2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

[HustlinOwl]

Re: 2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

It's useless, redsrule, and you know this. Good effort but logic isn't a strong point of Hustlin's.

good effort, but would also question your logic in trusting Price to lead this club to a WS lmao

[PhantomPain]

Re: 2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

good effort, but would also question your logic in trusting Price to lead this club to a WS lmao

That's the thing Hustlin. Nobody can trust Price to lead this team to a WS at this point. He is a first year manager that had absolutely nothing to work with.

The argument with you isn't whether or not Price is a great manager. It's that everyone except you seems to have a grip on the hand he was dealt and logically realize you can't judge him quite yet. He may turn out to be a dud and you can pump your chest. But everyone in here, at least that I have seen, is willing to give Price more time...except you of course. It just makes logical sense.

Somehow I think you're going to miss the point again though....

[PhantomPain]

Re: 2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

Not once did I ever hear Dusty take blame for anything. Maybe he did because I can't read everything he ever said, but Price is showing he doesn't have a problem with saying he needs to get better.

FUNDAMENTALS: When you have a season like the Reds have had, you've got to look at everything.

"There are certain protocols we have to have organizationally to get the players more prepared to really execute," Price said. "I think we've missed some opportunities just by not executing a game plan. That falls on me and our coaching more so than, I think, the players -- our ability to put these guys in an environment to continue to develop an offensive personality as far as moving runners, getting bunts down, running the bases.

"There are areas where we haven't executed well enough organizationally as a staff to develop these guys. Those are things we have to address."

Linky

[CaseIH]

Re: 2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

yep only made this team relevant again and like I predicted prior to start of season back to the cellar they go

You do make some good points from time to time Hustlin, but you do realize if Dusty was that highly thought of then he wouldnt have had to go begging for a job after being fired last season. There was a lot of job openings last yr and none of those teams wanted Dusty as a manager.

Personally I think Dusty was a descent manager, and probably did some of his best managing as a Reds manager. But he had gotten them as far as he was capable of.

I dont know if Price was the right guy or not, but I think to be fair to him he does need more than 1 yr especially since he never did have much of his everyday roster intact from the start.

Price made some mistakes, I dont think anyone would deny that, but I dont feel its fair to judge him based on 1 yr. I also think Price is a pretty smart guy an we know how he turned the Reds pitching around, so I think he can learn from this year and be better for it.

Its definitely been a hard season to watch, and I think we all know the time is running out on this core group whether it be cuase of age or because of money that will be owed to keep the rotation intact.

I think the FO has a lot to think about, and they are going to have to decide if this same group if healthy is worth giving 1 more yr or making some moves that might weaken one area but help in another area.

IMO its no brainer, this group even if healthy isnt enough to win a WS and they are going to need to probably trade 1 of either Latos or Cueto to get a bat. IM not even sure just 1 bat will fix this offense, sadly.

I think if Votto comes back an regains his form of before the knee injury of 12 and BP can bounce back as well as Bruce, to go along with what should be a improved Hamilton alogn with Mez and Frazier then maybe bat can make a difference. Thats a lot of iffs though, and big ones at that, Im not sure we will ever see Votto regain his MVP form, and BP is on the decline sadly. I do think Bruce can bounce back, but its not like Bruce is anything more than a power hitter that will probably never bat for high average.

Going to be a interesting winter and long one at that. I just hope the right moves are made, cause the window of opportunity is closing on us as a small market team and if Votto never gets close to being what he once was then we have Griffey Jr all over again that wrecked this franchise financially.

[HustlinOwl]

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That's the thing Hustlin. Nobody can trust Price to lead this team to a WS at this point. He is a first year manager that had absolutely nothing to work with.

The argument with you isn't whether or not Price is a great manager. It's that everyone except you seems to have a grip on the hand he was dealt and logically realize you can't judge him quite yet. He may turn out to be a dud and you can pump your chest. But everyone in here, at least that I have seen, is willing to give Price more time...except you of course. It just makes logical sense.

