2023 Offseason Thread

[ProfessaPackMan]

2023 Offseason Thread

The Beal Slander on here has gotten wild over the last few years, I’ve noticed lol.

Ultimately, they’re going to get players and picks back in any deal, which is a “lot” in its own right for *most* teams.

[BleacherBum2310]

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Yeah i get it if it's over the contract or him staying healthy, but he's really good.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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And I also feel like the Bucks name getting mentioned is leverage too, which we know these teams/agents love to do thru the media.

I’ve seen enough of it with the Nets and with the Packers.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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And I also feel like the Bucks name getting mentioned is leverage too, which we know these teams/agents love to do thru the media.

I’ve seen enough of it with the Nets and with the Packers.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Bucks leak their name to try to get Miami to pay a little extra for Beal, but FWIW, Beal was one of the players Giannis told the front office to go get back when they ultimately traded for Jrue. I’m sure Giannis still wants to play with Beal if they can get it done, and if they can find a third team to cooperate (which I think they very well could), they can probably top Miami’s likely offer.


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[ojandpizza]

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How is it slander to point out that most teams likely aren’t going to send out 3-4 first round picks for a player who isn’t currently an All-Star, All-NBA, All-Defense, isn’t a top 20 scorer anymore, doesn’t shoot at an elite level from 3 anymore, doesn’t get to the FT line 7-8 times a game anymore, and as of recently is only playing half the season? All while he’s owed 200 million over the next 4 years and has a no trade clause so who’s to say if you get him and it doesn’t work you can even move him for assets later on when he has to approve the trade and other teams already know that, and he’ll be making 58 million dollars..

Nobody said he was “bad” he’s a very good player. But his contract situation is a mess, and even at his best he was never a guy worth that plus a NTC. And he’s not even at his best now, and none of these teams trading for him have any sort of guarantee that he will be.

I have no doubt some team will trade for him and Washington might get some value. But I think the reports hinting at it being lower than expected are probably accurate. No way he’s getting some Mitchell, Gobert, probably even Murray type of deal. And there are very few teams trying to contend that can send out 40mil without losing other pieces that are helping them contend.

But I don’t think it’s slander to act like he’s not a superstar. He’s made 1 All-NBA 3rd team in his 11 years and as of now he’s not at that level anymore. I hope he gets back to it, and even better. He’s still young enough for that to happen. But it’s a 200m gamble, and not a normal Westbrook, CP3 type of bad contract because they couldn’t veto trades like he can.

[ojandpizza]

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Speaking of teams that could realistically make a push, what about Atlanta?

They have Collins 25m, Capela 21m, Bogdanovic 19m, Murray 18m..

Collins is on their trade block, Capela needs to go to make room for OO, Murray has not be the ideal fit, and Bogdanovic has been injured.

Capela-Collins-Murray could get them Beal+Kuz and maybe more as filler..

But I also have no idea how bad Washington wants to be after this trade. That trio might win the more games than they are wanting if the goal is to tank.. of course the three of them could be easily moved elsewhere in other trades too for draft capital.

No doubt Beal and Kuz “fit” better than Murray and Collins for how ATL plays.

On that same note if Atlanta is actually giving consideration to Trae trades would Washington give up picks with Beal to get their next young “star” and ATL just run Murray at the 1?

[ProfessaPackMan]

2023 Offseason Thread

How is it slander to point out that most teams likely aren’t going to send out 3-4 first round picks for a player who isn’t currently an All-Star, All-NBA, All-Defense, isn’t a top 20 scorer anymore, doesn’t shoot at an elite level from 3 anymore, doesn’t get to the FT line 7-8 times a game anymore, and as of recently is only playing half the season? All while he’s owed 200 million over the next 4 years and has a no trade clause so who’s to say if you get him and it doesn’t work you can even move him for assets later on when he has to approve the trade and other teams already know that, and he’ll be making 58 million dollars..

Nobody said he was “bad” he’s a very good player. But his contract situation is a mess, and even at his best he was never a guy worth that plus a NTC. And he’s not even at his best now, and none of these teams trading for him have any sort of guarantee that he will be.

I have no doubt some team will trade for him and Washington might get some value. But I think the reports hinting at it being lower than expected are probably accurate. No way he’s getting some Mitchell, Gobert, probably even Murray type of deal. And there are very few teams trying to contend that can send out 40mil without losing other pieces that are helping them contend.

But I don’t think it’s slander to act like he’s not a superstar. He’s made 1 All-NBA 3rd team in his 11 years and as of now he’s not at that level anymore. I hope he gets back to it, and even better. He’s still young enough for that to happen. But it’s a 200m gamble, and not a normal Westbrook, CP3 type of bad contract because they couldn’t veto trades like he can.

OJ, sometimes I feel like you like to type a lot just to see yourself type. Because if you would’ve just asked me specify what exactly I mean, I could’ve saved you from typing all this, lol.

Edit just to clarify: Some of it is also my fault because as much as I say I can’t stand y’all Armchair GMs, I’m always engaging with it, lol. Also probably I know what y’all think a player’s value is vs. what the people that matter think a player s value is, are always on two different waves. Idk maybe I just hate y’all [emoji23] (not serious about that last part so relax)

I haven’t heard anything about him getting moved for what Mitchell, Gobert, etc or getting moved for some large package(pause)unless y’all are talking about random report from a nobody(NBACentral).

