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  • Rockie_Fresh88
    Lockdown Defender
    • Oct 2011
    • 9621

    #2596
    Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

    Originally posted by 3ShowTime2
    Defending as secondary never makes sense. You get the most important badge (defensive stopper) only on silver which means you wont even be effective against all the badges your opponents have on their secondary archetype. As primary you have it on gold which means you nullify most of their secondary archetype badges while yours maintains bronze. You can be a good defender without the defender archetype, if you also want to gain an advantage "technically" make it at least primary or go lock down.

    Thats from what ive read so far, if anyone has more insight please share...
    That build get rim protector gold , which is more important as a big man. That drops the finishing badges of your opponent not defensive stopper.
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    • 3ShowTime2
      Rookie
      • Apr 2017
      • 379

      #2597
      Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

      True, I saw that and as a C it makes sense then yeah.

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      • Ray Vibes
        Elite Allstar
        • Mar 2011
        • 519

        #2598
        Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

        I promise this was not against computers the entire game. My matchup and a couple others quit right before the game ended. This was my new build Sharpshooting Rebounder. So far so good.

        <a href="https://ibb.co/nQSBP6"><img src="https://preview.ibb.co/mtsd46/26906588_10155840297690977_1988251406_o.jpg" alt="26906588_10155840297690977_1988251406_o" border="0"></a>

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        • Keith01
          Banned
          • Aug 2017
          • 748

          #2599
          Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

          Best 3pt shooting PF build?

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          • Ray Vibes
            Elite Allstar
            • Mar 2011
            • 519

            #2600
            Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

            Originally posted by Keith01
            Best 3pt shooting PF build?
            Pure stretch 4?

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            • Rockie_Fresh88
              Lockdown Defender
              • Oct 2011
              • 9621

              #2601
              Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

              Originally posted by Ray Vibes
              I promise this was not against computers the entire game. My matchup and a couple others quit right before the game ended. This was my new build Sharpshooting Rebounder. So far so good.

              <a href="https://ibb.co/nQSBP6"><img src="https://preview.ibb.co/mtsd46/26906588_10155840297690977_1988251406_o.jpg" alt="26906588_10155840297690977_1988251406_o" border="0"></a>
              Nice ! Glad to see it’s working out for you . Got badges yet ?
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              • jyoung
                Hall Of Fame
                • Dec 2006
                • 11132

                #2602
                Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

                Originally posted by 3ShowTime2
                You can be a good defender without the defender archetype.
                Maybe on the perimeter, if the person you're guarding doesn't have gold/HOF ankle breaker, but definitely not on the inside.

                You need at least silver defensive stopper to keep a post scorer's spin/dropstep moves from trapping your defender in unrecoverable animations.

                And you need at least silver rim protector to stop contact dunk animations from triggering against bigs who have gold/HOF posterizer.

                In this game, badges >>>>>>>> positioning and timing on the inside. If you don't have the right defensive badges to counter your matchup's offensive badges, then you will get worked over by unstoppable two-man canimations.

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                • The Gym Reaper
                  Rookie
                  • Jan 2017
                  • 438

                  #2603
                  Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

                  I still disagree. Guarding a HOF ankle breaker or a 7'3" Post Scorer is not the most fun you'll have, but you can still get stops on them.

                  Anticipation, doing your work early >
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                  • Ray Vibes
                    Elite Allstar
                    • Mar 2011
                    • 519

                    #2604
                    Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

                    Originally posted by Rockie_Fresh88
                    Nice ! Glad to see it’s working out for you . Got badges yet ?
                    Got Hustle rebound to silver and putback king to bronze. Haven't maxed my passing yet so it will take me a while to get breakstarter maxed. I see exactly what you meant by not feeling like you specialize in rebounding because most of the 7'3 guys still snag over you. I'll keep running with him to see if it gets any better for me once I get the badges to higher tiers.

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                    • 3ShowTime2
                      Rookie
                      • Apr 2017
                      • 379

                      #2605
                      Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

                      Originally posted by jyoung
                      Maybe on the perimeter, if the person you're guarding doesn't have gold/HOF ankle breaker, but definitely not on the inside.

                      You need at least silver defensive stopper to keep a post scorer's spin/dropstep moves from trapping your defender in unrecoverable animations.

                      And you need at least silver rim protector to stop contact dunk animations from triggering against bigs who have gold/HOF posterizer.

                      In this game, badges >>>>>>>> positioning and timing on the inside. If you don't have the right defensive badges to counter your matchup's offensive badges, then you will get worked over by unstoppable two-man canimations.
                      Agree, but you can defend spins to a certain degree if you release LT as soon as your opponents spin starts and then hold LS in the direction he is spinning to. Im having a lot of success with that, even against post scorers.

                      But in general, you are right. Yesterday I lost a game that was dominated by a slashing C who did nothing but post up under the ring and trigger a contact dunk. I guess our C did not have any defending archetype but it should not be that easy under any circumstances. Its completely op.

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                      • hanzsomehanz
                        MVP
                        • Oct 2009
                        • 3275

                        #2606
                        Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

                        Originally posted by Ray Vibes
                        I promise this was not against computers the entire game. My matchup and a couple others quit right before the game ended. This was my new build Sharpshooting Rebounder. So far so good.

                        <a href="https://ibb.co/nQSBP6"><img src="https://preview.ibb.co/mtsd46/26906588_10155840297690977_1988251406_o.jpg" alt="26906588_10155840297690977_1988251406_o" border="0"></a>
                        GG! What's your height and weight?

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                        • Rockie_Fresh88
                          Lockdown Defender
                          • Oct 2011
                          • 9621

                          #2607
                          Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

                          Originally posted by 3ShowTime2
                          Agree, but you can defend spins to a certain degree if you release LT as soon as your opponents spin starts and then hold LS in the direction he is spinning to. Im having a lot of success with that, even against post scorers.

                          But in general, you are right. Yesterday I lost a game that was dominated by a slashing C who did nothing but post up under the ring and trigger a contact dunk. I guess our C did not have any defending archetype but it should not be that easy under any circumstances. Its completely op.
                          I can tell you in the paint it makes a huge difference . It’s a shame that we have to rely on badges more than positioning and timing . Good luck guarding a high rated athletic primary build without defensive badges. They can literally press square and score.
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                          • ph33
                            MVP
                            • Oct 2014
                            • 3261

                            #2608
                            Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

                            Originally posted by Rockie_Fresh88
                            I can tell you in the paint it makes a huge difference . It’s a shame that we have to rely on badges more than positioning and timing . Good luck guarding a high rated athletic primary build without defensive badges. They can literally press square and score.
                            But the game makes you feel better by telling you that you had a good shot contest!

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                            • HowDareI
                              MVP
                              • Jan 2012
                              • 1900

                              #2609
                              Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

                              Originally posted by ph33
                              But the game makes you feel better by telling you that you had a good shot contest!
                              The game has also told me "Bad block attempt" even tho I blocked the shot lol

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                              • HowDareI
                                MVP
                                • Jan 2012
                                • 1900

                                #2610
                                Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

                                Finally made my pure point forward..I always hated playing traditional point guard, more of a Ben Simmons/Magic type that likes to grab boards and push the tempo as a bigger player.

                                Expectations: playing walk on, setting the pace of the game getting teammates involved...

                                What's actually going to happen: I'll be put in as a center, abused in the paint, and froze out of the offense.

                                Lol let's go.

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                                I want to look in the mirror and say I did it my way.

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