NBA 2K17 Defensive Settings Community Wiki

[GeoPDX17]

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Neither.

Help and No Rotation means the defender assigned to the player will provide a little help off ball but will not leave his man, in this case, Curry. It will not bring any additional defenders to Curry.

It's basically a mid way point between setting Curry's defender to Auto, which means he will, in some cases, leave Curry alone, and setting him to No Help, which means he will not leave Curry even if it means ignoring a nearby driver to the basket from the wing.

Help and No Rotation is an off ball defensive setting, not a screen defense setting, so I'm not sure what you're thinking about with the way you worded your question. If you want additional defensive focus on Curry during screens, you can set screen rules to double if you want, which will leave the screen setter alone. That's not a great idea if Klay is setting it, but you can use that setting.

If you want a little more cheating defensive help to come from a nearby defender to concentrate on Curry, you could set pre-rotate too On for Curry. In that case, you will see nearby defenders on the wings or one pass away cheat toward Curry, for example, at or around the nail (weak side free throw line) if Curry has the ball around the strong side wing.

That guy can also help with pick and roll defense but will probably prioritize Curry over the roll man, allowing your defending big to be more free to deal with the roll/pop pick setter.

If Curry is lighting you up, you can also use some packaged defensive adjustment settings specifically assigned to Curry, such as Boxes & Elbows, Make Him Work, Push Off the Line, or whatever. You can find descriptions of what some of those do here.

Ok, so Lillard is guarding curry. If go on to Curry's defensive settings and select help and no rotation, this means Lillard with provide soft help off of curry but never completely leave him, right ?

[LorenzoDC]

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Nice breakdown Lorenzo. Now, does setting No Help on Curry mean than Curry's defender will Not help off Curry, or does is mean players will not help of other players on Curry? I thought it was the opposite but it's one of the few settings I haven't played around with much yet.

It means the defender guarding Curry will not help off ball. He will stay with Curry. Other defenders will provide help, as long as they are not guarding players you have assigned to No Help. They will help but not rotate if they are assigned to other Warriors whose settings are Help and No Rotation. They will provide full help, including possibly leaving their man, if you set help settings to Auto.

It's 90-95% reliable, depending in part on your defender's defensive IQ.

[LorenzoDC]

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Ok, so Lillard is guarding curry. If go on to Curry's defensive settings and select help and no rotation, this means Lillard with provide soft help off of curry but never completely leave him, right ?

Yes, Lillard will provide soft help but not leave Curry. Again, this is not 100% reliable but is mostly reliable, and is based a lot on your defender's defensive IQ. Breakdowns happen more also when your opposing offense is building momentum, and this stuff is also less reliable in transition defense.

[alabamarob]

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It means the defender guarding Curry will not help off ball. He will stay with Curry. Other defenders will provide help, as long as they are not guarding players you have assigned to No Help. They will help but not rotate if they are assigned to other Warriors whose settings are Help and No Rotation. They will provide full help, including possibly leaving their man, if you set help settings to Auto.

It's 90-95% reliable, depending in part on your defender's defensive IQ.

Are you sure about this DC? I have not messed Round with the individual help defense settings enough to know? But, it seems like you are blending two seperate items.

The help and no rotation option deals with pnr. That is why it says screen next to it. But the regular help options deal with the drive. I think the question is about the regular drive which only has 3 options. Help, no help and auto. So those 3 options have nothing to do with "help no rotation." "Help no rotation" is strictly for pnr was what i thought. If a person gets beat of the dribble the help no rotation option would not apply. I will check it out later tonight, but i am pretty sure that is what Scott said.

So my question is when dealing with the "drive" help options. Does no help on Curry mean that no one will help on curry or does it mean that no one will help "off" curry. I was under the impression that no help, meant that no one will help "ON" curry. I thought that all the ind settings dealt with the ballhandler. Have you tested this out?

[ThatMichiganFan]

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Are you sure about this DC? I have not messed Round with the individual help defense settings enough to know? But, it seems like you are blending two seperate items.

