NBA 2K17 Defensive Settings Community Wiki

[QNo]

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Guys, I haven´t read the whole thread, but I´ve watched Sam Phans tutorials on Defense.

I´m still having problems with PnR Defense. (MyTeam, Ruby League)
I though using soft hedge should be the best option here. (soft hedge + go over on PnR + help with no rotation)

I can defend on-ball, but my big man always helps and lets his player roll to the basket, even if I defend perfectly on-ball.

Okay, I can play off-ball defense on the roll man. Sure, but my AI on-ball defender has no chance against good PGs.

What´s the best way to defend PnRs then?

Try catch hedge, or no hedge if your C isn't very mobile.

[billiethetree]

Re: NBA 2K17 Defensive Settings Community Wiki

Guys, I haven´t read the whole thread, but I´ve watched Sam Phans tutorials on Defense.



I´m still having problems with PnR Defense. (MyTeam, Ruby League)

I though using soft hedge should be the best option here. (soft hedge + go over on PnR + help with no rotation)



I can defend on-ball, but my big man always helps and lets his player roll to the basket, even if I defend perfectly on-ball.



Okay, I can play off-ball defense on the roll man. Sure, but my AI on-ball defender has no chance against good PGs.



What´s the best way to defend PnRs then?

This has been my experience too, then I try to help with a 3rd defender off the ball and my opponent gets an automatic 3 everytime. Even if I just make a move towards the paint with the 3rd defender, it feels like the game keeps me from getting back even when using someone like Marion. Half the time I feel like I'm fighting against an invisible force to get my guys to go manually where I want them too, even with stout defenders.

[Johnnythelegend]

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I haven't read the whole thread, but what about icing the pick and roll, that's how i would prefer to defend pick and rolls, is it useful, has anybody tried it?

[clinthc0003]

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I haven't read the whole thread, but what about icing the pick and roll, that's how i would prefer to defend pick and rolls, is it useful, has anybody tried it?

I've tried it quite a bit, but it's really inconsistent. Sometimes the big drops back like he should, but sometimes he comes up very high similar to a hard hedge. I can't tell if it's a mistake by the CPU or if they are coming up to try to deter the ballhandler from using the screen. If that is what he is trying to do, then that is a mistake in programming. It should always be the responsibility of the ballhandler's primary defender to fight over the screen and deter the drive and the hedge man should be responsible for containing the drive.

Another weird thing is that when you select Ice as the pick and roll setting the hedge option is greyed out, but when you do this on the Center pick and roll settings, the hedge option remains active.

[ThatMichiganFan]

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I haven't read the whole thread, but what about icing the pick and roll, that's how i would prefer to defend pick and rolls, is it useful, has anybody tried it?

When icing the P&R, the on-ball defender is usually in good position and does his job, but the big man is usually WAY too high, and is easily beaten by the ball handler. If you want to run an ICE scheme, I would recommend that you control the big man and make sure he drops back instead of coming up and getting burned.

[sperlz_99]

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Hi sam I'm wandering if you can help me. I'm a huge fan ofor your work by the way.
I've started a myGm game on hall of fame difficulty with utah jazz and I feel as though I'm conceding too many points each game. I feel that unless I slow the tempo when im in possession each game I will always concede over 110 points.
I really want to be more solid. The defensive settings I use before the game are switch on the on ball screen and I then set marking to tight on good players and smother on superstars. That is all that i do currently.
I feel the field goal percentage against me is too high and I want to know if there are settings that I can change in my defence to position my defence better and not give away as many uncontested shots.
Thank you

[QNo]

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Hi sam I'm wandering if you can help me. I'm a huge fan ofor your work by the way.
I've started a myGm game on hall of fame difficulty with utah jazz and I feel as though I'm conceding too many points each game. I feel that unless I slow the tempo when im in possession each game I will always concede over 110 points.
I really want to be more solid. The defensive settings I use before the game are switch on the on ball screen and I then set marking to tight on good players and smother on superstars. That is all that i do currently.
I feel the field goal percentage against me is too high and I want to know if there are settings that I can change in my defence to position my defence better and not give away as many uncontested shots.
Thank you

These are my current settings. They're largely the ones SamPham recommends, but with a few changes.

