2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

[redsrule]

Re: 2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

Why don't you just bow out of this thread for the year. Nobody gives a damn about your pathetic #FirePrice stuff. If they are healthy next year and still playing like **** then you can bring out your torch and pitchfork.

[HustlinOwl]

Re: 2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

So are you saying you dont feel injuries affect Wins/Losses? Granted I believe good teams are able to overcome injuries, but I think this yr shows were not a good team. We basically need to stay healthy to be contenders, which is something we have been fortunate with until this yr.

I dont disagree that Price made some mistakes, as well as our 3rd base coach making quite a few mistakes. I have even been down on Walt although I dont blame him for not doing much this year, I think the FO as well a ownership seen this season was doomed so they didnt bother to try an improve it.

It wouldnt have mattered who the manager was or who the coaching staff was this season, when you dont have depth and get hit with injuries your not going to contend. Thats strickly on Walt cause he gives the manager the players to play with, and all you have to do is look in the minors and see all the scrubs Walt signs like the likes of Jeff Francis, Matt Maloney, etc. Of course a few players that have some experience in the minors is good, but Louisville was full of never has beens, never will be's.

Walt's not done all bad though, he has made a few moves that have help in his time here, like bringin in Scott Rolen when he did to help mentor some of the young guys. He also added Ludwick which help big time in 12, he just shouldnt have given him the contract he gave him after that season. He also picked Simon up off the scrap heap and he has been a pleasant surprise during his time out of the pen, and then stepping in as a starter this yr. So its not all been bad.
Although the core of this team has Wayne Krisky's prints on it and not really Walt, but Walt has did some good things.

Dont get me wrong if Walt is let go at seasons end I wont be disappointed to much, depending on who became GM that is. I always have had a feeling Eric Davis might be being mentored to be the GM, and as much as I like Eric Davis, not sure I want him as GM but maybe he proves me wrong if he gets it which would be great if he did.

guess the apologists can spin it however they wish, but the Reds record in one run games "I" put 50-60% squarely on the manager as he is not putting players in positions to succeed and continuously throwing Hoover out there after all that s.... he was talking in the off-season and again the apologists ate it up about holding players accountable which he has not done at all this year. Flip that one run W-L record and they are once again in the playoff hunt, instead #FirePrice

[HustlinOwl]

Re: 2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

Why don't you just bow out of this thread for the year. Nobody gives a damn about your pathetic #FirePrice stuff. If they are healthy next year and still playing like **** then you can bring out your torch and pitchfork.

forum and as a Red fan I have a right to voice my displeasure with the team, manager and management.. dont like it add me to your ignore dont see me flaming yall with excuse after excuse telling you to get loss etc

[CaseIH]

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guess the apologists can spin it however they wish, but the Reds record in one run games "I" put 50-60% squarely on the manager as he is not putting players in positions to succeed and continuously throwing Hoover out there after all that s.... he was talking in the off-season and again the apologists ate it up about holding players accountable which he has not done at all this year. Flip that one run W-L record and they are once again in the playoff hunt, instead #FirePrice

Yes those 1 run games are hard to take for fans and Im sure especially to a manager,GM and Owner of the team.

I will agree some of those 1 run games you can blame on inexperience of a manager, and the definitely on our 3rdbase coach. However most of those 1 run games has to do with excellent starting pitching, and if we didnt have such a inept offense and poor bullpen we would have won more of those games. I dont think anyone can blame the manager soley for those games.

Hoover and Ondrusek continuely being ran out there annoyed me along with Mez should have been catching more games, which really is what upset me about Price. He said he didnt believ in personal catchers, but yet Cueto bsically had a personal catcher.

Im not upholding or apoligizing for Price cause he did some things that upset me, but Dusty did a lot of things that made me scratch my head over the years as a manager. I think Price will learn from his mistakes and be better for it in the future.

Main people to blame are 1st and foremost the Players and I believ Walt deserves some too. Plenty of blame to go around and I will agree manager and coaching staff get some as well, but it dont just doesnt fall on their shoulders alone.

Like Sparky Anderson said Great players make Great managers, and we dont have great players, if we did we would have atleast won a playoff series by now with htis core group of players.

