Perimeter Defense Seems Way Too Tight - Smothering

[alabamarob]

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The cpu as far as I can tell don’t take stepback 3s


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Depends on team. Harden shoots alot of stepbacks.

[sirdez]

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The cpu as far as I can tell don’t take stepback 3s


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Pretty much every CPU opponent spams off ball screens and curls for me.

[alabamarob]

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Pretty much every CPU opponent spams off ball screens and curls for me.

Yep. They all run the same freelance. That leads to open 3's and cuts all day. Especially since every player passes like Jokic.

[Eddie1967]

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I'm at the point where I can forgive the AI warping and psychic reactions, but I cannot move past the low amount of three point attempts -- it is just so jarring to me how the game plays out of the box knowing how the modern NBA plays.

These kind of complaints are interesting. What team where you playing with or against? Surely you don't expect all teams to just rain threes. Is this a real issue?

[m29a]

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It depends on expectations, for sure. I don't expect all teams to play the same -- if I am against the Bulls, Spurs, or Raptors, I do not expect them to rain threes. But checking Basketball-reference, and having played against every team several times by now, I think many of the top half of the league in 3 pt attempts could be more aggressive in their attempts. Teams like the Bucks, Knicks, Heat, and Thunder are notable in my experience that could have more 3 pt attempts.

It's just a bit too often after a game, I check the % of total shot attempts being 3s and I see less than 20% of those shots and I shake my head. The lowest I should see is about 30-35% of all attempts give or take. Really just about every third of an attempt should be a 3, if not slightly more, that's simply where the league has gone. When this game sports "NBA" on the cover, it does bring certain expectations, and I don't expect perfect replication, but player tendencies, and certainly more dynamic defensive adjustments by the AI need to be improved for this game to be a true simulation -- if that is the goal.

This topic has been well discussed by now but the AI treating pretty much every player on the perimeter like they're prime Curry is hilarious and also will inherently lowers 3 pt attempts.

Maybe it's my style of defense I play where I am very cautious, and I know the sharpshooters in the league to watch out for, but I think there are clear improvements to be made in replicating the league where it stands now when each year the number of 3s taken in games have ticked up more and more.

[phenom1990]

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Yep. They all run the same freelance. That leads to open 3's and cuts all day. Especially since every player passes like Jokic.

So I believe from last year that the best way to deal with this is to update team’s playbooks and adjust play type priorities for them. You may also want to play around with the runs plays slider under each Coach profiles.

[howardphillips214]

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Just picked this up today. 90 ball handling with no badges feels like I'm in quick sand. Ja Morant stonewalls me all the way out of bounds even tho I'm trying to get space.

Silly at this point.

[topwater]

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Just picked this up today. 90 ball handling with no badges feels like I'm in quick sand. Ja Morant stonewalls me all the way out of bounds even tho I'm trying to get space.

Silly at this point.

It's laughably bad how every defender is prime Gary Payton and/or treats every ball handler like they are Steph. The level of physicality is pretty absurd. Despite roster edits, badge edits and slider changes there are still a lot of issues that are baked in and cannot be fixed. The length of time some animations take and the amount of space they use up is a big culprit.

I played the new NHL over the weekend and movement in that game is more precise, which is kinda crazy. Still hoping to find a fix after some patches come, because they (and even the daily updates) change gameplay quite a bit.

A few fixes I think that may help out a lot of people is to set all PnR options in the coaching sliders is to go under for both human and AI. Also set defensive pressure to everyone including shooter to moderate. It helps. I also set all guard screens to switch. These have helped me enjoy it a bit more.

[sirdez]

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In a semi-related issue, the "invisible boundaries" that allow the CPU to stay inbounds when their momentum and/or your good D takes them to the sideline or baseline is quite prominent. They claimed to have fixed this in a later patch last year but it still occurs multiple times each game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTfcij9HsVc

Here you can see Oladipo play great D on Bogdanovic, forcing him to the baseline. Unfortunately rather than going out of bounds, Bogdan is able to straddle the line, bounce the ball sideways and get back around for a clean look and foul. So the user is actively penalised for playing great D because of faulty game mechanics.

The physics of CPU player movement are really poor at the moment. They're just not realistically affected by momentum and can stop and change direction too quickly.

[howardphillips214]

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Playing career on All-star. 80 perimeter defense at 6'6. I CANNOT get stops consistently on anyone.

I'm on the Mavs and have played the Clippers twice. Russ went 2-4 from deep in both games. I played COMPLETELY off him but he can still barrel towards me and get And 1s. I'm like "oh hey, it's Russ tho".

I agree, it should be DIFFICULT to get stops on Dame, Fox, and Ja. It shouldn't be IMPOSSIBLE.

So far this year is I miss everything at the cup, Luka and Kyrie miss bunnies ALL the time. The CPU stonewalls me no matter who is in front of me. Even on switches, I'll get MILES PLUMLEE on me and even with Silver badges now he shades me all the way there to get a foul. I pass to people WIDE OPEN under the hoop and it takes foreeeeever for them to take a shot and by that time the ABSURD paint defense is there and they miss.

Derek Lively is having a rough year. My big man is shooting .48 percent from the floor. And that's with me trying to get him going on Alley oops.

Last night I ooped him and he missed a soft finish Alley oop uncontested. I mean they HATE finishing at the cup this year.

But I mean EVERY jump shot the CPU takes is cash. Swish, no bounce or anything. And it doesn't matter who's shooting either. Deep threes, cleaners, doesn't matter.

How is this game in this state a MONTH after release?

[Bigrich170]

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Guys like you complain and 2k quietly updates the game and make things easier for you some of us like smothering defense it's the NBA not street ball in real basketball you have to work for a clean shot not just run around breaking ankles

[topwater]

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Guys like you complain and 2k quietly updates the game and make things easier for you some of us like smothering defense it's the NBA not street ball in real basketball you have to work for a clean shot not just run around breaking ankles

I legit don't think you even know what you mean. We're saying NBA defense isn't that physical and smothering. There are also rules in the NBA that prevent it. Nobody wants to run around and spam dribble moves to try and snatch ankles like street ball. I even said it in a previous post.


You might like artificially difficult defense that defies the laws of physics and NBA rules because you want a challenge, but saying it's an accurate representation of NBA basketball and even how human beings locomote is just plain wrong.

[Rawdeal28]

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Your passes are way too slow, allowing the CPU to beat the ball to the spot. It's really out of whack.

The at the other end the CPU can pass at warp speed. I've currently got my pass speed at like 70 and the CPU at 20.

yup, every year for at least the last 4 years i raise my pass speed to 65.

its too damn slow at default

[howardphillips214]

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I can't with this game right now.

For HUUUGE times in the game it feels like I have zero control over the outcome. Computer gets what it wants when it wants and puts the screws on me EVERY play.

[LongRoad19]

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I guess it's the case on All Star difficulty and above. And I think it's pretty much hard coded, because I dropped CPU On Ball defense, Defensive Awareness, Defensive Consistency and Contest Shots to Zero and didn't see much difference.



It's sad, because Pro is super easy, but everything above is unbearable at the moment for me.