2023 Offseason Thread

[J_Posse]

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Washington likely doesn't want to win, so I see them waiving CP3

I also see both Kuzma and Porzingis opting up

Kuz and Porzingis need to be the next two on the trading block. No reason to keep either if you intend to "tank" or finally start over.

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[illwill10]

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"Phoenix will have the veteran minimum and early bird rights to Jock Landale, Torrey Craig to fill out the roster.

They are a projected second apron team for at least the next three seasons."

Only four guys signed. Probably have to flip Ayton for a couple players.

[illwill10]

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Kuz and Porzingis need to be the next two on the trading block. No reason to keep either if you intend to "tank" or finally start over.

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Porzingis and Kuzma have a player option, so they can opt out. Kuzma is definitely opting out since he's only making $13M. Porzingis is the question on whether he'll opt out. He's due $36M. He'll make less on market per year. So it'll be on him whether he'll want to lose out.money this year and secure long term money or opt in and get traded

[illwill10]

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"The Washington Wizards are likely to reroute Chris Paul in a trade and the Los Angeles Clippers are expected to pursue a reunion with the future Hall of Famer, league sources tell @NBAonTNT, @BleacherReport."

[jeebs9]

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"The Washington Wizards are likely to reroute Chris Paul in a trade and the Los Angeles Clippers are expected to pursue a reunion with the future Hall of Famer, league sources tell @NBAonTNT, @BleacherReport."

Back to the Clippers [emoji2961][emoji2961][emoji2961]. Not the LA I thought lol.

This is only the beginning. He might end up on the Bucks at this point [emoji23]

[ggsimmonds]

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Maybe a hot take or some hyperbole, but if both Kuzma and Porzingas exercise their player option and enter free agency, would it be reasonable to argue that last season's Wizards offseason was one of the biggest blunders and instances of mismanagement in recent sports memory?

Wizards would be losing Beal, Porzingas, and Kuzma for what, some 2nd round picks? How do you enter into a rebuild without acquiring any kind of future assets. Its like the Wizards accidentally simulated a full year in nba 2k and forgot autosave was on

[illwill10]

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I wonder how Miami pivots. I do think other teams could beat a potential Dame trade that Miami can offer. I'm not considering that Dame will be available until the draft if Charlotte/other team drafts Scoot at #2. I don't think teams will be as willing to trade up to #3 if Scoot isn't there.

If not Dame, who does Miami pivots too

[BleacherBum2310]

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I think people early on assumed PHX was leverage for Miami but it didn't make sense. Just glad he didn't go to Miami. mad BOS didn't even inquire but whatever. Great deal for PHX but at the same time while it was cheap Beal's salary makes it impossible to get decent depth so i dunno. I thought Beal was underrated when this process began but i now think he's now closer to overrated again.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Maybe a hot take or some hyperbole, but if both Kuzma and Porzingas exercise their player option and enter free agency, would it be reasonable to argue that last season's Wizards offseason was one of the biggest blunders and instances of mismanagement in recent sports memory?

Wizards would be losing Beal, Porzingas, and Kuzma for what, some 2nd round picks? How do you enter into a rebuild without acquiring any kind of future assets. Its like the Wizards accidentally simulated a full year in nba 2k and forgot autosave was on

Ultimately depends on what YOU think of those 2 players on their own.

But to answer your question(as far as all major pro sports go)nah.

[illwill10]

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Porzingis had his best season last year and played 65 games, so I can see teams being interested in him. I see a opt-in and trade and extend for Porzingis. I can see a team like Pacers being interested in Kuzma. Only way Washington benefits is if Kuzma wants to sign with a contender and they want to do a S&T.

Washington likely doesn't want any long term money added to the books unless that player is young and has upside

[dubcity]

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Hasn't even been a week since Denver won, and we're already doing this. It's too early in the day lol. Not interested in Suns or Clippers hype now or ever.

[ojandpizza]

2023 Offseason Thread

Maybe a hot take or some hyperbole, but if both Kuzma and Porzingas exercise their player option and enter free agency, would it be reasonable to argue that last season's Wizards offseason was one of the biggest blunders and instances of mismanagement in recent sports memory?

Wizards would be losing Beal, Porzingas, and Kuzma for what, some 2nd round picks? How do you enter into a rebuild without acquiring any kind of future assets. Its like the Wizards accidentally simulated a full year in nba 2k and forgot autosave was on

This is why the contract was so bad.. How much better would the haul have been if this was 5-10m less a year, without the no trade clause. I’m not saying Beal wasn’t worth a typical max deal, and because he’s been with the same team this whole time his max is just higher because of that.. but I don’t think Washington should have given him that contract, and for damn sure not with the NTC. If signing for a little less than the max pissed him off then trade him while his value is at its highest and move on.

As far as biggest blunder or mismanagement, idk if I’d say that. Too much player movement and rinse and repeat is this league for it to be not somewhat normal.. with that said it was still a massive mistake looking at it all in hindsight. That contract, the NTC, going “all in”, not developing those recent high picks worth a damn at all, and now a shot at losing everyone you named without getting a single first round pick in return?

