR for Chirinos now.

                            2017 WAR: 2.7 x 6 = 16.2
                            2016 WAR: 0.9 x 3 = 2.7
                            2015 WAR: 1.8 x 1 = 1.8

                            Add: 16.2+2.7+1.8= 20.7
                            Now keep in mind, we were using percentages of each season to create our basis so now we need to divide by 10 (6+3+1). That brings Chirinos to a 2.1 WAR (rounding up from 2.07).

                            PINPOINTING TOTAL VALUE

                            Now we're going to create our total value from that WAR number. We've decided among ourselves, using Professional opinions, that the average worth for 1 WAR is 9 Million. So we're going to multiply Chirinos' WAR by 9 and then by the amount of years remaining on his contract. To do that, we're going to scroll down near the bottom where it says Salaries. See below.



                            Okay, now we know how many years Chirinos has remaining in his contract and how much he will be paid for those years. Lets do our math.

                            2.1(Player WAR) x 9 (WAR Worth) x 2 (Contracted Years Remaining) = 37.8M Total Value

                            There we see that Chirinos is worth a total value of 37.8M. But now we have to identify what his surplus value is.

                            FINALIZING SURPLUS VALUE

                            Surplus is identified using this method:

                            Total Value - Remaining Salary = Surplus Value

                            Using the image above, we can see that Chirinos has approximately $4.63M owed to him in his current contract. We can do our final piece of math now.

                            37.8 (Total Value) - 4.63 (Remaining Salary) = 33.17M Surplus

                            We will go ahead and round that fourth digit up or down. As it is a 7, we'll round up to a final 33.2M Surplus.

                            Let me know if you have any questions around that. I've tried going step-by-step to make it clear but I could have missed something.
                            Thanks for this! Can this be added to the OP?

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                            • Hardworker33
                              Rookie
                              • Jun 2013
                              • 128

                              #839
                              Re: MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

                              Originally posted by MrSerendipity
                              Sure, I keep meaning to add it to the log. You're going to have to find the WAR for the player. We use Baseball Reference as they tend to have the most realistic WAR assessments. We will use Robinson Chirinos of the Texas Rangers for this example.

                              Link: https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...hiriro01.shtml

                              DISTINGUISHING AVERAGE WAR

                              For Position Players, we're going to scroll down to Player Value Batting. You can see that below but keep reading. We need to identify the player's WAR for the past three years. We use a 6 x 3 x 1 method of determining a fair value for the player. Thus we're going to take the 2017 WAR and multiply it by 6. Then we will find the 2016 WAR and multiply it by 3. The 2015 WAR is simply the remaining 10% so there is no need to multiply it. See below.



                              Okay now we have our WARS. We're going to discern our average WAR for Chirinos now.

                              2017 WAR: 2.7 x 6 = 16.2
                              2016 WAR: 0.9 x 3 = 2.7
                              2015 WAR: 1.8 x 1 = 1.8

                              Add: 16.2+2.7+1.8= 20.7
                              Now keep in mind, we were using percentages of each season to create our basis so now we need to divide by 10 (6+3+1). That brings Chirinos to a 2.1 WAR (rounding up from 2.07).

                              PINPOINTING TOTAL VALUE

                              Now we're going to create our total value from that WAR number. We've decided among ourselves, using Professional opinions, that the average worth for 1 WAR is 9 Million. So we're going to multiply Chirinos' WAR by 9 and then by the amount of years remaining on his contract. To do that, we're going to scroll down near the bottom where it says Salaries. See below.



                              Okay, now we know how many years Chirinos has remaining in his contract and how much he will be paid for those years. Lets do our math.

                              2.1(Player WAR) x 9 (WAR Worth) x 2 (Contracted Years Remaining) = 37.8M Total Value

                              There we see that Chirinos is worth a total value of 37.8M. But now we have to identify what his surplus value is.

                              FINALIZING SURPLUS VALUE

                              Surplus is identified using this method:

                              Total Value - Remaining Salary = Surplus Value

                              Using the image above, we can see that Chirinos has approximately $4.63M owed to him in his current contract. We can do our final piece of math now.

                              37.8 (Total Value) - 4.63 (Remaining Salary) = 33.17M Surplus

                              We will go ahead and round that fourth digit up or down. As it is a 7, we'll round up to a final 33.2M Surplus.

                              Let me know if you have any questions around that. I've tried going step-by-step to make it clear but I could have missed something.
                              Wow, thanks a lot!

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                              • themoneyteam1212
                                Pro
                                • Aug 2014
                                • 526

                                #840
                                Re: MLB 18 The Show Trade Discussion

                                What would it take to get archer to the Giants. Using osm rosters

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