Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

[redsfan4life]

Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

The most downgraded archetype in comparison to 2k17 is clearly the pure PG/point forward.


last year you could build a nice two way player.


now they seem almost useless and not funny to use (low layup, no dunk, no vertical, no steal, no blocks).

Calling them useless is hilarious. They have max speed/ballhandling and a decent 3 point shot.

[franzis]

Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

Calling them useless is hilarious. They have max speed/ballhandling and a decent 3 point shot.

they are pretty useless if you wanna do something else other that dribbling and running.


in 2k17 you could give up something in shooting and became a pretty decent defender.


or gave up something in playmaking and atleticism and became a pretty decent finisher.


in 2k18 you cannot decide your style of play if you go with the pure playmaker archetype.

[Rockie_Fresh88]

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That's why I said able to score in variety.

If you can score as a defensive specialist you most likely can only score in one way efficiently. That's why I really like the dual archetype system. It's gonna lead to more combinations that show realistic play



Let's look at last years best defenders


Patrick Beverly can't score in all types of ways. He's a lockdown with a nice 3 ball. Gobert is a lockdown with dunking. Andre Roberson can't do jack but dunk. Kawhi and Jimmy Butler are extreme cases of guys who play elite D AND put up 20 ppg. They are superstars. Honestly I don't think 2k wanted us to have superstars last year. They wanted us to make players complimentary to each other and fill roles.



All I was saying was 2k designed lockdowns to defend and not do all they did on 2k17. We kinda broke the game to make lockdowns great scorers


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If we are on the road to 99 why should we model our player after Patrick Beverly and Andre Roberson lol ? But I know what you mean.

[nyk_fatboy]

Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

anybody know the mid-range on a rebound/post? i want to make that build the most but not if i cant hit a open mid range jumper.

[HowDareI]

Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

Ive actually started over like 5 times now and I'm still not sure what I wanna do lol I actually hate this.

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[nobody17929]

Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

I think I'm going a 7' rim protector. All hall of fame badges is going to be so useful when everyone is an offensive archetype with post scoring as either one of the two, as that seems to be the wave now and I really don't care about the offense that much as long as I can knock down a semi open mid and dunk without it rimming out 50% of the time

[de5m0n]

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What do you guys think of a:

6'8 SF
Low Weight like 210
Max Wings
Max Shoulder

Primary Shot Creator
Secondary 3 Point Shot

this build comes with 3 HOf badges (tireless, difficult shots and mid range deadeye).

Lay ups look to be in the low 80s, dunks 75 midrange 90 3 pointer 85 so scoring is pretty good.

downside i see is thta he will be pretty slow with a projected 80 speed.

I made a slashing defender in the prelude and the guy had no shot so i dont wanna be a lame duck on offense if i can't cut which will probably be harder this year with less shooters to stretch the floor.

[nyk_fatboy]

Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

I think I'm going a 7' rim protector. All hall of fame badges is going to be so useful when everyone is an offensive archetype with post scoring as either one of the two, as that seems to be the wave now and I really don't care about the offense that much as long as I can knock down a semi open mid and dunk without it rimming out 50% of the time

funny part is Majority of the 2k community has no clue how to even work the post. there are some good ones out there but most of these dudes are stretch bigs and glass cleaners at heart.

[Rockie_Fresh88]

Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

funny part is Majority of the 2k community has no clue how to even work the post. there are some good ones out there but most of these dudes are stretch bigs and glass cleaners at heart.

Most people who made post scorers last year didn't even know how to use them .

[HowDareI]

Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

What do you guys think of a:

6'8 SF
Low Weight like 210
Max Wings
Max Shoulder

Primary Shot Creator
Secondary 3 Point Shot

this build comes with 3 HOf badges (tireless, difficult shots and mid range deadeye).

Lay ups look to be in the low 80s, dunks 75 midrange 90 3 pointer 85 so scoring is pretty good.

downside i see is thta he will be pretty slow with a projected 80 speed.

I made a slashing defender in the prelude and the guy had no shot so i dont wanna be a lame duck on offense if i can't cut which will probably be harder this year with less shooters to stretch the floor.

I tried that in the prelude and it was too slow for me...so I think I'm going with a 6'8 SG instead

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[catcher_0_3]

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To Demon:

I think that build can work if you want to play Iso-Joe basketball. Thinking Melo/Joe Johnson build. Would need the team around you to create space and them be ok with you being a volume shooter, because as you touched on, there will be a variety of ways for you to score. But it will be hard for you to gain space or keep up on the defensive end

[Thunderhorse]

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I played a lot and I saw one legit post scorer in thousands of games.

I saw a lot of guys try and fail because their teammates wouldn't give them the iso, mine included.

[ViolenceFight]

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I played a lot and I saw one legit post scorer in thousands of games.

I saw a lot of guys try and fail because their teammates wouldn't give them the iso, mine included.

Yeah. Most people can't read the cuts right either and just end up clogging the post because of impatience.

I'd feel bad feeding the post sometimes, since kids wouldn't let them work down there.

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[Rockie_Fresh88]

Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

Yeah. Most people can't read the cuts right either and just end up clogging the post because of impatience.

I'd feel bad feeding the post sometimes, since kids wouldn't let them work down there.

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One problem we had with a post scorer was even when we gave him plenty of space he was steal spammed to death. He did try to pass out quickly but it rarely worked out. One on one would be almost a guaranteed bucket though .

[Rockie_Fresh88]

Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

One thing I can do though , pure LDDs who are good will be a pain to play against lol .