MLB 12 The Show Pitch Repertoires Corrections Thread

[Cavicchi]

Re: MLB 12 The Show Pitch Repertoires Corrections Thread

It clearly shows it hitting 95.

http://www.fangraphs.com/pitchfxo.as...ion=P&pitch=FA

Same site but different graphs on Velocity, so which one is to be believed and why?

[NatsFan95]

Re: MLB 12 The Show Pitch Repertoires Corrections Thread

as long as his velocity is up i dont mind, he doesnt throw 89 like it says on the game, its ridiculous, he threw a 92mph pitch in the all star game, so they should take notice.

how are these changes implemented, is it and update or a roster?

[Carolinasimo]

Re: MLB 12 The Show Pitch Repertoires Corrections Thread

Hey guys thanks for the hard work On this. My question is are these being released as an scea update or in a different roster? Also any eta on completion?

[dkrause1971]

Re: MLB 12 The Show Pitch Repertoires Corrections Thread

Red Sox- Daisuke Matzusaka
Remove Curve
Add 2FB 92 MPH
Cutter from 87 to 89 MPH
http://brooksbaseball.net/player_car...?player=462985

Red Sox- Franklin Morales
Remove 2 FB
Curve 71 to 74 MPH
Change from 79 to 82 MPH
http://brooksbaseball.net/player_car...?player=493137

Red Sox- Andrew Bailey
remove 2FB, remove Change
switch slider to cutter- 89 MPH. great movement.
http://brooksbaseball.net/player_car...?player=457732

Diamondbacks- Bryan Shaw
add cutter, add curve
4FB from 96 to 94 MPH, slider from 88 to 82 MPH, 2 FB 96 to 91.8 MPH
http://brooksbaseball.net/player_car...?player=543766

[motivation03]

Re: MLB 12 The Show Pitch Repertoires Corrections Thread

I just got this game yesterday and I'm dumbfounded on how Lincecum and Halladay do Not throw a Split-Change, but rather a regular change up. The split change is the best pitch they both throw in real life, Lincecum makes batters look silly with it sometimes. I'm knew to the game, does anyone know if it's in the game at all?

[BobSacamano]

Re: MLB 12 The Show Pitch Repertoires Corrections Thread

Seattle - Kevin Millwood

In the game he consistently hits 94-95 on his fastball. He hasn't done that in a very, very long time. Last two years he's averaged about 89 on his fastball.

http://www.fangraphs.com/pitchfx.asp...106&position=P

[seanjeezy]

Re: MLB 12 The Show Pitch Repertoires Corrections Thread

OK so I finally finished documenting every pitch of every pitcher who pitched last year, using Brooks Baseball as my source...

These are edits based off of last year, with a few 2012 edits for pitchers who had substantial 2012 data available, added or subtracted a pitch, or are in the process of converting from reliever to starter or vice versa

Here is the spreadsheet I created, it's in alphabetical order, but you can sort it by team name, etc.

A quick primer:

How did you come up with each pitch selection? I went through every pitcher on the list and cross-checked their repertoire using my own personal methods with Brook's classifications. I take into account speed, spin deflection, RPM, charts, and scouting reports.

Why do most players' sliders have a low movement rating? What I found through in-game testing is that regardless of a pitch having a "0" movement rating, the pitch still moves. Most players' sliders move an average of 5 inches or less (most less), and high movement ratings for sliders should be reserved for guys with slow sweeping sliders. Also, movement is much more organic this year, with the pitcher's arm slot playing a significant role in determining movement direction.

Why is every pitch faster than what is listed in gameday, fangraphs, texas leaguers, etc. ? Brooks Baseball calculates speed 55ft from home plate instead of 60ft to take in account the average major leaguer's release point. Feel free to lower mph 1-2 ticks for fastballs and 1 mph for offspeed.


What about individual pitch command ratings? I have no idea how to come up with these ratings, its more complicated than strike% , I would just use SCEA's control ratings, since most edits are just to give proper movement to a pitch; if a pitch was added to a pitcher's repertoire, it was probably a 4th or 5th pitch that was not used very often, so give that pitch below average command to prevent overuse, since selection is tied to confidence which is tied to command of said pitch.

