2013 Toronto Blue Jays

[AC]

Just .299? You got some high standards, Bryan.

We have Rowdy Tellez, this dude would eat whatever eats Yasiel Puig for breakfast. Huge. Huge power.

And we do have a great pitching prospect. Aaron Sanchez. Hell, Roberto Osuna and even Marcus Stroman.

[SPTO]

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I'd be alright with the losing except for this team not even being able to execute the fundamentals like bunting a guy over. The fielding has been atrocious just about all year too. I knew losing Butterfield would have an impact but I didn't think losing our defensive guru was going to lead to this crap. It's almost as if the coaches on the team now don't even stress the "easy" things.

"sigh"

I'm almost inclined to fire Gibbons' *** and give Butterfield whatever he wants to be the manager here next year.

(okay maybe I exaggerate a little but still this is just putrid)

[AC]

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I'd be alright with the losing except for this team not even being able to execute the fundamentals like bunting a guy over.

We shouldn't be bunting regardless, and most of the bunts have been player decisions.

If anyone's replacing Gibbons, it's Hale. But not getting into this debate for the millionth time.

[SPTO]

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Wasn't saying i want Gibby fired so don't worry.

Wow...Just listened to most of the Blue Jays talk....Talk about a frustrated fanbase!

[AC]

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I can't listen to JaysTalk anymore. Wilner is just pathetic. Not that the callers are much better.

[Majingir]

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Something sad to think about...

Jays offense around 2003 could've looked like:
1B-Delgado
2B-Hudson
3B-Batista
SS-Young
LF-Stewart
CF-Wells
RF-Werth
DH-Green

All it would've required is Jays KEEPING their players and not trading people(it wouldn't even have to be a scenario like "what if we took the offer from ____" or "what if we signed ____".This scenario just required Jays to keep their own players)

Of those 8 guys,5 would be capable of hitting 20+HR,and maybe 3-4 or so would be capable of hitting .300. Hudson is probably only guy in that lineup who wouldn't fall under either category,but he's still around a .270 hitter with GREAT defense.

[AC]

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Okay guys, everyone in this thread, I've been thinking a lot lately. What approach would you take to fix the Blue Jays this offseason? Full rebuild, tear it all down? Lock and load, retool for a hopefully more productive run next year? Or just stay the status quo? What kind of moves would you guys want to make?

To stay within realism, let's try and keep this under a ~$145m (you can go over a wee bit) budget. You have the following in payroll commitments.

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C - Arencibia (arb1)
1B - Encarnacion (9)
2B - Izturis (3)
3B - Lawrie (nm)
SS - Reyes (16)
LF - Melky (8)
CF - Rasmus (arb3)
RF - Bautista (14)
DH - Lind (7 - 2 buyout)

BN - Thole (1.25)
BN - Gose (nm)
BN - Pillar (nm)
BN - Goins (nm)

SP - Dickey (12)
SP - Morrow (8)
SP - Buehrle (18)
SP - Happ (5.2)
SP - Romero (7.5)
SP - Hutchison (nm)

BP - Janssen (4 - team option)
BP - Santos (3.75)
BP - McGowan (1.5)
BP - Rogers (arb1)
BP - Cecil (arb1)
BP - Lincoln (arb1)
BP - Delabar (nm)
BP - Loup (nm)

Total = $1183.2 (with Lind) + arb cases (JPA, Rasmus, Boni, Rogers, Cecil, Lincoln) + nm guys (Lawrie, Gose, Hutchison, Lincoln, Loup, Delabar, Pillar, Goins, Sierra, etc) = ~135 million (without Lind).

So basically, what kind of moves would you guys make with roughly 10m of budget space in what's shaping up to be one of the biggest off seasons in franchise history?

[SPTO]

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1. Get rid of Arencibia and get a catcher in FA or trade. Looking at potential FA catchers there's no one worthwhile from both a bat and defensive perspective.

2. sign Justin Morneau and have him play 1st, keep Lind and have him as the every day DH.

3. Keep Davis and DeRosa

4. Offer arbitration to Rasmus, Rogers, Lincoln, Cecil and Rogers

5. Let Johnson walk

6. Try to sign either Floyd, Garland or Garza in free agency.

[Majingir]

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1.Get a new staff(coaching staff,training staff ect)
2.Get a new catcher
3.Get more SP depth
4.Get a new 2B


Staff and catcher are 2 HUGE priorities. We REALLY need to find a GOOD coach, and not just that,but a better training staff. Don't know how any team would keep their training staff when the past 3 seasons have been the 3 more injury filled seasons in franchise history. Regardless if it's their fault or not, just get new people in, cause we've had 2 completely diff rosters run into exact same injury problems.

And getting a new C is something we need. Not just to get better offensively, but we need someone who can call good games for our SP. Let Dickey,Buehrle,Morrow all have a huge amount of input on the catcher they'd like to see Jays go after.

Dickey,Buehrle,Morrow as 3 of our SP I still won't mind. We just need to make sure we have backup plan. Our AAA rotation needs to be good enough where guys on it could make other teams MLB rotations.

I just hope Jays don't blow things up. As bad as things have been,seems much easier for us to fix the problem,then rebuild and wait another 5+ years to be in a similar position talent wise.

[AC]

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2. sign Justin Morneau and have him play 1st, keep Lind and have him as the every day DH.

What happens to EE? I have a much longer list of crap to do.

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-Non tender Lincoln
-Non tender Rogers
-Decline Derosa option (sign as broadcaster)
-Oliver retires
-Lind bought out (5)
-Abreu signed
-Oswalt signed
-Johnson signed
-Rajai signed
-Lincecum signed
-Lannan signed
-Arencibia to the Phillies for Pettibone
-Happ to Washington for Tyler Moore
-Romero + cash to Anaheim for Garrett Richards
-Santos to the Dodgers for Onelki Garcia
-Melky to the Rangers for Cody Buckel
-Izturis to the Cardinals for who gives a flying ****

Basically, my plan allows:

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~Maintain a payroll of ~$131.75m (not including arb cases)
~We get younger, most talent lost is Lind (1 fWAR at most)
~Team could have a fire sale and gain many pieces to have a rebuild if necessary
~Team has the tools to be a top 5 offense with good pitching
~Surplus of young depth with talent to contribute on top of solid vets (no more McGowan/Drabek/Litsch in our OD rotation)
~Molina could be a 2-3 WAR upgrade at C and could mentor Jimenez and Thole
~Reyes could be moved to 2nd to for elite defensive SS Ryan
~Crap-tonne of pitching depth (no more Jesse Chavez and Ramon Ortiz)

TL;DR Shed dead weight, get younger, get better.

[SPTO]

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D'oh sorry forgot about that well in my world that means bye bye Lind.

BTW your proposal sounds like a whole lot of upheaval but one that could work. I said to keep DeRosa mainly because the Blue Jays have basically said they're keeping him for next season already so that's not going to change.

[AC]

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Yeah, I guess I thought about this less as what they were going to do and more what I'd like.

I know mine is a lot of upheaval lol. Obviously it'd be hard to make all of those moves, and you could probably do without 1 or 2 of them, but the strategy of the dead weight and get younger remains.

[bhurst99]

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I get so depressed seeing the $$$ committed already to next year. I don't know how much of that AA is going to be able to shed during the off-season.

We're giving up tons of runs to Houston now. How much worse can this year get?

[AC]

Re: 2013 Toronto Blue Jays

#tanknation

[SPTO]

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#tanknation

If only the MLB draft were like the NFL and NHL where getting a high draft pick USUALLY means an impact player right away.