Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

[derrtyRedd]

Re: Dual Archetypes Confirmed... Thoughts? Combinations?

Are you sure you can make a PF/C with playmaker archetype? I thought it was only 3 pts/dunk/post score/defense/rebound ?

They confirmed big men can have playmaking as a secondary

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[catcher_0_3]

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Here's the best video I've seen. If someone wants to go through and started adding up digits I'm sure they would get lots of likes.

https://youtu.be/oQW_hbjP6qg

[ZBoo50]

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Here's the best video I've seen. If someone wants to go through and started adding up digits I'm sure they would get lots of likes.

https://youtu.be/oQW_hbjP6qg

this is also good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOV9OdDMIp0

[catcher_0_3]

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this is also good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOV9OdDMIp0

That guy literally filmed his screen of my video (not my video just the link I posted) and commented over it.

[ryocoola31]

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Been wondering the same thing...

Yeah seems like they tied to 3pt and mid range so yeah kinda only makes shot creators the master of everything mid range and little bit from every offensive other archetype (some dunking, 3pt, post scoring). 3pt off the dribble seems lost for shot creators making sharpshooters ridiculous 3pt shooters if so. I hope not

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[illwill10]

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I see now why some say Dual Archetypes aren't a good idea. Some Dual Archetypes are trash. Where as Defending 3pt, you might max at 60. Where some of the secondary attributes will cap at or around 60-75. So it wouldn't really be worth it. But that's not to say some Dual Archetypes are great. Some look to be powerful. Some Archetypes mesh well to get you good caps. So I will and suggest others to look through all the positions and archetypes to see which one suits you best.

I love that individual ratings are back. But looking at the video and other pics, It doesn't show all the ratings. It doesn't show Shot Inside/Close, On Ball Defense, Free Throw(hopefully back this year, know there is a badge), and others. Hopefully they are still upgradable.

[harryl]

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I think I'm going a combo of post scoring and playmaking

Caps will decide which is primary

It's a little bit of a shame, to me, that they package together Ball Handling and Passing, because your example above makes me think about how "Post Scoring Playmaker" would be the avenue to try to make a player in the vein of all these guys:

• Jokic
• Walton
• Sabonis
• Noah

But Jokic is the only one for whom one needs the ball handling to mimic. Meanwhile, of course, all of those guys above really need tertiary and quaternary archetypes to really flesh out.

[Housh123]

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It's a little bit of a shame, to me, that they package together Ball Handling and Passing, because your example above makes me think about how "Post Scoring Playmaker" would be the avenue to try to make a player in the vein of all these guys:

• Jokic
  
• Walton
  
• Sabonis
  
• Noah
  

But Jokic is the only one for whom one needs the ball handling to mimic. Meanwhile, of course, all of those guys above really need tertiary and quaternary archetypes to really flesh out.

They changed it bro. Every attribute can be upgraded individually

So you can have a center with highish passing but zero ballhandling. Which exist in players like Jaokim Noah and Pau Gasol


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[tunnelhausen]

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ALL PG BUILDS IN 2K18: I watched a lot of streams today and made this table myself. Hope it's helpful. If you find errors, please tell me, it has been a lot of numbers.

Try to make more but the streams mostly featured PG builds.

Updated version: https://twitter.com/dunkeschoen/stat...41750099013634

[harryl]

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They changed it bro. Every attribute can be upgraded individually

So you can have a center with highish passing but zero ballhandling. Which exist in players like Jaokim Noah and Pau Gasol

Yeah, it's nice that they split up the buckets. But there's still the bundling of ratings one can increase the max of, right?

So you can forsake Ball Handling for Passing, but to get the high Passing max, but then you're not fully exploiting the benefit of the archetype you're locking in.

But probably worse, if there's only 2 Archetypes, to split up Ball Handling and Passing. I think I'm still dwelling on the fundamental limit that Dual Archetypes imposes.

I haven't played MyPlayer for a couple years, so I don't really understand all the implications to gameplay balance. So I can think it would be great to have, say, Archetypes dictate starting ratings and attainable badging, but to just allow players to distribute all available attributes as they see fit, without caps.

There's probably a million illustrations as to why that would lead to a sh!tshow in MyPlayer modes.

[poetinjune]

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Great vid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQW_hbjP6qg&feature=youtu.be

At 6:50, the guy scrolls through the primary options for power forward, and there is no playmaking option. Playmaker can be chosen as a secondary though.

Well, there goes my brainstorming a Ben Simmons build

Still, props to 2k for introducing the dual archetype system. Hope 2k19 is more open-minded allowing us more options.

[catcher_0_3]

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Great vid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQW_hbjP6qg&feature=youtu.be

At 6:50, the guy scrolls through the primary options for power forward, and there is no playmaking option. Playmaker can be chosen as a secondary though.

Well, there goes my brainstorming a Ben Simmons build

Still, props to 2k for introducing the dual archetype system. Hope 2k19 is more open-minded allowing us more options.

I think it's an option for Center, you could make a short Center?

[poetinjune]

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They confirmed big men can have playmaking as a secondary

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I think it's an option for Center, you could make a short Center?

Ah sorry, I didn't clarify.
I wanted to play as a ball-handling 4, like Ben Simmons or Miami Heat Lebron. Grabbing the defensive board, pushing the ball up the court, and threading the pass.

Not having the option of being playmaker as primary option for bigs means you can't really do that. You can have playmaking as a big's secondary option, but I see from the video that the caps for ball-handling and passing are MUCH lower.

Going shorter would probably make the big faster with the ball, but it's still not the same as a primary playmaker.

All in all though, I give props to 2k for listening to the community and making our players more than one-trick ponies. Just hoping 2k19 does not restrict primary options based on position, so we can be more creative with our builds.

[redsfan4life]

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Ah sorry, I didn't clarify.
I wanted to play as a ball-handling 4, like Ben Simmons or Miami Heat Lebron. Grabbing the defensive board, pushing the ball up the court, and threading the pass.

Not having the option of being playmaker as primary option for bigs means you can't really do that. You can have playmaking as a big's secondary option, but I see from the video that the caps for ball-handling and passing are MUCH lower.

Going shorter would probably make the big faster with the ball, but it's still not the same as a primary playmaker.

All in all though, I give props to 2k for listening to the community and making our players more than one-trick ponies. Just hoping 2k19 does not restrict primary options based on position, so we can be more creative with our builds.

If you want to make a Ben Simmons type just make a 6'9 playmaking/rebounding SF. That seems like a great build to me.

[poetinjune]

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If you want to make a Ben Simmons type just make a 6'9 playmaking/rebounding SF. That seems like a great build to me.

Yea man, that might be the next best thing.