I'm not sure how or if these will be incorporated into the game, but if need be, I might consider updating the OSFM with these edits, unless MAVS wants to do it instead lol

[MBMavs20]

Re: MLB 12 The Show Pitch Repertoires Corrections Thread

Wow, that's some great work seanjeezy.

I finished my spreadsheet as well and emailed it to dkrause1971 and he said he would post it for me.

I mostly used texasleaguer for my edits and I see you used brooksbaseball so the community can get the best of both worlds.

It would be cool if our edits help out the developers as well.

[seanjeezy]

Re: MLB 12 The Show Pitch Repertoires Corrections Thread

Wow, that's some great work seanjeezy.

I finished my spreadsheet as well and emailed it to dkrause1971 and he said he would post it for me.

I mostly used texasleaguer for my edits and I see you used brooksbaseball so the community can get the best of both worlds.

It would be cool if our edits help out the developers as well.

Agreed, I just saw yours as well, I think we put way too much effort into these things . I could've taken the easy route and copy/pasted straight from fangraphs or something since you can just download a spreadsheet from their site with only pitch f/x data, but hey, where's the fun in that?

[Jason_19]

Re: MLB 12 The Show Pitch Repertoires Corrections Thread

Thank you for this.

since you can just download a spreadsheet from their site with only pitch f/x data, but hey, where's the fun in that?

Do you have a link to this? I looked on their site and ran an internet search, but I couldn't find anything.

[BJays1984]

Re: MLB 12 The Show Pitch Repertoires Corrections Thread

OK so I finally finished documenting every pitch of every pitcher who pitched last year, using Brooks Baseball as my source...

These are edits based off of last year, with a few 2012 edits for pitchers who had substantial 2012 data available, added or subtracted a pitch, or are in the process of converting from reliever to starter or vice versa

Here is the spreadsheet I created, it's in alphabetical order, but you can sort it by team name, etc.

A quick primer:

How did you come up with each pitch selection? I went through every pitcher on the list and cross-checked their repertoire using my own personal methods with Brook's classifications. I take into account speed, spin deflection, RPM, charts, and scouting reports.

Why do most players' sliders have a low movement rating? What I found through in-game testing is that regardless of a pitch having a "0" movement rating, the pitch still moves. Most players' sliders move an average of 5 inches or less (most less), and high movement ratings for sliders should be reserved for guys with slow sweeping sliders. Also, movement is much more organic this year, with the pitcher's arm slot playing a significant role in determining movement direction.

Why is every pitch faster than what is listed in gameday, fangraphs, texas leaguers, etc. ? Brooks Baseball calculates speed 55ft from home plate instead of 60ft to take in account the average major leaguer's release point. Feel free to lower mph 1-2 ticks for fastballs and 1 mph for offspeed.


What about individual pitch command ratings? I have no idea how to come up with these ratings, its more complicated than strike% , I would just use SCEA's control ratings, since most edits are just to give proper movement to a pitch; if a pitch was added to a pitcher's repertoire, it was probably a 4th or 5th pitch that was not used very often, so give that pitch below average command to prevent overuse, since selection is tied to confidence which is tied to command of said pitch.

I'm not sure how or if these will be incorporated into the game, but if need be, I might consider updating the OSFM with these edits, unless MAVS wants to do it instead lol

Great job on these! I did the same for the Blue Jays and that took me forever. I can't even imagine how long this took. It's much appreciated. One quick question, will these changes be made via a roster update to the OSFM set or is this just general info for individuals looking to make their own edits?

[seanjeezy]

Re: MLB 12 The Show Pitch Repertoires Corrections Thread

Thank you for this.



Do you have a link to this? I looked on their site and ran an internet search, but I couldn't find anything.

Here's the f/x data I pulled from Fangraphs,

If you want to pull your own data, go to the 2011 pitching leaders and set your parameters (IP, year, etc.)

There should be a clickable link that says export data right above the page number, export charts for selection%, velocity, H-movement, V-movement, etc. - you can then combine them into 1 spreadsheet in excel

Keep in mind these are gameday classifications, and its damn hard to interpret the data unless you know exactly how much a ball with no spin drops because of gravity lol

[seanjeezy]

Re: MLB 12 The Show Pitch Repertoires Corrections Thread

Great job on these! I did the same for the Blue Jays and that took me forever. I can't even imagine how long this took. It's much appreciated. One quick question, will these changes be made via a roster update to the OSFM set or is this just general info for individuals looking to make their own edits?

