Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

[ph33]

Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

lol facts. i have lots of builds but i just feel this game aint like last year. im getting bored of playin it.

I'm in the same boat even with 4 players (two fully grinded). I'm honestly not sure why though, it is a combination of a few things.

Walk on games are you totally miserable unless you are running with a full squad, and in that case you might as well do PA because there's a chance mostly everyone on the other team quits and you're stuck in a game with 5 AI.

And in PRO AM it seems like you play one of the two: a team that is really bad or a team that just exploits you know what.

To top it off, I have one player I like and prefer to use, but some guys I like running with pretty much have the same type of player, so I'm always stuck with my secondary or tertiary player. It would be really nice if they swapped places with me for once, but I know they can't because they weren't gifted an exorbitant amount of VC like I was.

I know exactly what I'm getting into when I boot this up so all what I wrote above isn't a complaint, it is what it is. But I've found that I like playing squad games the most and if the number of people I'm running with is dwindling, then that doesn't encourage me to want to play, since there is no quality matchmaking at all.

Soooo if anyone ever needs an extra to run with give me a shout out. Lol. Happy to play whatever role needed

[howardphillips214]

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Had lots of fun running on my slasher the last day or so. Had a streak of about 6 games 30+ points or more in walk on. But then.... It happened.

I had been running with just straight booboo randoms and I'll admit to ball hogging more than just a bit. I found it better when I went in with 2 others on my team and they were just throwing prayers to just show them how dominant I can be and they usually got mad and quit, lol. So quite often I'd be running 1 vs 3 and just brutalize the other team for not having any true bigs on their team.

All day long, just murdering randoms. Then, my buddies get on and we go to the park. First few games I was on my slasher and my buddy brought out HIS pure slasher too because idk the heard me talking about how I was killing randoms. My other friend was a stretch rebounder so we thought it would work. Having one shooter on park is not enough. 2 people in the paint constantly makes it impossible to drive and my center friend was only a secondary shooter anyways. So I got on my point forward and we ran some but I was salty because I told them I wanted to grind for HOF posterizer but whatever.

Then after 10 or so games, probably won a good 7/10 but we decide to go walk on. So I get back on my slasher, one buddy gets his sharp, the other his athletic finisher. We got matched up with a team of 5 and we picked up a center, I was the 2 guard with CPU running point.

My sharp friend proceeds to hang 30 on them in a half, but the score is close and I'm getting frustrated because they were sagging off me, leaving him open and completely killing my Lanes to drive, I had like 7 assists but I'm trying to get contacts. Do second half I start being more aggressive, but the constant sagging and the help defense from the center kept making me go for stupid layups instead of throwing it down. I didn't once draw any fouls and I got so frustrated I kept driving and throwing bull****. The second I started driving tho, my sharp buddy starts groaning like I'm not feeding him anymore even tho he's been throwing prayers all game, the second they stop falling and I'm trying to get going it's immediately my fault.

Needless to say, I finished at a poor percentage and literally stopped playing defense or moving without the ball because my sharp friend feels like if I'm not feeding him then I'm not playing team ball, rather than realizing he wasn't scoring at ALL without me feeding him in the first half, to which he started not passing the ball back at all in the second half to help keep the team momentum going.

Essentially, I'm saying I understand I got frustrated and I truly may have thrown the game, but it's not fun to have a teammate who thinks they need the rock every play just because they're hot. I get feeding the hot hand, but the second they started keying on him he should have WANTED me to penetrate to draw the defense vs. complaining I'm getting shut down. When you're a ball stopper, you don't get to complain when you stop getting fed since you're not helping the team, you're looking at your numbers. My power forward friend ended with 4 shots, I had 13, but you had 20+ shots on at least 9 assists from me but you call out my slasher as the problem?

Basically, I'm tired of teams being able to sag off and it be as effective as it is. If you're standing outside the restricted area just playing hands up, my slasher should still have the advantage. Whether drawing the foul, ir a contact layup.

[ph33]

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Had lots of fun running on my slasher the last day or so. Had a streak of about 6 games 30+ points or more in walk on. But then.... It happened.