The help and no rotation option deals with pnr. That is why it says screen next to it. But the regular help options deal with the drive. I think the question is about the regular drive which only has 3 options. Help, no help and auto. So those 3 options have nothing to do with "help no rotation." "Help no rotation" is strictly for pnr was what i thought. If a person gets beat of the dribble the help no rotation option would not apply. I will check it out later tonight, but i am pretty sure that is what Scott said.

So my question is when dealing with the "drive" help options. Does no help on Curry mean that no one will help on curry or does it mean that no one will help "off" curry. I was under the impression that no help, meant that no one will help "ON" curry. I thought that all the ind settings dealt with the ballhandler. Have you tested this out?

I'm about to start testing these two settings. I'll come back with some results (hopefully).

[alabamarob]

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I'm about to start testing these two settings. I'll come back with some results (hopefully).

Do that please Michigan. Because i would like to know that answer. There are two help settings.

The first one with help no rotation deals with how everyone else will defend that player in a pnr. Is what i though Scott said.

The second deals with straight drives. It does not have a help and no rotation option. I thought Scott said it would apply to your teammates helping on that ballhandler.
Meaning no help on curry, will get you no help "ON" curry.

I was not aware of any individual setting that would let you control WHO the help defenders are.

[ThatMichiganFan]

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Do that please Michigan. Because i would like to know that answer. There are two help settings.

The first one with help no rotation deals with how everyone else will defend that player in a pnr. Is what i though Scott said.

The second deals with straight drives. It does not have a help and no rotation option. I thought Scott said it would apply to your teammates helping on that ballhandler.
Meaning no help on curry, will get you no help "ON" curry.

I was not aware of any individual setting that would let you control WHO the help defenders are.

Okay so you think that both of the settings are supposed to dictate helping when that player drives, not helping off that player on drives? Good to know what I should be looking for.

[clinthc0003]

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I know you guys mean well and want the game to play intelligently. But, "Gap Everybody" strategy, is not a strategy, it is a band-aid.

Yeah, I kind of both agree and disagree with you on this point.

The "Gap Everybody" strategy is by all means a real basketball strategy. If it wasn't, then it would be ridiculous to have something like a "Shrink The Floor" defensive package in the game. It's basically just a strategy to dare someone to shoot from outside and not give up anything in the paint, which is completely valid.

It is a band aid in the sense that this seems to be the only strategy (that I have found at least) that leads to realistic field goal percentages and gives you the ability to actually have a good defensive game. The reason that it is this way is that there are some serious problems with passes into the interior and interior defense in general. Therefore, I'm running it against teams that it is not ideal to run it against.

If interior defense was where I want it to be, I would have ran a completely different strategy against this squad. I would not be daring Curry to shoot from the outside (which he did pretty effectively in this game by the way, despite the team not performing well elsewhere). I would have trusted DJ and Ibaka to hold the paint down and put more pressure on the perimeter players. Unfortunately at the moment the game is not at a point where I can do this right now.

I just wanted to illustrate in the video that the Gap setting is not as extreme of a setting as many imagine it to be (you can generally still close out on the shooters pretty well) and that daring a team to shoot from the outside prevents the CPU from spamming passes into the paint at such a high rate.

Let's hope that the next patch addresses some of these issues and allows us to be more flexible with our defensive settings while still having success.

[LorenzoDC]

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Are you sure about this DC? I have not messed Round with the individual help defense settings enough to know? But, it seems like you are blending two seperate items.

The help and no rotation option deals with pnr. That is why it says screen next to it. But the regular help options deal with the drive. I think the question is about the regular drive which only has 3 options. Help, no help and auto. So those 3 options have nothing to do with "help no rotation." "Help no rotation" is strictly for pnr was what i thought. If a person gets beat of the dribble the help no rotation option would not apply. I will check it out later tonight, but i am pretty sure that is what Scott said.

Yes this is exactly right and I was wrong. That's what I get for answering by memory and not looking at the actual settings page.

So my question is when dealing with the "drive" help options. Does no help on Curry mean that no one will help on curry or does it mean that no one will help "off" curry. I was under the impression that no help, meant that no one will help "ON" curry. I thought that all the ind settings dealt with the ballhandler. Have you tested this out?

