2023 Offseason Thread

[ProfessaPackMan]

2023 Offseason Thread

Wait are you referring to the Chris Haynes quote? I forgot Bron couldn't be traded in season. Shows how legitimate Chris Hayens reporting is lol. Bron is clear to be traded now though.

Do the math on how this would work for Dallas(trading for Lebron)and how they would fill out their roster.

Then the first part of my post will make sense. And I’ve seen a few legit people besides Haynes report the same thing. It would be tough…but I know y’all armchairs will come up with a way lol

[ojandpizza]

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Dallas could fill out the roster (better than LAL anyways) so long as they were willing to spend *** tons of tax. They wouldn’t be hard-capped by this trade because there is no S&T. They have bird rights to Wood, Powell, and Kyrie.

Assuming the Lakers would trade Bron for matching salary and draft picks (which I doubt they would unless Bron makes this messy or something anyways so all this is extremely hypothetical) it would take THJ, Kleber, and Bertans to get a deal done. Lakers would likely want one of the young guys too, but just keeping it matching money for the sake of the hypothetical.

Mavs can go over the cap to resign any payer with bird rights. So Kyrie signs, Wood signs, Powell signs.

Roster is Kyrie, Bullock, Luka, Bron, Wood, Powell, JaVale, Josh Green, Jaden Hardy.. they would be in the tax so they would have the tax payer MLE, and then minimum contracts from there.

It’s definitely “possible” no matter how unrealistic, but they would be less limited cap wise than the Lakers. Because either the Lakers gut the roster and Kyrie takes a 10m discount, or they use a S&T for his max to get him and they’ve only got like 20m for the whole roster after they sign Reaves but still gut the whole roster to make that happen.

Hypotheticals aside, Lakers don’t want Kyrie (at least not gutting the roster to get him) and don’t want whatever Dallas can offer for Bron. If Jeanie will actually eat the tax, not saying I would blame her if she doesn’t but that’s how you build a contender unless you’ve lucked into a team full of drafted stars, but if she will they would have lots of more realistic options to make trades using DLo S&T, Beasley and Bamba contracts, and their two first round picks. All while keeping most of their roster.. It just can’t be Kyrie, or anybody else who’s not under contract this off-season because receiving a player via S&T triggers the hard-cap.

Back on the hypothetical train.. all that changes if it’s Davis they trade. I believe there is no way in hell they would do that, but just saying. If he’s traded for Kyrie the hard-cap isn’t as painful with just two max contracts on the roster. Depending on what DLo re-signs for (and I haven’t looked at the exact numbers) but they could likely retain pretty much the whole roster but swap AD for Kyrie, and still use the DLo S&T, Beasley and Bamba deals to pursue improvements from other trades.

[georgiafan]

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If Bron wants to be traded then Golden State would make much more sense then Dallas for everyone. They would become the clear favorites for the title. LA would get better and proven players like Wiggins or Poole and some of the young guys like Moody and Kumanga.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Dallas doesn’t seem super realistic but this reminds me that there was scuttlebutt several months ago (I think originating from Bill Simmons) that Dallas would end up with Draymond and Lebron (and Kyrie and Luka).


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[Majingir]

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Sounds like Hornets could be taking Miller.

If that's actually the case, #3 becomes more valuable for those wanting Scoot.

[King_B_Mack]

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@King - Being seeing the Bulls are interested in locking up Vuc for the next 3 years.. What are your thoughts on that?

All depends on the numbers we're looking at. Think he just made somewhere in the 26-28 mil range last year so how much is he willing to move in the opposite direction of that or stay right around that area and does he balk at a partially or non-guaranteed third year? He'll be 33 this year and I have no interest in paying a 35 year old Vooch 30+ million. He's terrible defensively, but I think he could still be useful if you pair him with a 4 that can do the dirty work he's not going to do.

Ideally for me, the Bulls move DeMar and slide P-Will into his natural position at the 3, get a 4 to put next to Vooch (cause let's face it, who they getting at center if they let Vooch walk?) and finally figure out this point guard situation.

[ojandpizza]

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All depends on the numbers we're looking at. Think he just made somewhere in the 26-28 mil range last year so how much is he willing to move in the opposite direction of that or stay right around that area and does he balk at a partially or non-guaranteed third year? He'll be 33 this year and I have no interest in paying a 35 year old Vooch 30+ million. He's terrible defensively, but I think he could still be useful if you pair him with a 4 that can do the dirty work he's not going to do.

Ideally for me, the Bulls move DeMar and slide P-Will into his natural position at the 3, get a 4 to put next to Vooch (cause let's face it, who they getting at center if they let Vooch walk?) and finally figure out this point guard situation.

Yeah I was thinking you almost had to because if he walks, then what? Just seems lots of people in the Twitter-world aren’t behind it. I doubt he’s going for 30 a year but I guess we’ll see what happens. Not many teams out there to throw tons of cap but he’s only one of the only available bigs. I was assuming closer to 20-25. But like you said, how much is he willing to go backwards.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1666475897858162690?s=46&t=bmmyw4g-qEId3d4KHhv-qw

[ojandpizza]

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Dame to Miami is going hard on the interwebz/NBA Radio right now.

[illwill10]

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https://twitter.com/shamscharania/st...qEId3d4KHhv-qw

I'm all for Harden going back to Houston. If he's seriously interested in Houston, he doesn't care about winning. After doing a lot of research on Nick Nurse the last week, I really dont think Harden and Nurse would mesh well at all. Harden wants to do his own thing, and Nurse doesn't seem like the type to be okay with that. Especially with pounding the ball for 16 seconds in the clock.

The issue is replacing him. Sixers don't have cap space, draft picks, or worthwhile trade assets(outside of Maxey). Even if they did, it is slim pickings. Outside of Kyrie(no thank you), it's FVV and a huge drop off at the PG spot. I'm not sure what to feel about a FVV-Maxey backcourt. It feels like the main options would be to go after FVV, or best case scenario see if Maxey can develop into a lead guard

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Dame to Miami is going hard on the interwebz/NBA Radio right now.

I’m so curious to see what Portland does. They’re going nowhere with Dame. A Miami trade offer is going to be very underwhelming but maybe all the offers they get for Dame will be.


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[ProfessaPackMan]

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Dame to Miami is going hard on the interwebz/NBA Radio right now.

Because of this:

https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/status/1666443901492764673?s=46&t=bmmyw4g-qEId3d4KHhv-qw

[illwill10]

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I wouldn't be surprised if Miami goes after Bradley Beal. Seeing reports that they might go into a full rebuild. I would sense Dame would be Miami's first choice, then Beal as #2

[ojandpizza]

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Because of this:

https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/st...qEId3d4KHhv-qw

Yeah I saw that too.. and to be fair it's one of the only times I've heard him actually engage being traded elsewhere. Question was asked in a way that he almost had to, but in nearly every other example of this he's basically just shut it down.

[Majingir]

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Miami can only trade their 2023 pick since 25/26 is protected.

So if they got a guy like Lillard or Beal, it would probably have to be agreed upon by the draft.

What would the deal even be though?

Heat only have Lowry as a close salary match. Their only hope is Oladipo picking up his PO.

Although, why would Blazers deal Lillard for Lowry, Oladipo and the 18th? Unless they can flip Lowry and Oladipo for 1sts too