[jasontoddwhitt]

Re: 2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread



What's the point of MLB having replay if they still can't get calls right?

Umpires on the field missed the call...umpires in the dungeon at the MLB offices missed it as well.

And how bad is the Reds offense? Joey Votto leads the team in walks............I'll let that simmer for a bit.

[HustlinOwl]

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Yes those 1 run games are hard to take for fans and Im sure especially to a manager,GM and Owner of the team.

I will agree some of those 1 run games you can blame on inexperience of a manager, and the definitely on our 3rdbase coach. However most of those 1 run games has to do with excellent starting pitching, and if we didnt have such a inept offense and poor bullpen we would have won more of those games. I dont think anyone can blame the manager soley for those games.

Hoover and Ondrusek continuely being ran out there annoyed me along with Mez should have been catching more games, which really is what upset me about Price. He said he didnt believ in personal catchers, but yet Cueto bsically had a personal catcher.

Im not upholding or apoligizing for Price cause he did some things that upset me, but Dusty did a lot of things that made me scratch my head over the years as a manager. I think Price will learn from his mistakes and be better for it in the future.

Main people to blame are 1st and foremost the Players and I believ Walt deserves some too. Plenty of blame to go around and I will agree manager and coaching staff get some as well, but it dont just doesnt fall on their shoulders alone.

Like Sparky Anderson said Great players make Great managers, and we dont have great players, if we did we would have atleast won a playoff series by now with htis core group of players.

funny those same players (Bruce) had career years under Baker and Jacoby and again Ive never once stated 1 run losses are solely on Price, but a good 50-60% I place on him and at this point my prediction of this team back to irrelevency is looking more like it

[jasontoddwhitt]

Re: 2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

As for Hoover....the issue is the ENTIRE bullpen seriously regressed this year save for Chapman and Broxton. And Broxton could almost be considered smoke n mirrors, as his peripheral stats did not support his sub 2.00 ERA (hence having a FIP of 3.52).

Games entered in High Leverage Situation
1. Broxton - 29
2. Chapman - 25
3. Parra - 24
4. LeCure - 21
5. Ondrusek - 13
6. Diaz - 12
7. Hoover - 12

So it's not like Price is continually running Hoover out there with the game on the line. My only complaint as far as bullpen usage is using Chapman as the traditional closer when he said he would pitch Chapman more. We have one of the most dominant arms in MLB (17.6 K/9), and he has only thrown 48 innings this year.

There is no manager in the history of baseball who could've turned this team into a contender. That includes John McGraw, Connie Mack, Joe Torre, Bobby Cox, Tony LaRussa, Earl Weaver, or Sparky Anderson. No manager can overcome an offense that has three players with an OPS+ north of 100 (and one of those players only played 62 games).

There is hope....bounce back years from Votto and Bruce (meaning both are 100% and not trying to play on one leg), with continued progression from Mesoraco, Frazier, and Hamilton could see this offense rise from being putrid. And a starting pitcher traded for a legitimate right handed power bat in LF could instantly turn this team into a contender.

[CaseIH]

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funny those same players (Bruce) had career years under Baker and Jacoby and again Ive never once stated 1 run losses are solely on Price, but a good 50-60% I place on him and at this point my prediction of this team back to irrelevency is looking more like it

Bruce hasnt been 100% all year. Mez and Frazier both have did well this yr under the hitting coach, so I dont think anyone is to blame for Bruce playing poorly, unless you want to blame Bruce himself.

I suppose they could have not let Bruce played, or Bruce could have set on the DL with Votto all yr, but atleast he tried, so I respect that. Im sure know one is moer disappointed than Bruce in his yr he has had, as Im sure its embarrassing to be that bad.

If this team goes back in the dumps it will be because of Votto's contract and not getting any production out of him, not becaue of incompetent manager or coaching staff.


There is probably only a handful of games you could lay at the feet of Price because of inexperience if that. 1 thing that has stayed constant is starting pitching, and thats all because of Price. Under Price we have had some of the best pitching in the history of the Reds.