Basically, I'm tired of teams being able to sag off and it be as effective as it is. If you're standing outside the restricted area just playing hands up, my slasher should still have the advantage. Whether drawing the foul, ir a contact layup.

Allow me to offer a counter-perspective here...

The guy you ran with wasn't being a good teammate. But quite frankly, you weren't being one either, and that's never going to help the cause.

You went into the game thinking "I'm going to grind for posterzier" you had an agenda and when you weren't fulfilling it, it made you frustrated. You "literally stopped playing defense or moving without the ball" which I'm sure you know isn't a good solution either.

"My sharp friend proceeds to hang 30 on them in a half, but the score is close and I'm getting frustrated because they were sagging off me, leaving him open and completely killing my Lanes to drive, I had like 7 assists but I'm trying to get contacts" ----- If the formula for winning the game meant that you were going to facilitate more and drive less, then you should have been glad with that.

Sorry, I don't know you or your friends that you're running with, so I may have missed some of the rest of it, but reading through that raised my eyebrows a few times. Just trying to be respectably frank here. Your friends aren't perfect but nobody is. Just keep that in mind.


With all that said, I understand how amazingly annoying it is to play with somebody who just wants to blame everybody else. So please don't take my post as a hit piece on you.

It's good to find a group of people who are willing to change it up for the good of the team. Luckily, I run with people who do so. "You're bringing your inside big? Ok I'll get my outside" And then a few games later we'll swap it up, understanding the boredom of just using one guy.

[howardphillips214]

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Allow me to offer a counter-perspective here...

The guy you ran with wasn't being a good teammate. But quite frankly, you weren't being one either, and that's never going to help the cause.

You went into the game thinking "I'm going to grind for posterzier" you had an agenda and when you weren't fulfilling it, it made you frustrated. You "literally stopped playing defense or moving without the ball" which I'm sure you know isn't a good solution either.

"My sharp friend proceeds to hang 30 on them in a half, but the score is close and I'm getting frustrated because they were sagging off me, leaving him open and completely killing my Lanes to drive, I had like 7 assists but I'm trying to get contacts" ----- If the formula for winning the game meant that you were going to facilitate more and drive less, then you should have been glad with that.

Sorry, I don't know you or your friends that you're running with, so I may have missed some of the rest of it, but reading through that raised my eyebrows a few times. Just trying to be respectably frank here. Your friends aren't perfect but nobody is. Just keep that in mind.


With all that said, I understand how amazingly annoying it is to play with somebody who just wants to blame everybody else. So please don't take my post as a hit piece on you.

It's good to find a group of people who are willing to change it up for the good of the team. Luckily, I run with people who do so. "You're bringing your inside big? Ok I'll get my outside" And then a few games later we'll swap it up, understanding the boredom of just using one guy.

Admittedly, you're right. And I believe I said something to that effect.

I guess, in summary, when you have a player like me that typically does whatever is needed for the team, it's surprising to still have people you run with that don't appreciate that. My point was, dude .. You got 30, you're scoring, but as a TEAM we're not going to win if the formula is just giving you the ball. Because they did, they started keying on him in the second half. But not one, when they're bringing the double, did he think "maybe my teammate is FINALLY gonna get a lane and start drawing the D to stop him. I only ever get frustrated when people don't recognize what we have as a team and can utilize them. His 20+ shots, maybe 5 possessions he could have passed up an inevitable miss to a cutter. That's the point.

[ph33]

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Admittedly, you're right. And I believe I said something to that effect.

I guess, in summary, when you have a player like me that typically does whatever is needed for the team, it's surprising to still have people you run with that don't appreciate that. My point was, dude .. You got 30, you're scoring, but as a TEAM we're not going to win if the formula is just giving you the ball. Because they did, they started keying on him in the second half. But not one, when they're bringing the double, did he think "maybe my teammate is FINALLY gonna get a lane and start drawing the D to stop him. I only ever get frustrated when people don't recognize what we have as a team and can utilize them. His 20+ shots, maybe 5 possessions he could have passed up an inevitable miss to a cutter. That's the point.

Yeah, you acknowledged it for sure.