Somehow I think you're going to miss the point again though....

and yet again you fail to miss the point IM NOT A FAN OF BRYAN PRICE let alone any pitching coach turned manager all the BS he was talking prior to season none of that has came to fruition and the numerous moves he's made this year solidifies it for me that this lame duck manager is and never will be the answer to get the team back to the promise land. Baker knew this teams shortcoming year after year and FO gave him nothing to work with either

[HustlinOwl]

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You do make some good points from time to time Hustlin, but you do realize if Dusty was that highly thought of then he wouldnt have had to go begging for a job after being fired last season. There was a lot of job openings last yr and none of those teams wanted Dusty as a manager.

Personally I think Dusty was a descent manager, and probably did some of his best managing as a Reds manager. But he had gotten them as far as he was capable of.

I dont know if Price was the right guy or not, but I think to be fair to him he does need more than 1 yr especially since he never did have much of his everyday roster intact from the start.

Price made some mistakes, I dont think anyone would deny that, but I dont feel its fair to judge him based on 1 yr. I also think Price is a pretty smart guy an we know how he turned the Reds pitching around, so I think he can learn from this year and be better for it.

Its definitely been a hard season to watch, and I think we all know the time is running out on this core group whether it be cuase of age or because of money that will be owed to keep the rotation intact.

I think the FO has a lot to think about, and they are going to have to decide if this same group if healthy is worth giving 1 more yr or making some moves that might weaken one area but help in another area.

IMO its no brainer, this group even if healthy isnt enough to win a WS and they are going to need to probably trade 1 of either Latos or Cueto to get a bat. IM not even sure just 1 bat will fix this offense, sadly.

I think if Votto comes back an regains his form of before the knee injury of 12 and BP can bounce back as well as Bruce, to go along with what should be a improved Hamilton alogn with Mez and Frazier then maybe bat can make a difference. Thats a lot of iffs though, and big ones at that, Im not sure we will ever see Votto regain his MVP form, and BP is on the decline sadly. I do think Bruce can bounce back, but its not like Bruce is anything more than a power hitter that will probably never bat for high average.

Going to be a interesting winter and long one at that. I just hope the right moves are made, cause the window of opportunity is closing on us as a small market team and if Votto never gets close to being what he once was then we have Griffey Jr all over again that wrecked this franchise financially.

this team is flawed and Baker did a good job managing them all weaknesses were exposed with rookie manager and lol at those calling for Jacoby firing

[HustlinOwl]

Re: 2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

continue to love the injury crutch lol this team was 1 1/2 out of 1st place at the all-star break then proceeded to lose 7 straight. Cardinals had injuries in playoffs and O's have had injuries in playoffs #FirePrice They are hitting .238 as a team, next-to-last in the league and they have a .298 on-base average, tied with the Cubs for next to last.

[CaseIH]

Re: 2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

continue to love the injury crutch lol this team was 1 1/2 out of 1st place at the all-star break then proceeded to lose 7 straight. Cardinals had injuries in playoffs and O's have had injuries in playoffs #FirePrice They are hitting .238 as a team, next-to-last in the league and they have a .298 on-base average, tied with the Cubs for next to last.

Those 2 teams are good teams with depth especially the Cards. They seem to be able to pluck anyone into their system and keep clicking every year.

I dont think anyone thinks that even if this team was healthy it could win a WS with the roster we have, but we definitely wouldnt be in a battle for the cellar with the North Side losers if healthy.

Jacoby was a idiot, but I would say the hitting coach wasnt really to blame over the past few years considering we changed hitting coaches and things havent improved. Obviously a hitting coach can only do so much so the majority of the blame if not all goes on the players themselves, or the GM for not putting a better team on the field.

You even keep saying this team isnt very good, so obviously when your best players are injured it dont matter who the manager is or the coaching staff is they arent going ot be successful.

Personally I believe it all starts in the minors and if you have the right instructors in the minors then when guys get to the majors they already have a good idea of what they want to do at the plate. IMO our minor league needs a overhaul as far as coaches and managers go. Except for the pitching coaches, I think we have some pretty good pitching coaches in the system.

