2013 Toronto Blue Jays

[bhurst99]

Re: 2013 Toronto Blue Jays

Two starts don't have that much of an impact unless they're more or less Kershaw in a good year.

We're probably an 84ish win team as is. Like, a little better than the Mariners.

We're going no where if we're 28th in quality starts again.

I wish I had your optimism about 84 wins. Maybe if everyone stayed healthy but that never happens in baseball. We don't have a lot of depth at a ton of positions.

[AC]

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We have starting pitching depth and a very good positional core. It's just 2B, maybe LF and SP1/2 that are stopping us.

[Majingir]

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Well to be fair the Blue Jays did blow their brains out last year.

Wouldn't it be funny if the Jays took a flyer on Vernon Wells as a bench/utility guy after the Yanks have DFA'ed him?

Despite hitting poorly overall, Wells did hit over .280 while coming off the bench last year, so maybe if he could at least do that, he wouldn't be a bad option to get. Especially since he's already getting paid over 20M anyways, so I'm sure he wouldn't want much if he goes to free agency.

But in terms of overall team...We NEED starting pitching.

Finishing 9th in the league in runs scored DESPITE having our best power hitter injured for almost 50 games and our best contact hitter gone for almost half the season. If they can stay healthy, our offense will be great. But past few years have been most injured filled in franchise history(and REAL CLOSE to being the most in MLB history).

Just get some consistency on the mound for starters and we'll be fine. If we have same pitching as last year but with healthy offense, I could see this team as a high 70s-low 80s win team. Healthy offense and good pitching...high 80s-low 90s win team.

[bad_philanthropy]

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Totally mad question, but moving the fences back a few feet and bringing them flush with the outfield seats above (obviously this would eliminate the upper bullpen seating for the players). Hurt or help the Jays overall?

[Majingir]

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Totally mad question, but moving the fences back a few feet and bringing them flush with the outfield seats above (obviously this would eliminate the upper bullpen seating for the players). Hurt or help the Jays overall?

Honestly, the bullpens should just be in CF. The CF area should be where the bullpens are(or might that be too distracting for the batters eye?Unless they had tinted walls or something where guys in the bullpen can see the game,but you can't see in the bullpen from the field)

Jays have mostly been known as a power hitting team and not one that hits for a good batting average,I think it'd probably hurt their batters more than it'd help their pitchers.

Jays just need to find the right type of pitchers for the team. Ground ball pitchers especially. The less line drives and fly balls, the better,especially at Rogers Centre.

[AC]

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Totally mad question, but moving the fences back a few feet and bringing them flush with the outfield seats above (obviously this would eliminate the upper bullpen seating for the players). Hurt or help the Jays overall?

No difference. Hitters get worse, pitchers get better. Revenue from seats increases, but you have to figure out where in god's name to put a bullpen for some inordinate amount of money.

I've had the idea before. I think it's something to consider but our main priority should be grass.

[Majingir]

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No difference. Hitters get worse, pitchers get better. Revenue from seats increases, but you have to figure out where in god's name to put a bullpen for some inordinate amount of money.

I've had the idea before. I think it's something to consider but our main priority should be grass.

Grass is happening in 2017.

So really just 3 more seasons of this turf

[Majingir]

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So Tanaka stuff over with....now back to the Jimenez,Santana stuff....With ST starting in about a month and pitchers having to report in just under 4 weeks, all guys should hopefully be signing within next week or two.


Getting 2 of Jimenez,Garza,Santana would be great. Dickey,Morrow,Buehrle are really the only main locks for the rotation going into the season. Sure guys like Happ,Drabek among others could compete for other spots, but it'd be nice if we could have people like those as our injury replacements in the rotation(assuming those guys are healthy too though...)

[Clarke99]

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Heres hoping for Erv... Jimenez no trust me no, Im an Indians fan first Toronto 2nd trust me Ubaldo is dangerous. He would be a big regret unless he came cheap (which I highly doubt will happen)

Are you guys not of the thought that Brandon Morrow literally is just a part time starter? Ive lost all faith, everytime they (the Jays brass) talk up the season come spring every time they will mention Morrow, and it aint gonna happen, they know that theyre just feeding us jibberish to keep ticket sales etc... Morrow is toast

still glad we had him as opposed to Brandon League but still... Seattle maybe wasn't as bad as we thought and the Jays are just soft on him

[AC]

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Heres hoping for Erv... Jimenez no trust me no, Im an Indians fan first Toronto 2nd trust me Ubaldo is dangerous. He would be a big regret unless he came cheap (which I highly doubt will happen)