Completely agreed with you. I have made it a point to not play with unpleasant people anymore. Some people don't simply don't get *it*.

Anyways sorry to have derailed the thread temporarily my dudes. Time to get back to figuring out who our 10th created character should be :P

[JustCallMeSleepy]

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Had lots of fun running on my slasher the last day or so. Had a streak of about 6 games 30+ points or more in walk on. But then.... It happened.

I had been running with just straight booboo randoms and I'll admit to ball hogging more than just a bit. I found it better when I went in with 2 others on my team and they were just throwing prayers to just show them how dominant I can be and they usually got mad and quit, lol. So quite often I'd be running 1 vs 3 and just brutalize the other team for not having any true bigs on their team.

All day long, just murdering randoms. Then, my buddies get on and we go to the park. First few games I was on my slasher and my buddy brought out HIS pure slasher too because idk the heard me talking about how I was killing randoms. My other friend was a stretch rebounder so we thought it would work. Having one shooter on park is not enough. 2 people in the paint constantly makes it impossible to drive and my center friend was only a secondary shooter anyways. So I got on my point forward and we ran some but I was salty because I told them I wanted to grind for HOF posterizer but whatever.

Then after 10 or so games, probably won a good 7/10 but we decide to go walk on. So I get back on my slasher, one buddy gets his sharp, the other his athletic finisher. We got matched up with a team of 5 and we picked up a center, I was the 2 guard with CPU running point.

My sharp friend proceeds to hang 30 on them in a half, but the score is close and I'm getting frustrated because they were sagging off me, leaving him open and completely killing my Lanes to drive, I had like 7 assists but I'm trying to get contacts. Do second half I start being more aggressive, but the constant sagging and the help defense from the center kept making me go for stupid layups instead of throwing it down. I didn't once draw any fouls and I got so frustrated I kept driving and throwing bull****. The second I started driving tho, my sharp buddy starts groaning like I'm not feeding him anymore even tho he's been throwing prayers all game, the second they stop falling and I'm trying to get going it's immediately my fault.

Needless to say, I finished at a poor percentage and literally stopped playing defense or moving without the ball because my sharp friend feels like if I'm not feeding him then I'm not playing team ball, rather than realizing he wasn't scoring at ALL without me feeding him in the first half, to which he started not passing the ball back at all in the second half to help keep the team momentum going.

Essentially, I'm saying I understand I got frustrated and I truly may have thrown the game, but it's not fun to have a teammate who thinks they need the rock every play just because they're hot. I get feeding the hot hand, but the second they started keying on him he should have WANTED me to penetrate to draw the defense vs. complaining I'm getting shut down. When you're a ball stopper, you don't get to complain when you stop getting fed since you're not helping the team, you're looking at your numbers. My power forward friend ended with 4 shots, I had 13, but you had 20+ shots on at least 9 assists from me but you call out my slasher as the problem?

Basically, I'm tired of teams being able to sag off and it be as effective as it is. If you're standing outside the restricted area just playing hands up, my slasher should still have the advantage. Whether drawing the foul, ir a contact layup.

I get where you’re coming from. I’m not throwing shade. Just some dude on the internet’s opinion.

Erm, it seems like the recurring theme of the story here is that you feel dominant while alone with your slasher, but want to remain dominant when you have a team. However, when you play with friends, you ultimately sacrifice personal dominance for a team-centric attack that will sometimes dwindle your stats. Some games aren’t meant for you to be the high point man. Some team games, you gotta decoy, or be the assist man, or the extra pass man, spacing man, screen man, whatever. And yeah, your buddy got trigger happy. You also were getting itchy, because you wanted to display some of your own greatness. You can’t have it both ways.

Also, as a pure slasher, no. I should not have to play you, and respect your shot as if you have one if you don’t. No. You shouldn’t be able to barrel into me to draw a foul or evade me with a head of steam, because I’m laying off your wack a** shot. That’s bailout central. You just don’t mind forcing it with randoms, bc f*** how they feel, you’re the only one out there that matters.

Ultimately, you should take up your frustrations with your teammates, to help you guys find a better balance where everyone’s happy.


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[howardphillips214]

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I get where you’re coming from. I’m not throwing shade. Just some dude on the internet’s opinion.