I know most Reds fans hate the Cards but the Reds could learn a lot from how their organization is ran from top to bottom. When they call up guys they look like thye have a idea of what they want to do, our guys get called up they look clueless at the plate, much like a lot of our ML players do with a bat in their hand.

I wasnt sure when they fired Jacoby that we would see a improvement offensively, but it was time for him to go, its easier to fire HC's than it is to get rid of several players. I would say they know now the hitting coach probably wasnt the main reason we couldnt hit, or the manager was a problem for that matter.

Now they know that, they need to try and figure a way to improve the roster. That might be to get rid of the GM, as he is the guy that gives the manager the players to work with. Not sure that will happen, cause Walt and Bob are friends, but IMO if anyone deserves fired after this year its Walt over anyone.

[PhantomPain]

Re: 2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

and yet again you fail to miss the point IM NOT A FAN OF BRYAN PRICE let alone any pitching coach turned manager all the BS he was talking prior to season none of that has came to fruition and the numerous moves he's made this year solidifies it for me that this lame duck manager is and never will be the answer to get the team back to the promise land. Baker knew this teams shortcoming year after year and FO gave him nothing to work with either

lol, it would impossible...literally impossible for anyone that reads this thread to not know you are not a fan of Price. Trust me, you have made that abundantly clear.

Baker didn't have much to work with either except he had, during most of his tenure, the best hitter in baseball with Votto. When Votto went down the players you complain about today, Ludwick and Cozart to name a couple, were the ones overachieving. You want them gone now (everybody wants Dudwick gone) because they are no longer overachieving.

Ah forget it, its pointless. Enjoy your office season knowing Price is going to be the Manager next year. Now you'll know what a lot of people felt like knowing Dusty was going to be here the following year.

[redsrule]

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this team is flawed and Baker did a good job managing them all weaknesses were exposed with rookie manager and lol at those calling for Jacoby firing

He did a good job of having a MVP in Joey Votto, a second baseman in his prime, a .400 OBP leadoff hitter, etc. Don't try to compare the teams, because you are only making yourself look worse.

This team was bound to regress a bit, because they a .400 OBP leadoff hitter in Choo. Add in all of the injuries and Price was dealt a hand heavily stacked against him.

Maybe if Dusty wasn't a moron and played Mesoraco every day he'd still have his job. Instead he stayed with .200 Hanigan. There's a reason guys like Keith Law said firing Dusty was one of the best things the Reds could have done.

I don't expect you to get it though, you've proven multiple times that you don't know how to respond to actual facts.

[HustlinOwl]

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He did a good job of having a MVP in Joey Votto, a second baseman in his prime, a .400 OBP leadoff hitter, etc. Don't try to compare the teams, because you are only making yourself look worse.

This team was bound to regress a bit, because they a .400 OBP leadoff hitter in Choo. Add in all of the injuries and Price was dealt a hand heavily stacked against him.

Maybe if Dusty wasn't a moron and played Mesoraco every day he'd still have his job. Instead he stayed with .200 Hanigan. There's a reason guys like Keith Law said firing Dusty was one of the best things the Reds could have done.

I don't expect you to get it though, you've proven multiple times that you don't know how to respond to actual facts.

lol play Meso everyday that couldnt handle a rotation sure and by your logic whats the difference with Price playing Bruce/Cozart and their mendoza hitting everyday??

[redsrule]

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lol play Meso everyday that couldnt handle a rotation sure and by your logic whats the difference with Price playing Bruce/Cozart and their mendoza hitting everyday??

Do the Reds have an elite prospect waiting behind them? No. Cozart is one of the best SS in baseball defensively.
Who would you rather play everyday? Santiago? Schumaker? Heisey?

[HustlinOwl]

Re: 2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

Cmon Bruce, Mez, Frazier or Hamilton a HR tonite or Chappy save earns me $350 and fantasy championship

[PhantomPain]

Re: 2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

Cmon Bruce, Mez, Frazier or Hamilton a HR tonite or Chappy save earns me $350 and fantasy championship

Bruce with 2, Mez and Frazier with 1 each. You should be good to go and congrats on the money.

[jasontoddwhitt]

Re: 2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

A win on national television?

Color me impressed.