Not a clue, I think the original purpose of this thread was for SCEA to incorporate edits into an official roster update. Mavs also made a pitch edits spreadsheet, but I don't think he will personally incorporate it into the OSFM.

Speaking from last year's experience, unless no one else volunteers, I'd rather not be the one to incorporate the data into the OSFM because I spent literally the entire year tweaking data and pitch types (new data kept on coming out) and I didn't even get to play franchise mode with my final roster since '12 had already come out by the time I was finished.

I think my point is that I would take way too long and probably piss off a lot of people lol, I'm surprised I finished these in two weeks, I think I originally said I would finish in 1 day

[AUTiger1]

Re: MLB 12 The Show Pitch Repertoires Corrections Thread

OK so I finally finished documenting every pitch of every pitcher who pitched last year, using Brooks Baseball as my source...

These are edits based off of last year, with a few 2012 edits for pitchers who had substantial 2012 data available, added or subtracted a pitch, or are in the process of converting from reliever to starter or vice versa

Here is the spreadsheet I created, it's in alphabetical order, but you can sort it by team name, etc.

A quick primer:

How did you come up with each pitch selection? I went through every pitcher on the list and cross-checked their repertoire using my own personal methods with Brook's classifications. I take into account speed, spin deflection, RPM, charts, and scouting reports.

Why do most players' sliders have a low movement rating? What I found through in-game testing is that regardless of a pitch having a "0" movement rating, the pitch still moves. Most players' sliders move an average of 5 inches or less (most less), and high movement ratings for sliders should be reserved for guys with slow sweeping sliders. Also, movement is much more organic this year, with the pitcher's arm slot playing a significant role in determining movement direction.

Why is every pitch faster than what is listed in gameday, fangraphs, texas leaguers, etc. ? Brooks Baseball calculates speed 55ft from home plate instead of 60ft to take in account the average major leaguer's release point. Feel free to lower mph 1-2 ticks for fastballs and 1 mph for offspeed.


What about individual pitch command ratings? I have no idea how to come up with these ratings, its more complicated than strike% , I would just use SCEA's control ratings, since most edits are just to give proper movement to a pitch; if a pitch was added to a pitcher's repertoire, it was probably a 4th or 5th pitch that was not used very often, so give that pitch below average command to prevent overuse, since selection is tied to confidence which is tied to command of said pitch.

I'm not sure how or if these will be incorporated into the game, but if need be, I might consider updating the OSFM with these edits, unless MAVS wants to do it instead lol

Great job! Thanks! So glad you gave Minor a curveball since that is his primary breaking pitch. Can't believe SCEA didn't give him a curve. I mean I know according to the stats he threw slightly more sliders last season than curveballs but in 2010 he didn't even throw a slider. It was all curveball.

[Cavicchi]

Re: MLB 12 The Show Pitch Repertoires Corrections Thread

Not a clue, I think the original purpose of this thread was for SCEA to incorporate edits into an official roster update. Mavs also made a pitch edits spreadsheet, but I don't think he will personally incorporate it into the OSFM.

Speaking from last year's experience, unless no one else volunteers, I'd rather not be the one to incorporate the data into the OSFM because I spent literally the entire year tweaking data and pitch types (new data kept on coming out) and I didn't even get to play franchise mode with my final roster since '12 had already come out by the time I was finished.

I think my point is that I would take way too long and probably piss off a lot of people lol, I'm surprised I finished these in two weeks, I think I originally said I would finish in 1 day

One can easily see you did a whole lot of work on this, figuring out pitch movement, etc. I find it very interesting that Brooksbaseball calculates speed differently than fangraphs or texasleaguers, very interesting indeed.

The one thing I would have preferred you do is lump them by teams instead of first name. But, I still love what you did, and still appreciate what you did. Man, that was lots of work and doing it so fast is amazing. Look what you did in two weeks and SCEA...

Well, thank you very much for the time and effort you put into giving us such a gem