Obviously Price being a former pitcher he isnt going to be teaching hitting, which was our biggest flaw this year, just like Dusty wasnt going to teach pitching caue he knew nothing about it. Yet this team was still challenged offensively with a former offensive player as manager, and in those years we stayed healthy for the most part.

Not wanting to make this about Price and Dusty, cause I felt for the most part Dusty was a solid manager, and I think Price can be a solid manager as well in time.

Bottom linbe is this team has been weak offensively over the past few years, but we stayed healthy enough with the key players offensively to get timely hits and our pitching always kept us in games. This yera we didnt stay healthy and while our starting ptiching kept us in most games the offense couldnt manage to get any timely hits.

Offensively we had 2 players that gave us any type of consistency and that was Frazier and Mez, and Mez was on the DL twice and didnt play as much as he probably could have, which that I do blame Price for.

When you have 2 players doing all the damage offensively and 1 of them didnt get near the at bats as the other one did, then your not going to be very successful.

I dont know of any team with only 2 competent hitters and only 1 of them getting everyday at bats as a team that has success. Seems to me if there is anyone outside of the players that are mostly to blame it would be the GM, not the manager. Manager has to play the hand he is dealt and when you only have 2 players giving you any type of run production it isnt going to end well.

[HustlinOwl]

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Bruce hasnt been 100% all year. Mez and Frazier both have did well this yr under the hitting coach, so I dont think anyone is to blame for Bruce playing poorly, unless you want to blame Bruce himself.

I suppose they could have not let Bruce played, or Bruce could have set on the DL with Votto all yr, but atleast he tried, so I respect that. Im sure know one is moer disappointed than Bruce in his yr he has had, as Im sure its embarrassing to be that bad.

If this team goes back in the dumps it will be because of Votto's contract and not getting any production out of him, not becaue of incompetent manager or coaching staff.


There is probably only a handful of games you could lay at the feet of Price because of inexperience if that. 1 thing that has stayed constant is starting pitching, and thats all because of Price. Under Price we have had some of the best pitching in the history of the Reds.

Obviously Price being a former pitcher he isnt going to be teaching hitting, which was our biggest flaw this year, just like Dusty wasnt going to teach pitching caue he knew nothing about it. Yet this team was still challenged offensively with a former offensive player as manager, and in those years we stayed healthy for the most part.

Not wanting to make this about Price and Dusty, cause I felt for the most part Dusty was a solid manager, and I think Price can be a solid manager as well in time.

Bottom linbe is this team has been weak offensively over the past few years, but we stayed healthy enough with the key players offensively to get timely hits and our pitching always kept us in games. This yera we didnt stay healthy and while our starting ptiching kept us in most games the offense couldnt manage to get any timely hits.

Offensively we had 2 players that gave us any type of consistency and that was Frazier and Mez, and Mez was on the DL twice and didnt play as much as he probably could have, which that I do blame Price for.

When you have 2 players doing all the damage offensively and 1 of them didnt get near the at bats as the other one did, then your not going to be very successful.

I dont know of any team with only 2 competent hitters and only 1 of them getting everyday at bats as a team that has success. Seems to me if there is anyone outside of the players that are mostly to blame it would be the GM, not the manager. Manager has to play the hand he is dealt and when you only have 2 players giving you any type of run production it isnt going to end well.

as I stated in the past this team clearly overachieved in the Baker era leading to this fan base with false expectations, but this roster/organization is not good. Think writing is on the wall with Phillips 5-10 eligibility that they are required to trade a SP if they expect anything in return. Again Price has always been the wrong hire and I give him 1 year max

[CaseIH]

Re: 2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

As for Hoover....the issue is the ENTIRE bullpen seriously regressed this year save for Chapman and Broxton. And Broxton could almost be considered smoke n mirrors, as his peripheral stats did not support his sub 2.00 ERA (hence having a FIP of 3.52).

Games entered in High Leverage Situation
1. Broxton - 29
2. Chapman - 25
3. Parra - 24
4. LeCure - 21
5. Ondrusek - 13
6. Diaz - 12
7. Hoover - 12

So it's not like Price is continually running Hoover out there with the game on the line. My only complaint as far as bullpen usage is using Chapman as the traditional closer when he said he would pitch Chapman more. We have one of the most dominant arms in MLB (17.6 K/9), and he has only thrown 48 innings this year.