Defensive Settings:

> ACE off
> Universal settings:
on-ball tight/off-ball auto/force baseline
PnR defense: over/catch/over/catch; switch off-ball screens
- you still wanna go over/under manually, depending on the specific opponent

3/4 bottom / no pre-rotate / switch all / help & no rotation / help

> Off-ball settings for PG-SF:
great shooters = deny, good shooters (75+) = tight, ok shooters = moderate, bad shooters: gap
PG: extend pressure (unless your PG is not a good defender)

>Bigs:
off-ball pressure 'auto' (only go tight/deny on extremely good shooters)

- Great post players: dig ('double-team post')

>ACE packages ('POE'):
Shrink the floor/play physical
- Only use these if you have set the PnR defense as seen above, otherwise the CPU will hard hedge, which is terrible.

Your big is very slow? Try no hedge (center) instead of catch hedge.

Also, this year, you have to play off-ball at least 30-40% of the time, otherwise the CPU will leave the paint wide open.

[just Mudiay]

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guys I wonder what you think... so I'm playing in a German SIM league and we got strict rules which also provide on ball defense, it's a STRICT rule and been for years. But since 2K put the cursor off the game in online games (for whatever reason!!??) I wonder if guys use it to their advantage and dont defend on ball anymore...

So I was playing this guy last night and saw some things. I usually put on a few highlights from every game with some nice plays but I really struggled against his defense which I thought was off-ball so I couldnt run many plays to get my shooters open...

just curious what you guys think... I'm the Nuggets in this video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD-Fb0W9HFc

[alabamarob]

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guys I wonder what you think... so I'm playing in a German SIM league and we got strict rules which also provide on ball defense, it's a STRICT rule and been for years. But since 2K put the cursor off the game in online games (for whatever reason!!??) I wonder if guys use it to their advantage and dont defend on ball anymore...

So I was playing this guy last night and saw some things. I usually put on a few highlights from every game with some nice plays but I really struggled against his defense which I thought was off-ball so I couldnt run many plays to get my shooters open...

just curious what you guys think... I'm the Nuggets in this video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD-Fb0W9HFc

Few questions for you.

1. Why is there 100 percent onball rule in your league?
2. Do you personally have a problem with people not playing 100 on ball versus you?
3. If you are running your offense how would you know which guy he was controlling?
4. If you are running an offense why does it matter which guy he controls?
5. You couldnt run your plays because he knew which plays you were running?
6. Why would off ball defense prevent you from getting your shooters open?

I may be able to answer your question knowing this info.

[just Mudiay]

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1. I've been playing in German SIM league since 2k7 now and we have that rule since then, so it's just the way we want to defend. We want user-vs-user in every aspect. KI on-ball defense is overpowered imo.

2. yes, because I can beat an user-controlled defender waaay easier than beating the KI on hall of fame. they always seem to stay in front of me. switching to correct players in certain situations is totally fine to me.

3. we cant KNOW thats why I said because they took that cursor away under the players that are controlled. you can only guess..

4. because let's say I run a play where my SG gets two screens and comes out at the three point line, say 45 degrees. If you defend my PG while I stand in that spot, there's a 70-30 chance I get a good look. But if my opponent plays as the defending SG, he will run around the screens manually and run right into the spot so I cant get a good look.

5. He didnt know which plays I was running BUT he could see which players were coming off screens off-ball. So he just picked them up to not let them get open.

6. Because it's way easier to go around off-ball screens off-ball. Didnt Sam Pham say the same thing in one of his vids? it's not like it's using a glitch or bug or whatever. I'm running plays all the time to get my shooters open (even on the nuggets lol)

[QNo]

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I take as much pride in on-ball defense as anyone, but having that rule in 2k17 is pretty stupid. The off-ball AI is so bad, I could probably score 200 points running the same play every possession.

It's hard, but I'm really focussing on playing more off-ball in my online games now, as playing on-ball 90%+ of the time is a massive weakness in my game that I need to address.

[alabamarob]

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1. I've been playing in German SIM league since 2k7 now and we have that rule since then, so it's just the way we want to defend. We want user-vs-user in every aspect. KI on-ball defense is overpowered imo.

