2023 Offseason Thread

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Feels like Boston almost has to give him the supermax (assuming he isn't willing to take less). Even with the new CBA incentivizing teams to let players go, he's probably not one they can afford to let walk.

I do tend to think Boston could get better by trading him; just don't think he and Tatum's skillsets are a good fit as the top two guys there personally but I wouldn't blame Boston at all for standing by them. Moving him would be a huge risk.

[georgiafan]

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Yea it makes no sense why Brown would demand a trade this offseason. The clear move is to get the supermax (or close to it) then get a trade down the road.

His supermax $ is going to start at 50 million and end up about 66 million. Its going to be really interesting to see how that plays out. While a great player that's elite superstar $.

Feels like Boston almost has to give him the supermax (assuming he isn't willing to take less). Even with the new CBA incentivizing teams to let players go, he's probably not one they can afford to let walk.

I do tend to think Boston could get better by trading him; just don't think he and Tatum's skillsets are a good fit as the top two guys there personally but I wouldn't blame Boston at all for standing by them. Moving him would be a huge risk.

[BleacherBum2310]

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Feels like before any trade talks can even begin to happen Boston must decide 1st if they will offer him the supermax. Because I don't see him taking less than that. I guess its the thought that whoever trades for him isn't going to lose him after 1 year.

Seems like Boston is in a bit tougher spot now after forcing a game 7 then had they got swept. Its going to be hard to fire a coach that was 1 game from the finals who has event had the job a full year.

there's no way i would give him the supermax. there was a time a few years ago were he was improving every single year but recently he just improved on contested mid range shots where Tatum has improved basically every year at the most important things. Jaylen is probably in the 25-30 range of NBA players but idk his impact stats aren't great. the Tatum-Bench lineups were better than the Tatum and Jaylen lineups. I'm not saying trade him to just trade him but i would at least explore it.

on the coaching aspect I'm honestly fine with bringing joe back with a revamped assistants coaching staff. I think they are losing assistants to HOU anyway which i'm not that heartbroken about. I wasn't that thrilled with the ones that were still left Sullivan is alright he helped with Derrick White's shot but they can do better.

[illwill10]

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Seeing some reports about Sixers possibly targeting Fred Van Vleet if Harden goes to Houston. I would prefer FVV over Harden next year. I just don't see how it's realistic. Even if Harden leaves, they only will only have about $12M in cap space. I'm not sure if they do a salary dump Tobias trade, I'm not sure if that only creates a big trade exception. Only thing that would make sense would be a sign and trade, but even then, Tobias is the only realistic S&T asset and that doesn't make sense for Raptors

[georgiafan]

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Seeing some reports about Sixers possibly targeting Fred Van Vleet if Harden goes to Houston. I would prefer FVV over Harden next year. I just don't see how it's realistic. Even if Harden leaves, they only will only have about $12M in cap space. I'm not sure if they do a salary dump Tobias trade, I'm not sure if that only creates a big trade exception. Only thing that would make sense would be a sign and trade, but even then, Tobias is the only realistic S&T asset and that doesn't make sense for Raptors

I assume if harden goes to philly it would be via sign and trade creating a big trade exception for philly. Since Houston has all that cap space

I saw FVV linked to the lakers also with dlo involved

[illwill10]

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I assume if harden goes to philly it would be via sign and trade creating a big trade exception for philly. Since Houston has all that cap space

I saw FVV linked to the lakers also with dlo involved

I'm assuming you meant Harden goes to Houston. I saw that before about a Sign and Trade to Houston. I just question why Houston would help Philly. Houston can sign him out right and it's not like there is any other team rumored for Houston. Unless Houston wants a someone like Jaden Springer and they're willing to trade KJ Martin. I just don't see why Houston would help Philly

I just really like that fit with FVV if he can stay healthy. obvious downside is that it would be a very small backcourt and for a horrible rebounding team, Harden was a good rebounder, so it would make the team a worse rebounding team. But, FVV is a dawg and Harden isn't. FVV is a more willing combo guard than Harden and more willing to play off ball than Harden. FVV is still a good playmaker. They would just need to trade Tobias and get some more size and athleticism on the wing

[ojandpizza]

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I assume if harden goes to philly it would be via sign and trade creating a big trade exception for philly. Since Houston has all that cap space

I saw FVV linked to the lakers also with dlo involved

I don't know if FVV is much of an upgrade over DLo, but even being the slightest bit more consistent is at least some improvement.

If there is absolutely any smoke to this at all it would seem the Lakers have any easy path to getting him unless Toronto is perfectly fine losing him for nothing. FVV would just need to opt in this year and sign an extension with the Lakers. (Klutch client of course) he would hold the upper hand if that's where he really wants to be, otherwise he could just bounce. Toronto would have to be willing to play along, possibly would if it landed them a pick vs nothing.

Gary Trent Jr has been linked to them for 3 year now and is in the same position. A Klutch client linked to the Lakers who can walk for nothing. Lakers have the moveable contracts to get both. S&T DLo in one trade, trade Bamba+Beasley in another. Both FVV and Trent would need to opt in, a S&T for them would hard cap the Lakers.

Regardless of their being anything there at all retaining everyone on the roster so you can trade and upgrade DLo (if they can) and trade and upgrade Beasley + Bamba (if they can) is the only logical path for them. Worst case scenario they run back the same team with more reps, more chemistry, and a couple new free agents.

