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  • DakkoN
    All Star
    • Sep 2006
    • 5611

    #826
    Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

    Disagree 100%. If anything, Lockdowns are going to be more valuable than last year due to people having way fewer HOF badges this year. You're turning all those dudes with split archetypes to mush with HOF defensive stopper. Their elite athleticism and strength lets them be very good rebounders as well.

    But LDDs have zero offence while everyone else can still get lateral quickness higher than LDD
    I don't know where you got this, because Lockdowns are the only archetype that can hit 20-25 bars of lateral quickness with pure Defender the only one that can get 25. Playmaker/Defender gets 20 fully maxed out and everyone else is below.
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    • ph33
      MVP
      • Oct 2014
      • 3261

      #827
      Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

      Originally posted by DakkoN
      Disagree 100%. If anything, Lockdowns are going to be more valuable than last year due to people having way fewer HOF badges this year. You're turning all those dudes with split archetypes to mush with HOF defensive stopper. Their elite athleticism and strength lets them be very good rebounders as well.

      I don't know where you got this, because Lockdowns are the only archetype that can hit 20-25 bars of lateral quickness with pure Defender the only one that can get 25. Playmaker/Defender gets 20 fully maxed out and everyone else is below.
      You have a point, but I still think the value of a true LDD or even a secondary LDD gets diminished when non-defensive archetypes can get a bronze defensive stopper. A LDD may still get some amazing abilities, but I guess what we'll soon find out is just HOW much better and whether or not the offensive trade-off is worth it.

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      • Zvonimir Boban
        Rookie
        • Aug 2009
        • 40

        #828
        Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

        Originally posted by DakkoN
        Disagree 100%. If anything, Lockdowns are going to be more valuable than last year due to people having way fewer HOF badges this year. You're turning all those dudes with split archetypes to mush with HOF defensive stopper. Their elite athleticism and strength lets them be very good rebounders as well.



        I don't know where you got this, because Lockdowns are the only archetype that can hit 20-25 bars of lateral quickness with pure Defender the only one that can get 25. Playmaker/Defender gets 20 fully maxed out and everyone else is below.
        I meant their lateral quickness is higher than the LDD's shooting.

        So the LDD impotent offence isn't matched by equally poor defence of offensive archetypes.

        Compared to 2K17, sacrificing all your offence for defence isn't worth it when everybody else gets defensive stopper and passable defence.

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        • BuckeyeBlitz23
          Rookie
          • Jan 2014
          • 14

          #829
          Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

          I plan on making a 7'3" defending/rebounding center to do the dirty work for my pro am team. I love the fact that I get HOF Rim protector and bruiser. Those two badges and gold defensive stopper should help shut down anybody going with an all-out offensive build who wants to come to the paint.

          I'm unsure what my weight should be though. I'm tempted to max it out and just bully everybody in the paint, but I also don't want to be too unbearably slow..

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          • Trent Booty
            MVP
            • Jan 2015
            • 2572

            #830
            Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

            Should I make my 7'3 Defending/Rebounding C max weight? I wanted good speed but maybe strength will be more important.

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            • Trent Booty
              MVP
              • Jan 2015
              • 2572

              #831
              Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

              Originally posted by BuckeyeBlitz23
              I plan on making a 7'3" defending/rebounding center to do the dirty work for my pro am team. I love the fact that I get HOF Rim protector and bruiser. Those two badges and gold defensive stopper should help shut down anybody going with an all-out offensive build who wants to come to the paint.

              I'm unsure what my weight should be though. I'm tempted to max it out and just bully everybody in the paint, but I also don't want to be too unbearably slow..

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              Lol we have the exact same question and posted at the exact same time. Love the HOF badges on this build, bruiser is my all time favorite badge and I love getting blocks more than anything in this game.

