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[AC]

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funny. (grr)

I dunno, I'm less hesitant to label a top draft talent part of the team's core. Then again, I'm just defining core as potential future talent.

[Blzer]

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Just now finished watching last night's Giants game. I couldn't watch it last night with work and the Warriors game, and I had no idea of the result of the game.

That being said, I must re-iterate this... no-hitters are so overrated. I'm happy for the kid, especially as a Giants fan, but this is not in the same league as a perfect game.

[Chip Douglass]

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Just now finished watching last night's Giants game. I couldn't watch it last night with work and the Warriors game, and I had no idea of the result of the game.

That being said, I must re-iterate this... no-hitters are so overrated. I'm happy for the kid, especially as a Giants fan, but this is not in the same league as a perfect game.

No-hitters can be overrated, but I'm not sure this is an example of one.

Heston struck out 11 guys (a couple of those were generous since Posey is a great pitch framer) and walked none. Two balls left the infield the entire game. And he didn't need any remarkable defensive plays on the balls put on the ground since he was inducing a bunch of weak ground balls.

[AC]

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He also suppressed average exit velocity to somewhere around 85 MPH. Although that's probably 20% his doing, 80% the hitter's (so not insignificant but not nothing). That's likely why he didn't need any spectacular defensive plays.

Chip, you should look at SwStr%! It's a repeatable skill and one of the most productive things pitchers can do. Heston had 11 SwStr on 110 pitches, good for 10%. Very good number.

[Blzer]

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No-hitters can be overrated, but I'm not sure this is an example of one.

Heston struck out 11 guys (a couple of those were generous since Posey is a great pitch framer) and walked none. Two balls left the infield the entire game. And he didn't need any remarkable defensive plays on the balls put on the ground.

Oh, his performance was undoubtedly dominant (he got some help from Drake behind the plate as well). But I would say a performance where one player got a hit and he walked/hit none would have been more dominant.

My only point regarding it is the media is quick to put no-hitters and perfect games in the same sentence quite often, and the no-hitter allows for a lot of wiggle room for both the pitcher and defense to not have to be perfect.

Tim Flannery put it perfectly in the post-game wrap for the Giants station. He said something along the lines of: "Any time he hit a player, it would make the hitters think twice about the inside corner, so the outside was more open for him." That doesn't sound like something you get to have while pitching a perfect game.

I know I've brought up scenarios before, but basically when throwing a no-hitter all you have to do is not allow hits, so you'll pitch hitters backwards, throw inside, and nibble corners if you want. If you walk someone, who cares? No hitter is still intact. Same thing for the defense. If a ball is hit right at them, there is no pressure because if they miss it, it is an error and not a hit. Heck, he hit his first batter in the ninth inning. It was very reminiscent of his very first pitch in his MLB debut when he dotted a player, because his adrenaline was up. Didn't affect his no-hitter, but that would have taken away his perfect game.

Perfect games are quite a feat, and really it's a team feat (unless a pitcher strikes out 20+). Let's say the outfield robs 27 home runs in a game for a perfect game... who should get the credit there?

Anyway, it's all stingy. Hats off to Heston and all, but I just hope he keeps it up more than not.

[AC]

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Perfect games are quite a feat, and really it's a team feat (unless a pitcher strikes out 20+). Let's say the outfield robs 27 home runs in a game for a perfect game... who should get the credit there?

This is one of the primary philosophies of analytics in baseball, haha.

[Speedy]

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He also suppressed average exit velocity to somewhere around 85 MPH. Although that's probably 20% his doing, 80% the hitter's (so not insignificant but not nothing). That's likely why he didn't need any spectacular defensive plays.

Chip, you should look at SwStr%! It's a repeatable skill and one of the most productive things pitchers can do. Heston had 11 SwStr on 110 pitches, good for 10%. Very good number.

...not following the first paragraph?

[Blzer]

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...not following the first paragraph?

He's saying the average speed of the ball off bat from Mets hitters was 85 MPH (attributing some of it to Heston's movement, and "most of it" to the hitters just not swinging well or whatever). Slower hits equal easier made plays.

[AC]

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Yup, exactly, thanks Blzer.

Great performance no matter how you look at it, honestly.

[Majingir]

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Jays seem to be going after Papelbon again....

So they're going after a guy who'll only be there for all of 3-4 months and will likely be giving up prospects to get him? The Jays are in no position at all to be doing that.

[SPTO]

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Jays seem to be going after Papelbon again....

So they're going after a guy who'll only be there for all of 3-4 months and will likely be giving up prospects to get him? The Jays are in no position at all to be doing that.

There's a vesting option that carries over to next year. He could very well still be in a Jays uniform come 2016 if he's traded.

[redsox4evur]

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There's a vesting option that carries over to next year. He could very well still be in a Jays uniform come 2016 if he's traded.

Yea and there is a very good that his option will vest this season. He needs to finish 55 games this season or 100 between 14 and 15. Last year he finished 52 games. And this year he is already at 22. For a total of 74. He only needs to finish 26 more games this season for that option to vest.

[Majingir]

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It's the Jays you're talking about...he's bound to get injured, everyone does.

[Majingir]

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Doubt it'll work since Royals are running away, but anything to get a non Royals player in the game! Non Royals fans should just ban together. Whoever is 2nd at every position should be voted in by all the fans of every other team.

Funny thing that was suggested which makes me wonder...what if there's people in KC who do create many diff emails just so they can vote all day long. Nothing is impossible anymore based on things you hear people do all the time, wouldn't be surprised at all if theres one or more people who've created like 100+ emails and just spends all day voting. lol,is it against rules to pay people to vote? Imagine if someones getting paid $15 an hour or something just to sit at their computer all day long,voting from hundreds of diff emails.

[fatleg3]

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Correa over Buxton might actually have been a very good pick, depending on Buxton's medical situation at the time. As well, Correa allowed them to grab McCullers.

Appel over Bryant was egregious and indefensible, though.

Cool story......I hit a HR off Mccullers my senior year. He was just a freshman though....

I think the Tucker you bolded is Preston Tucker. His little brother got drafted by the Astros, and AC does mention the "other Tucker".

Preston Tucker on the other hand hit moonshots everytime we played Plant HS which was a lot because we were in the same district as them.