The usual targets for them FVV, Trent JR, Turner, Hield, Bogdanovic, they have salaries to match and two firsts to offer this off-season if there is still interest in those guys. Supposedly Bobby Portis wants to go to LAL and play for Ham again, idk what the Lakers could offer or what his value is in terms of picks but it's easy for them to match the money there too.

Biggest issues is what is DLo's value. Who wants him and at what price? Obviously he's going to play hardball with the Lakers because he can walk, but Lakers have a bit of leverage too because who wants to outright sign him for big money? I can't imagine he would be the starting PG on many teams in the league right now, pairing him next to a PG in the backcourt would be limiting too. Seems like the most "realistic" scenario is the Lakers retain him at a decent price and he either plays at the value, or plays so well it becomes a bargain, which give him value to LAL as a player or as a trade piece later on.

[illwill10]

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"Breaking: Monty Williams and the Detroit Pistons have agreed in principle on a six-year, $72 million deal for Williams to become the franchise’s new head coach, sources tell me and @JLEdwardsIII. The deal is expected to be finalized in the coming days."

He got the bag lol

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Seeing some reports about Sixers possibly targeting Fred Van Vleet if Harden goes to Houston. I would prefer FVV over Harden next year. I just don't see how it's realistic. Even if Harden leaves, they only will only have about $12M in cap space. I'm not sure if they do a salary dump Tobias trade, I'm not sure if that only creates a big trade exception. Only thing that would make sense would be a sign and trade, but even then, Tobias is the only realistic S&T asset and that doesn't make sense for Raptors

Not sure if Philly has the salaries to match in a way that makes sense, but theoretically FVV could opt in to his player option and then get traded rather than signing directly with Philly.

Also, if Philly can indeed get to $12 mil in cap space by letting Harden walk (again, I really have no idea about their cap situation), they could theoretically try to dump Tobias and just waive the trade exception to turn it into pure cap space. Teams aren't required to carry the trade exception if they don't want to; it's just a way for them to continue making moves if they're already over the cap.

[illwill10]

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Not sure if Philly has the salaries to match in a way that makes sense, but theoretically FVV could opt in to his player option and then get traded rather than signing directly with Philly.

Also, if Philly can indeed get to $12 mil in cap space by letting Harden walk (again, I really have no idea about their cap situation), they could theoretically try to dump Tobias and just waive the trade exception to turn it into pure cap space. Teams aren't required to carry the trade exception if they don't want to; it's just a way for them to continue making moves if they're already over the cap.

I agree with the matching salaries. Philly doesn't really have mid-tier salaries. They're not moving Tucker or Melton. So it's either Tobias or no deal, and Tobias makes no sense for Toronto unless they are rebuilding and want to free up cap space in '24. I don't see FVV opting in. He's 29 and I don't see his value getting any higher than it is now. His option is for like $22M, I can see him easily getting $30M per.

I do think Tobias won't be hard to trade. Yes his salary is $39M, but it's not like a Westbrook or Wall situation. His issue was never fit, it's salary doesn't match production. If he was making $20M, than his value would be a lot higher. He can be a good stats on a bad team player. His deal is an expiring one as well, so its a added bonus.

[Majingir]

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Harris really only makes sense for the Raptors if they could then easily flip him and get a pick back.

But they also won't be getting a 1st back from Philly due to 76ers dealing picks already, so not sure what benefit there is for the Raptors here. Wouldn't be worth taking on Harris hoping to deal him just to get an extra 2nd round pick or something.

[illwill10]

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Harris really only makes sense for the Raptors if they could then easily flip him and get a pick back.

Tobias Harris has shown that he can adjust his game to fit the teams needs and has shown he can be a capable defender. He can be a good #4 on a championship team. The problem is, ideally he wants to play like a 2nd option. He's a rhythm player, you HAVE to get involved early in games or he won't show up. Early in the season, he was a willing quick catch and shooter, but that regressed after the middle part of the season. He's a good lockerroom guy, and honestly he was the "leader" for the team through the 2020-2022 teams.

He makes sense for two main types of teams. One is a bad team looking to reach the salary cap floor. The other is a team looking to clear the books for the '24 offseason. For the way he wants to play, it's a bad team that wants to reach the cap floor. That team would be willing to take on that contract and just send a small contract, because Harris contract would surely bring any team to the salary cap floor lol. But he also makes sense for an Apron team that wants to clear up the books.

The main problem with a potential Harris trade, is that Philly doesn't have worthwhile picks or trade assets. Only tradeable pick is the 2029 first round pick. Which might be a good pick since Embiid would probably be long gone. Outside of Maxey and Melton, Philly doesn't have young players worth trading for. Only player is Jaden Springer. He has NBA Level Defense, but he hasn't got any PT the first two years. So you're taking the trade for the 2029 first and opening up a lot of cap space for '24

[jeebs9]

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Monty Williams lands again

[illwill10]

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But they also won't be getting a 1st back from Philly due to 76ers dealing picks already, so not sure what benefit there is for the Raptors here. Wouldn't be worth taking on Harris hoping to deal him just to get an extra 2nd round pick or something.

Don't think Sixers even have tradable 2nds until 2025 because of the Tampering penalties. So the only worthwhile draft pick is the 2029 first

[jeebs9]

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Damn Monty can make up to 100 million on this deal. Nice!