2023 Offseason Thread

[southernmetalhead]

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I was hoping they hired Mark Jackson to get him off commentary.

[ojandpizza]

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If LA wants to win the title they are going to have to make some more moves. Because that group with the injury issues of AD & Lebron isn't good enough.

It will be interesting to see if they keep Beasley and Bamba around because not having those mid-tier salaries hurt them lately.

The move that needs to be made is trading AD while his value is high, but I don't think that's realistic.

Everything they do in this window will come with the caveat of if those guys are healthy. So that's basically a given.

I wonder what their plans are for AD. I imagine post-LeBron the initial idea of AD being there and building around him for the next however many years doesn't feel like a realistic option anymore. He's always hurt and it doesn't seem like that will change, and even when healthy you almost have to alternate his good/bad games or games/moments he doesn't quite have that motor.

Someone mentioned it the other day but you shouldn't have to rely on LeBron at 38 (and probably not 100%) to really carry the biggest load. And LeBron has actually done a pretty solid job a deferring, the problem is the guy picking up that slack is largely Reaves. They just don't get that "this guy can carry us" motor out of AD. And even the nights AD has is going it's just those floaters are dropping, he's getting some lobs, some put backs, a couple jumpers on the roll or isolated inside. Rarely is AD producing and also playing in a way that gets others looks or creates them opportunities. I always thought a bit of that was Frank and his offensive limitations as a coach, but it's still there now too under Ham.

I don't think they trade AD while he and Bron are there unless they move them both. Which isn't a bad move either. But they are also both expiring next year, do they want to let them both walk, do they want to re-sign them both, do they want to extend AD if Bron leaves? Those are all tricky scenarios for them.

I do think the success this year and the production from Reaves and Rui make their decision-making more difficult. The media from the Klutch/Bron/AD side of things was basically begging them to make roster moves the past two years now and if they did they would win.. And that's been the case so far, they are back in the WCF and are probably a bit better play out of DLo away from maybe stealing two of these games.

If DLo is flipped for 30mil level guy, Bamba and Beasley flipped for another or a 20m + 10m guy, they could make some pretty large improvements in that sense while keeping the core that is currently closing games for them in the WCF. Even keeping DLo on a friendlier deal and moving the other two could improve them quite a bit if they land the right guy(s).

Basically, it's not going to be easy decision making for them.

[illwill10]

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I feel fairly confident that teams will be circling Boston trying to get him. Portland and Houston seem like two obvious ones that will try.


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I would like that fit for Portland. Just not sure if Boston would want a package headlined by Simons and the 3rd pick. I just think that any of those potential trades by bad teams might involve a 3rd team.

Things got scary with a few of the interviews they had but this is about as good a final list as I could have hoped for.


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I'm leaning towards wanting Nurse or Williams for the Sixers. I do think Embiid and Nurse can get over any past differences, it's mostly on Embiid being okay with it.

[ojandpizza]

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LeBron supposedly considering retirement.

[dubcity]

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LeBron supposedly considering retirement.

[emoji2357] maybe he should take a day before talking to Chris Haynes.

[Majingir]

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LeBron supposedly considering retirement.

There's no way he's actually considering it.

This sounds to me like a way to try and force management to do more or claim he's not coming back.

He's even said he wants to play with his son. 0 chance he retires the season before that happens. Although this (23/24) is definitely his last season in LA since he'll go wherever Bronny gets drafted, play that one season at age 40, tied for NBA record for most seasons played, and then retire. MAYBE play 1 more after that if he wants to be the sole leader for most seasons played AND all time leader in games.

[ProfessaPackMan]

2023 Offseason Thread

Bron ain’t giving up that farewell tour, lol

And I also feel like this is the first domino for him telling the Lakers to find a way to get Kyrie. If it’s Bron’s last year, you already know he’s going to want one last swing at a title next year.

[georgiafan]

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Well that didn't take long like 12 hours into them being eliminated and Lakers are already targeting Trae Young without giving up Anthony Davis. Trae is a clutch client and was at the game last night... per some athletic article

[ojandpizza]

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Well that didn't take long like 12 hours into them being eliminated and Lakers are already targeting Trae Young without giving up Anthony Davis. Trae is a clutch client and was at the game last night... per some athletic article

It took less time than that for Kyrie rumors. Both were at the game and have been at multiple laker playoff games this year.

If I’m being honest I don’t know how either of them would have changed much. Either would have provided more offensively than DLo, but neither provide an extra value outside of that.

[georgiafan]

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It seems far fetched even by the 2K generation for Trae to go to LA without giving up AD. Hypothetically It would obviously have to be a 3-team trade with Atlanta mostly getting assets from that 3rd team who AD would go to.

I don't see a top 5 pick from Portland / Houston and whatever else being enough to move Trae unless he demands a trade.

It took less time than that for Kyrie rumors. Both were at the game and have been at multiple laker playoff games this year.

If I’m being honest I don’t know how either of them would have changed much. Either would have provided more offensively than DLo, but neither provide an extra value outside of that.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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LeBron supposedly considering retirement.

Lebron not doing a farewell tour would be one of the most surprising things in my lifetime of following the NBA. No chance in hell.


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[ojandpizza]

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Lebron not doing a farewell tour would be one of the most surprising things in my lifetime of following the NBA. No chance in hell.


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I would assume if he actually retired he would sit a year, watch Bronny at USC, let the feet heal, and then come back to play a year with Bronny which would be his farewell tour..

Regardless I highly doubt that happens either. But I think people do forget you can un-retire lol.

Also I don't think off-season surgery is off the table for him, or at least that's been ongoing talk since March. Maybe by him not being back next year it means not "retiring" but missing the year if he goes that route. They're pretty vague, so it's hard to get a read. I think he's rather just grind out the last couple years should they improve the team this off-season, but I guess we'll see.

[cima]

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LeBron is not retiring. He also was talking about this literally right after getting swept and when emotions are high and logic is lower. He will be back but he will also likely use the threat of retirement as leverage for them to get Kyrie or Trae.

[ojandpizza]

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It seems far fetched even by the 2K generation for Trae to go to LA without giving up AD. Hypothetically It would obviously have to be a 3-team trade with Atlanta mostly getting assets from that 3rd team who AD would go to.

I don't see a top 5 pick from Portland / Houston and whatever else being enough to move Trae unless he demands a trade.

AD has injury concerns and issues with not always having the same "motor" but I feel like there is a substantial difference in trade value between he and Trae. Not saying that the Lakers can get Trae, but the idea of moving AD for him probably isn't even in the realm of possibilities unless both want out and a lot more pieces are involved.

But I mean a healthy and hungry AD is probably, top 5-ish? He has more two-way impact than the older guys, doesn't rely on bad shots and "getting hot" to be effective, and doesn't constantly need the ball. His healthy stretch this year was right there with Joel, Giannis. But with that said he's going to just completely disappear in stretches and only play 40-50 games. So where that leaves him, idk.

[ojandpizza]

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He also was talking about this literally right after getting swept and when emotions are high and logic is lower.

Yeah this is going around on the internet, he's been doing this far too long for me to believe this is even remotely the case. Regardless of if he meant it, using it for leverage, considering surgery, whatever is ultimately is, he knew what he was saying/doing.