Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

[fakeassc]

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So far all I've seen is slashing PF/C just dunking all over everybody on YouTube. They even bring the ball up the court pretty well.

Personally I went with a KD build so it's nothing like those. I think the big guys are pretty dominant inside and you will feel it if you have enough strength/athleticism.

Anybody make a Flash DWade build (like a slashing playmaking undersized SG or oversized PG)? That's probably gonna be my fallback if my Shotcreating/Playmaking SF doesn't cut it.

[MoodMuzik]

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So far all I've seen is slashing PF/C just dunking all over everybody on YouTube. They even bring the ball up the court pretty well.

Personally I went with a KD build so it's nothing like those. I think the big guys are pretty dominant inside and you will feel it if you have enough strength/athleticism.

Anybody make a Flash DWade build (like a slashing playmaking undersized SG or oversized PG)? That's probably gonna be my fallback if my Shotcreating/Playmaking SF doesn't cut it.

I'm a 6'4 Slashing/Shot Creating MIA SG... sound like anybody you know?

I can get my assists just by making the right play and rebounds by being in the right place. I prefer a inside out game, if I get hot outside for a game here or there that will be exciting as hell (as it is with Wade) but I'm looking for slashing lanes and playing off ball.

[jackpfree]

Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

So far all I've seen is slashing PF/C just dunking all over everybody on YouTube. They even bring the ball up the court pretty well.

Personally I went with a KD build so it's nothing like those. I think the big guys are pretty dominant inside and you will feel it if you have enough strength/athleticism.

Anybody make a Flash DWade build (like a slashing playmaking undersized SG or oversized PG)? That's probably gonna be my fallback if my Shotcreating/Playmaking SF doesn't cut it.

Ugh that makes me want to try to make a Blake Griffin build again. I tried last year with a 6'10" Athletic finisher but the handles were never right, in 2k18 a driving/playmaking 6'10" PF might be a lot more effective at the kind of playstyle I was going for

[Rockie_Fresh88]

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i wouldnt sleep on the post/pass center.

Quickest post center on the game and it comes with brickwall, decent midrange, good ball control, quick enough for defense, good strength it has no real weakness.

because your half playmaking your speed is a problem for other centers then you mix in brick wall on gold.. you can slide to the rim with quickness for an easy dunk, you can body in the paint, you can hit the midrange, heck you can probably have your guard set picks and you control what happens on offense if you really want. You can mix it up so many ways very versatile.

rebounding seems a little weak though but if you make him a big body you have the strength to easily gain position.

This build will get dimer silver .

[franzis]

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This build will get dimer silver .

How do you know that?

[TheFinalEvent97]

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Looking at some projections for what the ratings will be like from 2KLAB, it looks like the athleticism gap between builds is alot bigger, based on a 6'6 210lbs SG white caps a Pure Defender gets 94 Vertical, 94 Speed, 94 Acceleration, a Pure Sharp gets 75 Vertical, 70 Speed, 70 Acceleration
For context in 2k17 a 6'10 minimum weight slasher gets 78 Vertical, 73 speed, 75 Acceleration, last year a 7'3 stretch had roughly 41 speed, 34 acceleration so this year it is probably even lower.

[Housh123]

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I feel like defensive archetypes are gonna suck again (except for that time LDD was pretty fotm in 2k17). I feel like 2k needs to buff the athleticism of LDD archetypes because that's how a lot of NBA defenders make their living. By being athletic and recovering well against athletic offensive players.

They won't suck at all. They'll just finally play how they are supposed to play. Your not supposed to be able to score in variety with LDD. 2k knows they misbalanced them last year and made 100% sure they didn't make that mistake again


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[nyk_fatboy]

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rebounder/athletic
should easily dominate pro-am. Park too if you have good teammates. Downfall - No floor spacing to offer

Post/rebounder
should dominate pro-am/park i think overall its the most balanced because it can do multiple things and give you some spacing.
Downfall - lacks in speed/lateral quickness

Post/driving - my personal favorite the "iso god center" its an all around nightmare, its like the perfect balance. This is like baby shaq, if your stuck on what to make id have to vouch for this build here.
Downfall- ? i cant even say, it has it all if i had to give one maybe rebounding but the max rebounding on it has many white bars.

these are my 3 overall favorites i feel you can use in ALL modes with not to much of an issue

[Rockie_Fresh88]

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They won't suck at all. They'll just finally play how they are supposed to play. Your not supposed to be able to score in variety with LDD. 2k knows they misbalanced them last year and made 100% sure they didn't make that mistake again


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Some of the best defensive players in the league were also great scorers or had great abilities in other areas like passing or rebounding. Scottie Pippen , Kawhi , Hakeem , Kareem , Jordan , Gary Payton , Alonzo Mourning , Kevin Garnett, Tim duncan , Dwight , Marc Gasol , Draymond Green. People act like every defensive player ever was a Tony Allen type player. For real though how many defensive players in their 90s OVR has no other skill.