Are you guys not of the thought that Brandon Morrow literally is just a part time starter? Ive lost all faith, everytime they (the Jays brass) talk up the season come spring every time they will mention Morrow, and it aint gonna happen, they know that theyre just feeding us jibberish to keep ticket sales etc... Morrow is toast

still glad we had him as opposed to Brandon League but still... Seattle maybe wasn't as bad as we thought and the Jays are just soft on him

Disagree strongly with everything you've said. Except Brandon League, thank god he's gone lol. But no, Santana has a career 100 xFIP- and him in the Rogers Centre would be hilarious. Jimenez has better than Santana and will probably be marginally better. Apparently he's been looking for ~14 a season or whatever. There's room for real value there.

Burnett>Shark>Garza>Bailey>Jimenez>Capuano>Santana >Arroyo.

I don't think Morrow is at the point where you do something ridiculous like throw him in the bullpen. You give him absolutely every chance to start. Especially with our depth.


Buckle up, guys. AA's probably gonna do some crazy **** out of desperation coming up. Hopefully it's closer to Burnett/Shark+Garza than it is Santana + Arroyo.

[Majingir]

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I wouldn't mind Jays giving Scott Baker a ST invite. He missed all of 2012 and came back at end of 2013, so wouldn't be bad option to at least get him to ST and see if he's still healthy.

Jeff Niemann as well would be good ST Invite option.

[SPTO]

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If the Jays were to sign Arroyo I'd literally tear up my new jersey. That guy would be a travesty at Rogers Centre.

Hopefully AA goes for the more sensible options rather than grasp at straws just to make headlines.

[Clarke99]

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Disagree strongly with everything you've said. Except Brandon League, thank god he's gone lol. But no, Santana has a career 100 xFIP- and him in the Rogers Centre would be hilarious. Jimenez has better than Santana and will probably be marginally better. Apparently he's been looking for ~14 a season or whatever. There's room for real value there.

Burnett>Shark>Garza>Bailey>Jimenez>Capuano>Santana >Arroyo.

I don't think Morrow is at the point where you do something ridiculous like throw him in the bullpen. You give him absolutely every chance to start. Especially with our depth.


Buckle up, guys. AA's probably gonna do some crazy **** out of desperation coming up. Hopefully it's closer to Burnett/Shark+Garza than it is Santana + Arroyo.

Its funny, im not coming at you but sabermatricians can make anything look good and also make the same thing look bad, theres wisdom to the numbers but overall they've become fairly overrated.
Either way theres not much out there, especially with the prices and how cheap AA is.

Morrow should start agreed, but I don't expect more than 15-20 starts, hes ok occasionally insanely good with flashes of brilliance, but he could never survive later in the year, imagine him in October? its impossible.

If they flop, AA is done for come September/October hopefully reduced to his old job of AGM, I like him but he seems to think too much if you ask me, all brains not enough C&B's... other than last offseason

Niemmann's a nice gamble

[AC]

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Its funny, im not coming at you but sabermatricians can make anything look good and also make the same thing look bad, theres wisdom to the numbers but overall they've become fairly overrated.

I understand you're not insulting me personally and appreciate your calling me a sabermatrician when in reality I'm just a whippersnapper with basic algebraic knowledge and way too much time on his hands, but why do you think they're overrated? Not to take this off topic.

But I'll put my opinion in non-numercial terms. Ubaldo's stuff will probably lead to more success than Santana's. The numbers just happen to back that up.

[Clarke99]

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I understand you're not insulting me personally and appreciate your calling me a sabermatrician when in reality I'm just a whippersnapper with basic algebraic knowledge and way too much time on his hands, but why do you think they're overrated? Not to take this off topic.

But I'll put my opinion in non-numercial terms. Ubaldo's stuff will probably lead to more success than Santana's. The numbers just happen to back that up.

I just remember awhile ago reading moneyball (a few years before the movie) and looking into sabermetrics, and while some can give good indicators it seemed like they're useful for certain needs and situations but they can also give off some other deficiency numbers in the end you realise that a lot of public writers like to pick out a few good things (or bad) to prove a point. Im not calling you out, or saying you did this particularly, just whenever I read a metric other than maybe WAR, I personally feel like theyre a wash. They get taken out of context, where as on a lot players if you study them up theres another counter argument from another metric that could be made.
As opposed to keep it laymen term, like you said "good stuff" which is true but he has big inconsistency ironically similar to Morrow lol