From some stuff I saw Sam Pham do and from my own game play eyeball tests, the "Help Rules" you assign to Curry (or any player) tell your defender assigned to Curry how to deal with help situations while playing off ball.

So, No Help on Curry means your defender stays with him. Help means his defender will help, but also know that if he is assigned to play Curry tight, any help he gives will be slow and late. The Help given is modified by on ball defender assignments, so guys gapping off ball are able to give the most help. I feel like I'm about 90% sure of everything in this paragraph but there's no reason not to test it more to be sure.

If you set Help to auto then the CPU decides, I guess based on player location to the play, defender IQ, team/Coach's default help preferences, whether the ball handler is set to pre-rotate, any other settings you may have applied as defensive strategies (that's your game plan, such as make him work, force jumper, etc.), and maybe ACE's decision about the possible help defender's attributes and tendencies to be able to get there in time. I feel like I'm about 70% sure if what I have in this paragraph, so this is also definitely worth more testing!

Sorry for the mistake.

[alabamarob]

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Okay so you think that both of the settings are supposed to dictate helping when that player drives, not helping off that player on drives? Good to know what I should be looking for.

I tested it. 2 different settings.


1. Screen help rules. Deals with screen help not direct drives. Has the "help no rotation option.
2. Help rules. Deals with direct drives. Does NOT have the help no rotation option.


Help rules apply to the ballhandler. If you go to Curry's screen and put help option to help. You will help ON curry. if you set it to no help. You will get no help ON curry. Has nothing to do with helping OFF curry.

There is no ind setting to control who the help man is.

[LorenzoDC]

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I tested it. 2 different settings.


1. Screen help rules. Deals with screen help not direct drives. Has the "help no rotation option.
2. Help rules. Deals with direct drives. Does NOT have the help no rotation option.


Help rules apply to the ballhandler. If you go to Curry's screen and put help option to help. You will help ON curry. if you set it to no help. You will get no help ON curry. Has nothing to do with helping OFF curry.

There is no ind setting to control who the help man is.

Ok, that's different from what I was saying, which would be good to know.

When you say "ballhandler," though, I find that unclear. Are you assuming Curry is the ballhandler because you are making assignments to Curry? Because if the settings you apply to Curry apply to the "ballhandler" and Curry is not the active ballhandler, that's different (I think) from what you are saying.

[ThatMichiganFan]

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I tested it. 2 different settings.


1. Screen help rules. Deals with screen help not direct drives. Has the "help no rotation option.
2. Help rules. Deals with direct drives. Does NOT have the help no rotation option.


Help rules apply to the ballhandler. If you go to Curry's screen and put help option to help. You will help ON curry. if you set it to no help. You will get no help ON curry. Has nothing to do with helping OFF curry.

There is no ind setting to control who the help man is.

Was just about to come back with the same results. You should set "Help" or "Help and No Rotation" on the player you want to stop.

For example, you can set it to No Help for everyone, but Help on Curry so when curry drives, a man will come help but when anyone else drives, there will be no help.

[itchyroll_51]

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K new video on how to create help defense for non PnR penetration:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/vYN3uwsV_1Y" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Should i open a new thread for this or just leave it here ? Does this warrant extra discussion with an extra thread or ? Don't want others to miss out about this if it's pinned deep in this wiki.

Sam

[JohnTaylor]

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Anyone know how to turn-off the defensive assist on-line? Every-time I use Intense-D my character moves on his own when the opposing player is moving.

I don't like the idea that someone/something is giving me to crutch to aid me.

[clinthc0003]

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K new video on how to create help defense for non PnR penetration:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/vYN3uwsV_1Y" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Should i open a new thread for this or just leave it here ? Does this warrant extra discussion with an extra thread or ? Don't want others to miss out about this if it's pinned deep in this wiki.

Sam

I doubt this needs a new thread. Just put it in the OP.

See the discussion going on in the comments preceding your video though. We have multiple people saying that the Help settings are for when the selected player is the ball handler, which is the opposite of what your video is saying.

They are "Help on this guy" not "Help off of this guy". It appears at the moment we have no control over who the help defender is apart from the Off-Ball pressure settings (someone on Gap is more likely to help than someone on Tight).