[nyk_fatboy]

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Should I make my 7'3 Defending/Rebounding C max weight? I wanted good speed but maybe strength will be more important.

id probably do 295 - 300 max you dont want to lose much of whatever quickness you have left from going 7'3 i dont think many players will even try you if your a defender center.

Most important thing to remeber in pro-am is your bound to run into anything including stretch bigs running the 5, you dont want to be slow to the point you cant get out there in time to contest. and the game doesnt auto contest for you anymore either so youll have to make sure you can get out there in time. unless your team plays a certain way where you never leave the paint then yeah just go 340.

post scorers are really the only archetype i feel actually gain a huge benefit from going max weight.

[fysens]

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Somebody with the game early is live streaming . He is a primary slasher , secondary sharpshooter SG. I saw some of his secondary badges which included : glue hands , freethrow ace , ankle breaker , and defensive stopper .

Every build gets defensive stopper bronze ? Is it a big jump between silver and bronze?

Could you actually see the max levels of the secondary badges anywhere (whether they reach silver or bronze)?

[Rockie_Fresh88]

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How do you know that?

Nah I'm not 100% lol sure but @Choops4life said it's POSSIBLE for a big with secondary playmaking to get dimer silver.

Studying the chart You get 2 HOF , 6 silver badges , and 6 gold. Most of the main badges of your secondary archetype will be silver.

All of the main post badges are listed. You still have 3 gold and 6 silver to figure out. Now let's list the main playmaking badges: dimer , Pick n roll maestro , lob passer , ankle breaker , and flashy passer.

@Choops4life already said bigs won't be getting any ankle breakers. I assume break starter gets thrown in for bigs. So you have 5 playmaking badges to fill in between 3 gold , 6 silver , and 9 bronze. I say it's a high chance one of them will be dimer.

All speculation though. EDIT: no you cannot see the max levels

[Housh123]

Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

Some of the best defensive players in the league were also great scorers or had great abilities in other areas like passing or rebounding. Scottie Pippen , Kawhi , Hakeem , Kareem , Jordan , Gary Payton , Alonzo Mourning , Kevin Garnett, Tim duncan , Dwight , Marc Gasol , Draymond Green. People act like every defensive player ever was a Tony Allen type player. For real though how many defensive players in their 90s OVR has no other skill.

That's why I said able to score in variety.

If you can score as a defensive specialist you most likely can only score in one way efficiently. That's why I really like the dual archetype system. It's gonna lead to more combinations that show realistic play



Let's look at last years best defenders


Patrick Beverly can't score in all types of ways. He's a lockdown with a nice 3 ball. Gobert is a lockdown with dunking. Andre Roberson can't do jack but dunk. Kawhi and Jimmy Butler are extreme cases of guys who play elite D AND put up 20 ppg. They are superstars. Honestly I don't think 2k wanted us to have superstars last year. They wanted us to make players complimentary to each other and fill roles.



All I was saying was 2k designed lockdowns to defend and not do all they did on 2k17. We kinda broke the game to make lockdowns great scorers


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[nyk_fatboy]

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That's why I said able to score in variety.

If you can score as a defensive specialist you most likely can only score in one way efficiently. That's why I really like the dual archetype system. It's gonna lead to more combinations that show realistic play



Let's look at last years best defenders


Patrick Beverly can't score in all types of ways. He's a lockdown with a nice 3 ball. Gobert is a lockdown with dunking. Andre Roberson can't do jack but dunk. Kawhi and Jimmy Butler are extreme cases of guys who play elite D AND put up 20 ppg. They are superstars. Honestly I don't think 2k wanted us to have superstars last year. They wanted us to make players complimentary to each other and fill roles.



All I was saying was 2k designed lockdowns to defend and not do all they did on 2k17. We kinda broke the game to make lockdowns great scorers


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i think last year was pretty much intended to play the way it did. they gave each archetype some form of life on offense because there was no alternative.

introducing dual archetypes eliminates that completely and now you simply play true to your archetype. If you want to do something else then make it part of your archetype.

[franzis]

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The most downgraded archetype in comparison to 2k17 is clearly the pure PG/point forward.


last year you could build a nice two way player.


now they seem almost useless and not funny to use (low layup, no dunk, no vertical, no steal, no blocks).