Even if Kuz and Porzingis stay this year does it really change anything when they can just walk next year? Other than Porizingis having a huge expiring deal neither will likely have first round pick return value anyways. Kuz could maybe get you some decent young player(s) back though.

I mean you can expand that past Beal, Kuz, Porzingis even too. KCP walked for nothing, 2nd round picks for Rui, traded Trez for Ish Smith which they let walk. Between Arenas, Wall, Beal they’ve had possibly the 3 worst contract situations in the past 20 years.

I wonder how Miami pivots. I do think other teams could beat a potential Dame trade that Miami can offer. I'm not considering that Dame will be available until the draft if Charlotte/other team drafts Scoot at #2. I don't think teams will be as willing to trade up to #3 if Scoot isn't there.



If not Dame, who does Miami pivots too

I think Dame trade comes down to two things in terms of other teams beating their offer..

1.) Does Portland try to do Dame a solid based on their history together and help him get somewhere he wants to be so long as the offer is “fair”. And not just take the highest offer.

2.) What type of packages are teams giving up for somebody his age, that they’ve struggled to build a winner around, and at that contract. He’s about to hit 33, had some injuries, I don’t see tons of teams offering up young pieces that are much better than Herro, and multiple firsts. Tons of teams could offer some good players, but assuming Portland goes rebuild they’re going to want a guy like Herro at 23 as opposed to someone maybe slightly better who’s 28.

Knicks would have been a good landing spot, but now they have Brunson.

I think people early on assumed PHX was leverage for Miami but it didn't make sense. Just glad he didn't go to Miami. mad BOS didn't even inquire but whatever. Great deal for PHX but at the same time while it was cheap Beal's salary makes it impossible to get decent depth so i dunno. I thought Beal was underrated when this process began but i now think he's now closer to overrated again.

I want to see how Frank handles the rotation because I honestly don’t think Phoenix even has a depth issue. I was confused when Payne, Ross, Warren were just glued to the bench not getting any minutes. They quit playing Lee later in the season even though he was the best shooter in the league most of last season. Believe he was like 50+% around the halfway point. Craig, Okogie, Landale are all solid role players. Come playoff time you shorten that rotation anyways, Denver played 8 guys basically all postseason. I don’t believe for a second that any 7 of the guys I named there are so bad you can’t play them 10-15 minutes in any give game. Especially when those might be 4-5 minutes at a time.

[DamnYanks2]

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So Book is gonna run point?

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[TMagic]

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I think people early on assumed PHX was leverage for Miami but it didn't make sense. Just glad he didn't go to Miami. mad BOS didn't even inquire but whatever. Great deal for PHX but at the same time while it was cheap Beal's salary makes it impossible to get decent depth so i dunno. I thought Beal was underrated when this process began but i now think he's now closer to overrated again.

I know this has been a discussion we've had before. But it's off-season and we're basketball heads. So why not have it again...

IIIIIII believe that depth is overrated lol

Feels like it gets brought up every time a team puts studs together and sacrifices this theoretical "depth". And most times, it gets proven wrong

Just think about this year as a great example. Nuggets played two guys off their bench in Bruce Brown (he's cool) and Christian Baysinger? Basinjer? Bassinger? Oh, and they sprinkled in some 40 year old Jeff Green too. Champions nonetheless

Miami beat all the top teams in the East with the (overstated) undrafted all stars and Jimmy. Pretty sure before their run, no one was saying they had so much "depth" and how that's going to give teams trouble.

Celtics and Bucks probably had the best depth of anyone. Didn't do them much good this year.

Yet, almost every instance of these super teams leads to success. Sure we've had some lose to some teams that would have been considered inferior talent wise.

But I personally wouldn't chalk that up to a lack of depth. I would put more of that on coaching than anything. Oh, and it also helps to have a superstar of your own that goes on an absolute tear (shout out to Dirk).

Where depth shines is if injuries occur. Or, I don't know, the NFL. Outside of that, the impact is minimal on a team that's top heavy. At least historically speaking (Boston, Miami, GS, Cleveland). Depth is also important if you DON'T have those super mega stars on your team. Sure, that will make you better than a lot of lesser teams. But odds are that team gets beat by the superteams of the world.

We all play 2K. When's the last time you've lost and you attributed that loss to your opponent having better depth and not because of them having Lebron or KD clobbering you into oblivion? [emoji23]

Now, having said all that, not all "superteams" are built the same. Prime Bron/Wade/Bosh or Prime Steph/KD/Klay is not the same as having chronic underachieving Beal/Kobe minus the defense, tenacity, athleticism and leadership/35 year old, post Achilles tear Durant. So my confidence in this working out for them is not too high at the moment either lol

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[ojandpizza]

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So Book is gonna run point?

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Was thinking about this. He’s had experience doing that for them, and has gotten a bit better at that in general, but Beal also has pretty solid combo-guard skills himself.

IMO (armchair GM for Pack here) I think they should go get someone like Kyle Anderson. Let him guard the bigger forwards, and carry a lot of the ball handling playmaking responsibilities. They don’t need much in this spot as far as scoring, shooting, whatever.

Neither Steph or Murray operate as a real “point guard” and that’s worked fine for GS and Denver. With that said both have better natural point guard instincts than either Booker or Beal.