There is no manager in the history of baseball who could've turned this team into a contender. That includes John McGraw, Connie Mack, Joe Torre, Bobby Cox, Tony LaRussa, Earl Weaver, or Sparky Anderson. No manager can overcome an offense that has three players with an OPS+ north of 100 (and one of those players only played 62 games).

There is hope....bounce back years from Votto and Bruce (meaning both are 100% and not trying to play on one leg), with continued progression from Mesoraco, Frazier, and Hamilton could see this offense rise from being putrid. And a starting pitcher traded for a legitimate right handed power bat in LF could instantly turn this team into a contender.

Yeah really my only complaint as to how Price said he would use Chapman then didnt really do it like he said he would.

Really Chapman and Broxton were the only 2 bullpen guys you could count on, early on Lecure could be counted on but then he turned bad. A manager cant just run the 2 late innings guys out there everyday in any situation, so he had to use what he was given and unfortunately he didnt have much to work with this yr in the pen.

I have always hated Ondrusek and I wish they would have gotten rid of him last yr. Not sure what happen to Hoover but he had been good until this yr, but I dont know if I would keep him around to see if he gets it firgured out next yr though if it were me.

i do know Price has been one of the best pitching coaches in all of baseball and before he got to the Reds our pitching was horrible and he made the pitching some of the best in the history of the Reds organization, so Price does know Pitching. Thats one area I wont ever really question with him as manager is pitching, cause he has proven to be a heck of a pitching coach.

Managing the game Price made some errors which is expected for a rookie manager. I remember Matheny';s 1st yr some Cards fans were wanting him gone too, dont hear much from them now, so it work out. Price I think can be a good manager, and you learn from your mistakes as Im sure he will. Heck even the most experience managers make decisions that dont always work out, so no manager always makes the right choice.

[CaseIH]

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as I stated in the past this team clearly overachieved in the Baker era leading to this fan base with false expectations, but this roster/organization is not good. Think writing is on the wall with Phillips 5-10 eligibility that they are required to trade a SP if they expect anything in return. Again Price has always been the wrong hire and I give him 1 year max

I do think we over achieved some under Dusty, that I agree with, cause we had the fortune of staying healthy.

Only time will tell if Price was the right choice, but I highly doubt he willl be ousted in only 1 yr especially when he didnt have a healthy team to work with.

When you have no depth and sustain injuries your not going to win many games no matter who is manager.

I dont know if Price was the right choice, cause I felt we needed a manager who knew hitting. I think they gave hi the job cause of how good he was as ptiching coach and didnt want to lose him and why got the job. We needed a change cause Dusty had got us as far as he was capable of.

With offense being our weakest area I would have hired a manager who knew offense if I was GM, but I also know with how much of a turn aorund the pitching made under Price it would be hard to take a chance of losing him, so I see why they hired him, and I even predicted it before he was hired.

If I were you or anyone thats against Price, you might want ot be careful what you wish for, cause just think if Rigglequitter was manager. You think this team dont give their all now, no way they would give their all to a manager who quite on his team when the FO dont let him have his way,lol. Thats what I was afraid of last yr, is them hiring Riggleman, aka Rigglequitter

[redsrule]

Re: 2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

Lol at Bryan Price being the wrong hire from the start. The Reds could have hired Sparky Anderson and you would have thought it was bad after they canned your hero.

[HustlinOwl]

Re: 2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

Lol at Bryan Price being the wrong hire from the start. The Reds could have hired Sparky Anderson and you would have thought it was bad after they canned your hero.

yep only made this team relevant again and like I predicted prior to start of season back to the cellar they go

[PhantomPain]

Re: 2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

Lol at Bryan Price being the wrong hire from the start. The Reds could have hired Sparky Anderson and you would have thought it was bad after they canned your hero.

It's useless, redsrule, and you know this. Good effort but logic isn't a strong point of Hustlin's.

[Sportsforever]

Re: 2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

Let me just say I admire the passion in this thread...it's been a rough year for Red's fans and yet you guys are in here daily talking about it. Wish the rest of our baseball threads were like this