Bringing up the money is kinda silly(at least to me) because we all know Teams will toss that to the side in the name of potential fit and even if it’s a bad contract, it’d be no different than the other bad contracts that have been issued and gotten moved and the ones that will get issued and also moved at some point.

Edit 2: All teams are going to have bad contracts on their roster(unless you’re OKC). It’s on the GM/Coaching to be able to build roster around that bad contract player’s flaws by adding guys who can pick up that end.

Edit 3: Let me ask y’all armchairs this, if he’s not going to get moved for “a lot”, what exactly do you think he’s going to get moved for?

Edit 4: Could’ve used a better word than slander, but the opinion on him as player has definitely gone down, which is fine. But sometimes we get too caught up in just looking at the numbers as opposed to understand the how/why those numbers are what they are.

[illwill10]

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My thing about Beal is the contract and health. I do think Beal and Embiid could be better duo than Embiid and Harden. Beal would be more willing to move without the ball. Embiid would be the best player that Beal has played with and Embiid’s gravity would really benefit Beal. It's just the contract and health lol. Sixers fans have been waiting years to get off Tobias's contract, I doubt we'll want to get onto Beal's contract. Then comes Maxey. Their playstyle is very similar, Maxey just doesn't have the mid range game yet. Maxey will at the very least get a Poole/Herro/Simons type of deal. Having two supermaxes and a near max in this new CBA would be very limiting to roster construction. If I'm going all in for a player on a max deal that will limit team going forward, it has to be a player that would fit alongside Maxey and Embiid. It would be either an elite 2 Way wing or a PG who can defend, facilitate, and shoots threes. Which neither type is likely available. Only max guy I would want to go after would be Zach Lavine. Other than not, I would not mind going the fill out the roster route. Which would be going after Vanvleet, a better 2 way wing to replace Tobias, and improving the bench.

[illwill10]

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If I'm Charlotte and I could get Zion, I would take that deal. I would want Zion, Murphy, and the #14 while having Pelicans taking Rozier. A Ball-Murphy-Hayward-Zion-Williams lineup isn't bad, defense might be an issue though. At very least, it'll definitely help on a business aspect of operations lol.

[ggsimmonds]

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I'm just not going to hope for one scenario or any particular deal. I'm not trying to set myself up for disappointment. But it is funny on the Wizards reddit seeing some potential trades they say are feasible. Bless their little hearts.

OJ I'm guessing that Beal for Murray trade with Denver is off the table now huh lol

[illwill10]

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Here you go, Will:

https://twitter.com/phillypmc/status/1668622248109031425?s=46&t=bmmyw4g-qEId3d4KHhv-qw

What’s your thoughts on this?

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/cut?SeasonType=Regular%20Season&SeasonYear=2022-23&dir=D&sort=POSS_PCT

One last thing about Doc, I'm glad that his stagnant offense is gone. Sixers ranked bottom three in Cut Frequency the last 3 season. Raptors were #6 this past season. Sixers were bottom 2 in off screens in the last 3 years. The offense was so stagnant and predictable. It was either Isolation, Embiid-Harden 2 man game, or kick out for a 3. That was the primary offensive gameplan. Its so easy to defend their offense in the playoffs when you know where your guy is going to be. Especially doubling Embiid when you know your guy isn't going to move. There seems to be only one action going on per possession. Only offball movement is to create spacing or a off ball screen to create specific matchups

[ojandpizza]

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I'm just not going to hope for one scenario or any particular deal. I'm not trying to set myself up for disappointment. But it is funny on the Wizards reddit seeing some potential trades they say are feasible. Bless their little hearts.

OJ I'm guessing that Beal for Murray trade with Denver is off the table now huh lol

MPJ I’d probably consider, definitely not Murray.

[georgiafan]

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Trae will be back in Atlanta next year as much as I want to see him gone. I don’t think it’s realistic atleast for another year

Collins + Bogdanvich would account for most of the salary matching so that part makes sense. Murray was mostly brought in because Trae wanted him and he wasn’t the defender he was suppose to be. Clint as you said needs to go, but again Trae likes him and is the rim protection.

In short I expect Clint or Collins to be traded this offseason just not both

It would be salary cap concerns getting Beal and Trae together as the major reason why i don’t see it. Trae makes 40 million + and Beal like 50. Beal doesn’t shoot or defend so isn’t a ideal fit with Trae.

Speaking of teams that could realistically make a push, what about Atlanta?

They have Collins 25m, Capela 21m, Bogdanovic 19m, Murray 18m..

Collins is on their trade block, Capela needs to go to make room for OO, Murray has not be the ideal fit, and Bogdanovic has been injured.

Capela-Collins-Murray could get them Beal+Kuz and maybe more as filler..

But I also have no idea how bad Washington wants to be after this trade. That trio might win the more games than they are wanting if the goal is to tank.. of course the three of them could be easily moved elsewhere in other trades too for draft capital.

No doubt Beal and Kuz “fit” better than Murray and Collins for how ATL plays.

On that same note if Atlanta is actually giving consideration to Trae trades would Washington give up picks with Beal to get their next young “star” and ATL just run Murray at the 1?

[Majingir]

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No surprise, but Raptors are among teams looking to move into the top 3.

I wonder if we eventually see that big deal with Blazers with the 13th and OG going back for a package including the 3rd and Simons.

[dubcity]

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Is Beal top 15 player? 20? Is he more of a Tatum or a Brunson level? What is his value?