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              • BuckeyeBlitz23
                Rookie
                • Jan 2014
                • 14

                #832
                Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

                Originally posted by Trent Booty
                Lol we have the exact same question and posted at the exact same time. Love the HOF badges on this build, bruiser is my all time favorite badge and I love getting blocks more than anything in this game.
                I just have a feeling that people just won't be able to help themselves and will go with 2 offensive archetypes, making defenders even more valuable. Stop them from scoring, then grab the rebound. Simple

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                • GradyMac
                  Rookie
                  • Nov 2012
                  • 421

                  #833
                  Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

                  Originally posted by fakeassc
                  Yup. It's crazy how 2k18 made LDD so limited with no offensive power but have all the offensive archetypes a free bronze Defensive Stopper badge.

                  It's almost like 2k doesn't want people to make the LDD archetypes. 2k themselves not respecting the defensive side of basketball. It's embarrassing.
                  I seem to remember a lot of people saying similar things about the LDD last year. When people started playing them and saw how they cause bobbles and can lock down sharps they started to spread a little.

                  I could be wrong.

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                  • sparkybob
                    Rookie
                    • Sep 2016
                    • 78

                    #834
                    Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

                    The problem with LDD I had was most of their HOF badges just weren't that good. Defensive Stopper and Pick Pocket,Rim Protector,Bruiser were great of course but everything was lackluster to me.

                    Pick dodger worked sometimes but even when the badges popped up the screen did enough damage to slow me down. Charge card is 100% useless at the park though I guess it's ok in Pro Am. Chase Down Artist is bad because as far as I know, it doesn't provide a speed boost in transition defense or anything to put you in position to get a block.

                    I just wish they gave me both pick pocket and rim protector to really improve my defensive abilities. I am fine with no offense if I didn't feel that any good playmaker can school me in iso.

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                    • kdurantmvp
                      Pro
                      • Mar 2012
                      • 527

                      #835
                      Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

                      I wonder what the badges are for a playmaker/3pt shooter.

                      My friend decided to make a big man so I'm going with a guard.


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                      • nyk_fatboy
                        Pro
                        • Dec 2013
                        • 708

                        #836
                        Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

                        i wouldnt sleep on the post/pass center.

                        Quickest post center on the game and it comes with brickwall, decent midrange, good ball control, quick enough for defense, good strength it has no real weakness.

                        because your half playmaking your speed is a problem for other centers then you mix in brick wall on gold.. you can slide to the rim with quickness for an easy dunk, you can body in the paint, you can hit the midrange, heck you can probably have your guard set picks and you control what happens on offense if you really want. You can mix it up so many ways very versatile.

                        rebounding seems a little weak though but if you make him a big body you have the strength to easily gain position.
                        Last edited by nyk_fatboy; 09-11-2017, 11:18 PM.

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                        • kdurantmvp
                          Pro
                          • Mar 2012
                          • 527

                          #837
                          Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

                          Originally posted by nyk_fatboy
                          i wouldnt sleep on the post/pass center.

                          Quickest post center on the game and it comes with brickwall, decent midrange, good ball control, quick enough for defense, good strength it has no real quickness.


                          If only that build got gold dimer


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                          • nyk_fatboy
                            Pro
                            • Dec 2013
                            • 708

                            #838
                            Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

                            Originally posted by kdurantmvp
                            If only that build got gold dimer


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                            doubt it lol maybe in the bronze or silver

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                            • ClassicMan
                              Rookie
                              • Dec 2015
                              • 344

                              #839
                              Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

                              Originally posted by Trent Booty
                              Should I make my 7'3 Defending/Rebounding C max weight? I wanted good speed but maybe strength will be more important.
                              Won't matter if u want decent speed cause u will b slow as f**k lol

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                              • Housh123
                                Banned
                                • Jan 2011
                                • 1173

                                #840
                                Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

                                Originally posted by kdurantmvp
                                If only that build got gold dimer


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                                Big thing I'm waiting on


                                But as long as it gets at least silver dimer illl choose it.


                                If it gets no dimer there's an issue


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