2. yes, because I can beat an user-controlled defender waaay easier than beating the KI on hall of fame. they always seem to stay in front of me. switching to correct players in certain situations is totally fine to me.

3. we cant KNOW thats why I said because they took that cursor away under the players that are controlled. you can only guess..

4. because let's say I run a play where my SG gets two screens and comes out at the three point line, say 45 degrees. If you defend my PG while I stand in that spot, there's a 70-30 chance I get a good look. But if my opponent plays as the defending SG, he will run around the screens manually and run right into the spot so I cant get a good look.

5. He didnt know which plays I was running BUT he could see which players were coming off screens off-ball. So he just picked them up to not let them get open.

6. Because it's way easier to go around off-ball screens off-ball. Didnt Sam Pham say the same thing in one of his vids? it's not like it's using a glitch or bug or whatever. I'm running plays all the time to get my shooters open (even on the nuggets lol)

Thanks for the response.


1. "Shooting the gap" is a basic basketball strategy. So if your opponent sees a shooter coming off a screen why is it not ok for him to either shoot the gap or beat you to the spot? Nothing in basketball is free or guaranteed. It doesnt seem fair to the defense to have to let the play happen and then defend. I was taught that most of your work is done before the offensive player catches the ball. Not giving up off ball jumpers is "unsim?" Its ok to rely on the CPU off ball defense to defend the shooters because the offense will get an open look, but not ok to rely on the cpu onball because the cpu will not giveup an open look?


2. I am sure you run a good offense with proper spacing so you shouldnt care which defender is user controlled. The only reason that would matter is if you are trying to take advantage of the users lack of on ball defense to get easy points which doesnt seem "sim." Example, i am playing the Grizz and i cant drive on Allen or Conley because they are good defenders, is it "sim" to find which one of those 2 are user controlled so i can get a layup?


If you guys main focus is who has the best stick skills then I understand your frustration. But, if you guys are running plays and trying to out think your opponent I am confused about what your opp did wrong.

[just Mudiay]

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thanks for your post buddy. the original question was just if you guys SEE what I see if he defended off the ball or not. I just wanted to make sure if the guy who controlled the Mavericks in my video played off

I get that people think that off ball D is sim and that it should be 'allowed' to do. But I just don't like it. I feel like QNo there, I take pride in it as I want to be the man that stops the ballhandler primarily.

[alabamarob]

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thanks for your post buddy. the original question was just if you guys SEE what I see if he defended off the ball or not. I just wanted to make sure if the guy who controlled the Mavericks in my video played off

I get that people think that off ball D is sim and that it should be 'allowed' to do. But I just don't like it. I feel like QNo there, I take pride in it as I want to be the man that stops the ballhandler primarily.

Couldnt tell. But if you had 5 turnovers the entire game, i doubt he was off ball.

[sperlz_99]

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These are my current settings. They're largely the ones SamPham recommends, but with a few changes.

Defensive Settings:

> ACE off
> Universal settings:
on-ball tight/off-ball auto/force baseline
PnR defense: over/catch/over/catch; switch off-ball screens
- you still wanna go over/under manually, depending on the specific opponent

3/4 bottom / no pre-rotate / switch all / help & no rotation / help

> Off-ball settings for PG-SF:
great shooters = deny, good shooters (75+) = tight, ok shooters = moderate, bad shooters: gap
PG: extend pressure (unless your PG is not a good defender)

>Bigs:
off-ball pressure 'auto' (only go tight/deny on extremely good shooters)

- Great post players: dig ('double-team post')

>ACE packages ('POE'):
Shrink the floor/play physical
- Only use these if you have set the PnR defense as seen above, otherwise the CPU will hard hedge, which is terrible.

Your big is very slow? Try no hedge (center) instead of catch hedge.

Also, this year, you have to play off-ball at least 30-40% of the time, otherwise the CPU will leave the paint wide open.

That's great Info and much appreciated. My biggest problem seems to be defending in the paint. Particularly against good bigs. For example mozgov scored 30 points against me for the lakers and that's just too much. So how would you recommend I setup to minimise someone like mozgov scoring so many. Are you saying if I'm getting killed inside to set to dig double team post?