Erm, it seems like the recurring theme of the story here is that you feel dominant while alone with your slasher, but want to remain dominant when you have a team. However, when you play with friends, you ultimately sacrifice personal dominance for a team-centric attack that will sometimes dwindle your stats. Some games aren’t mea Int for you to be the high point man. Some team games, you gotta decoy, or be the assist man, or the extra pass man, spacing man, screen man, whatever. And yeah, your buddy got trigger happy. You also were getting itchy, because you wanted to display some of your own greatness. You can’t have it both ways.

Also, as a pure slasher, no. I should not have to play you, and respect your shot as if you have one if you don’t. No. You shouldn’t be able to barrel into me to draw a foul or evade me with a head of steam, because I’m laying off your wack a** shot. That’s bailout central. You just don’t mind forcing it with randoms, bc f*** how they feel, you’re the only one out there that matters.

Ultimately, you should take up your frustrations with your teammates, to help you guys find a better balance where everyone’s happy.


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I got you, and I don't take offense to it either. I admitted I was getting frustrated. Lol the point remains as someone who primarily runs point, I've got 3 difference "point guards" as I have a point forward as well. If I was trying to run point that game I would have gotten him. Lol by the end of the 3rd quarter I'm telling you "alright lemme get some shots up"?! That's not what I was running that dude for.

But I disagree, if everyone can just sag off my player and double teams never draw fouls and I'm pump faking, spinning, trying to fake you out then yeah I should get some BS calls. I have nothing else then. If they would have given a slasher a 70 3 ball and a shot creator a high it mid 80 then the game would be more balanced.

[Housh123]

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Pure slasher the most worthless pro am archetype ever. I had to tell my best damn friend that I’m not running with him if he picks his pure slasher. It’s just too hard to win with one even if they are great. Iv seen dudes guarding slashers who literally guard other players off the ball like the slasher doesn’t even exist. If i run my pure post with a slasher i just assume Ima have 2 dudes guarding me every play.

So yeah you can dunk on dudes and that’s fun but you also ruin your team’s offense by making it 4 on 5 and you can’t even dunk if the other team is smart and guards Your drives correctly.


I think they should take even more shooting from pure slashers. 70 3ball on pures would be devastating to the games balance because i guarantee that dudes who master their release will shoot over 50% from 3.

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[Housh123]

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Walk on games are you totally miserable unless you are running with a full squad, and in that case you might as well do PA because there's a chance mostly everyone on the other team quits and you're stuck in a game with 5 AI.

2k desperately needs to create another tier of walk on. Like a casual walk on, and a ranked walk on. That is my favorite mode but even i admit that it’s unbearable 80% of the time. Your lucky to play 10 games and get at least 3 fun games out of that 10. I was on my pure post earlier and went 15/20 and lost because my PG went 8/24. This 2k is PLAGUED by a ridiculous amount of point guards who only made Playmaker their primary so they can speed boost and shoot more.




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[franzis]

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Pure slasher the most worthless pro am archetype ever. I had to tell my best damn friend that I’m not running with him if he picks his pure slasher. It’s just too hard to win with one even if they are great. Iv seen dudes guarding slashers who literally guard other players off the ball like the slasher doesn’t even exist. If i run my pure post with a slasher i just assume Ima have 2 dudes guarding me every play.

So yeah you can dunk on dudes and that’s fun but you also ruin your team’s offense by making it 4 on 5 and you can’t even dunk if the other team is smart and guards Your drives correctly.


I think they should take even more shooting from pure slashers. 70 3ball on pures would be devastating to the games balance because i guarantee that dudes who master their release will shoot over 50% from 3.

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I agree to some extent.
Among the pure archetypes, slashers are probably the least useful in pro am.


Still, they can get almost automatic baskets to your team, if they know how to cut off the ball (and your teammates are looking for it) or are allowed to some 1on1 iso plays against a not defender archetype.

[bar_burry]

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I recently made a sharpshooting post scorer and I like the build more than my sharpshooting athletic especially on defense since he’s stronger and at least gets rim protector to help my post d a little bit. He’s also a better shooter especially from the mid so I can score a little bit more efficiently than my athletic where I’m more compelled to either get behind the 3 or take it to the rack even though I don’t miss a lot of mids with my athletic anyway I still green more on the post scorer, only drawbacks is that he’s 5 speed slower which is negligible but he finishes almost as strong anyway.

[Foldzy]

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Pure slashers can be downright dominant if used right

[JustCallMeSleepy]

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I got you, and I don't take offense to it either. I admitted I was getting frustrated. Lol the point remains as someone who primarily runs point, I've got 3 difference "point guards" as I have a point forward as well. If I was trying to run point that game I would have gotten him. Lol by the end of the 3rd quarter I'm telling you "alright lemme get some shots up"?! That's not what I was running that dude for.

But I disagree, if everyone can just sag off my player and double teams never draw fouls and I'm pump faking, spinning, trying to fake you out then yeah I should get some BS calls. I have nothing else then. If they would have given a slasher a 70 3 ball and a shot creator a high it mid 80 then the game would be more balanced.

No problem. Glad we can be adults on that first front.

Now about that slasher... man. I like slashers. I have a Slashing shot creator and a playmaking slasher. I love slashers. I had a slasher last year. 2k16, I had an inside pg. I love slashers. Listen. If I have to respect a young d wade or a young MJ, young LBJ with jumpers like they have 70+ 3 ball; they’re absolutely, positively, bs. When I’m guarding a sharp, I can dare them to drive. I want them to. That’s their weakness. If I’m guarding a slasher, I’m daring them to shoot. If I’m guarding a Playmaker or a shot creator, I’m weary of the threat of both, but more than likely, I’m watching my ankles and the mid range.

This game needs checks and balances ONLINE. Perhaps not for people like you, but definitely for dudes that don’t mind exploiting everything to the fullest extent. So if I can’t sag off of you at the 3, because you can’t run at me, and still have an advantage anyway, there’s no point.

Take Ben Simmons for example. Early in the year, teams were legit giving him FEET to shoot uncontested to a comical extent. He, being extraordinarily talented, even at his age, took advantage of that to build a running start, and still score in the paint. However, after a few months, teams starting adjusting, and now his ppg and efficiency has taken a dip, because that’s just not how Slashing works against competent defense. It’s just an adjustment period AND most importantly, good cooperation from your teammates to put you in the best position to do you.

Y’know?


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[ph33]

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I do think teams need one or two players that can finish inside at an efficient/trustworthy level. I feel like I am more effective in the half court when I have my slashing shot creator because it draws help more often and I feel much more confident that I can finish and not get some soft serve animation.

In my opinion, the pure slasher isn't bad, but it's also not *that* great unless it's very badged up at high levels. And like others said, that slasher will need teammates to give him space and play to his strengths.

I think a hybrid is better just because you can get a decent 3 point rating (In 2k, Decent = 50% lol) and I think slashing secondary is good enough. I used to wrestle between slashing playmaker and shot creator, but I like the shot creator as a primary better because you really don't need speed boost to beat your man off the dribble, and the shooting is pretty OP. I can definitely tell my player's pass speed/accuracy isn't as good as a playmaker's but those Kwame scenarios don't happen that much (The kind where you drive to the hoop, draw 2, kick to the corner, and your teammate fumbles the ball)

[Ray Vibes]

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I must admit i'm having so much fun using this Sharpshooting Rebounder. He's only 6'11 but i still get so many good blocks on guys who are 7"3. Only build that gives me problems (on any of my builds) are the Rebounding Athletic finishers... I hate them..... with a passion. They sit under the rim and just dunk and it's hard as hell to stop. Anyways, Having gold breakstarter is AMAZING! It's not as effective as 2K16 but I can throw the long pass most of the game and only end up with maybe a couple of turnovers which blows my mind. My friends have been real jealous of all the trip dubs that I've racked up doing so lol. My main issue has been trying to get putback king to gold. I'll grab an offensive board but I've had trouble finishing if someone is under the rim, even though I have the bigman contact dunks now. But other than that I really love using this build and would highly recommend it.

Oh yeah, they can shoot pretty good too.