2023 Offseason Thread

[georgiafan]

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If yall remember since the day Pelicans drafted Zion I was constantly bashing the Pelicans and their GM. They made awful decision after awful decision yet every single person in the media loved them. Because they looked at all those draft picks they had and individually talent. They rushed the process of trying to win too soon and missed on a lot of those picks and still don't have enough defense.

They never had a single plan on what they were doing they were just collecting assets for no reason. Ignoring how they fit with Zion and now it looks like they could use him to trade up to #3 ?

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[jeebs9]

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I don't believe all this Zion BS.

But man one thing I like about the off season is growth spurt

Sengun is a 7 footer now

https://twitter.com/Cursed6ix/status/1669599857948995589?t=5BvH8kCSI_wQpF0c3qa24A&s=19

Franz Wagner is 7 footer now. That's insane.

https://twitter.com/urmomshotbf/status/1669820375306326020?t=1cxBQazgTKqRPerRzcmmEg&s=19

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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I don't believe all this Zion BS.

But man one thing I like about the off season is growth spurt

Sengun is a 7 footer now

https://twitter.com/Cursed6ix/status/1669599857948995589?t=5BvH8kCSI_wQpF0c3qa24A&s=19

Franz Wagner is 7 footer now. That's insane.
https://twitter.com/urmomshotbf/stat...erRzcmmEg&s=19

Lol the Wagner one is just a parody of the Sengun quote. A Bucks twitter account used that exact same quote for MarJon Beauchamp’s “growth spurt” too


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[ojandpizza]

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7’ Franz Wagner could be scary. He’s not all that far off from Giannis production at that age. (Relax before somebody jumps at me).. at his size he needs to get much more aggressive on the glass, and getting to and attacking the rim. Lauri has been doing a great job of that at a similar build too. But as far as polished offensive skillset Franz is already ahead of the curve. Dude handles, passes, moves, shoots, cuts like a vet. Been one of the more impressive young players despite it being in Orlando and going unnoticed.

Crazy thing is Banchero also measured 6’10.5 barefoot. He’s easily pushing close to 7’ in shoes as well and who knows if he’s growing still or not too. He woulda been 19 when that measurement was taken. Obviously aside from that brutally ice cold shooting slump he went on during this year he’s one of the most impressive rookies you’ll see. Orlando needs Suggs to “breakout” and they could really have something nice there.

Banchero being just over 6’10 helps explain Chet’s jump from 7 to 7’1. He skipped the combine but OKC updated him to 7’1, if all measurements are still barefoot as they stated they would be a couple seasons back he’s probably pushing 7’2 on the floor.

The whole “unicorn” thing is shaping out to be the league as a whole it seems. Good job KD lol.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

2023 Offseason Thread

Shams saying it's down to Miami and Phoenix for Beal now and both are in serious talks with Washington.

The fit with Miami is excellent IMO; very scared of that as a Bucks fan.

I don't really think it's a good fit in Phoenix at all personally, but no doubt that would be a lot of scoring ability with their trio.

Phoenix’s offer will also be laughably bad. I don’t even think they have a first round pick they can offer so the best they can do is expiring contracts and Ayton if Washington is interested in him.

[ojandpizza]

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Shams saying it's down to Miami and Phoenix for Beal now and both are in serious talks with Washington.

The fit with Miami is excellent IMO; very scared of that as a Bucks fan.

I don't really think it's a good fit in Phoenix at all personally, but no doubt that would be a lot of scoring ability with their trio.

Phoenix’s offer will also be laughably bad. I don’t even think they have a first round pick they can offer so the best they can do is expiring contracts and Ayton if Washington is interested in him.

I bet they try to attach that Chris Paul contract, maybe Washington would do that for Ayton. I’d say a pick but if they don’t have any..

Ayton is probably the best player Washington could get as a return from anybody. I’d still rather have picks from Miami.

[illwill10]

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I don't see the fit with Phoenix. You're pretty much either asking Booker to be the PG, or have them split ball handling responsibilities. It would be very hard to build out roster. You're best bet would be too stagger the three and have one of them on the court at all times. That feels like a situation where the new owner is trying to go all in year one. If I were to get a third star for the Suns, it would be a prime Klay. I like the fit better in Miami. Beal could be the #1 scorer without having to be the #1 guy. Jimmy could still handle the primary ball handler and have Beal go back to being a movement scorer. Vincent-Beal-Butler-Martin-Bam is a good lineup. You could upgrade the over Martin. Strus-Martin-and a upgrade at backup Center would be a good 8 man rotation in the playoffs. I don't see why Miami would want to have Beal and Herro.


But with a NTC, Beal has so much power in this situation. There isn't really a bidding war, it's his choice of where. Only power, Washington has is that they don't have to trade him. But in that situation, he didn't "request" a trade and you don't want him winning extra games for you. Plus it affects what you do early in FA. I don't see KP or Kuzma picking up their options if Beal is trades.

[georgiafan]

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Yea the fit with Beal on sun seems like a bad one with no defense, role players and depth. I also think Washington would have to take on shamet who has a few years on his deal.

[Majingir]

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#7 AND Multiple 1sts for OG?

https://twitter.com/JWeinbachNBA/status/1670098092593479680?t=uvl5XoximuK_uVq00SPssQ&s=19

Pacers own all their firsts beyond this year. How does next year trading work? If they trade the player taken with #7 (either the pick was made by Raptors or someone else if Raptors flip it) are they also allowed trading 2024 1st since the 2023 draft has technically passed by time the trade is official?

I wonder what it would take to get the 3rd if they do get the 7th and multiple picks (this sounds like they're not giving up 13 in that deal with the Pacers)

[georgiafan]

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It might be pacers late 1st this year (26 and 29)?

Also hearing some siakam to Atlanta talk though I don’t think Atlanta can really offer a lot. It would have to be a deal centered around the 15th pick, Hunter, AJ Griffin and like Clint

#7 AND Multiple 1sts for OG?

https://twitter.com/JWeinbachNBA/status/1670098092593479680?t=uvl5XoximuK_uVq00SPssQ&s=19

Pacers own all their firsts beyond this year. How does next year trading work? If they trade the player taken with #7 (either the pick was made by Raptors or someone else if Raptors flip it) are they also allowed trading 2024 1st since the 2023 draft has technically passed by time the trade is official?

I wonder what it would take to get the 3rd if they do get the 7th and multiple picks (this sounds like they're not giving up 13 in that deal with the Pacers)

[Majingir]

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It might be pacers late 1st this year (26 and 29)?



Also hearing some siakam to Atlanta talk though I don’t think Atlanta can really offer a lot. It would have to be a deal centered around the 15th pick, Hunter, AJ Griffin and like Clint

Griffin would've been nice to get last year when his dad was the Raptors assistant (before getting hired by the Bucks)

The Mavs would have to be in this too though.

If Mavs get Hield from the Pacers, I'd imagine that means 1 more first from the Pacers and 1 first from Dallas going to Toronto?

So Pacers get OG and give up Hield,7,a future first?

Raptors get 7th and future 1st from Pacers and 1st from Mavs and give up OG

Mavs get Hield and give up a first


Maybe as simple as a pick swap with Raptors and Mavs instead (Raptors get 10 and Mavs move down to 13?)

[georgiafan]

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Another rumor from the hawks side which maybe it’s all connected somehow.

Mavs - 15th pick and Collins
Hawks - Bertans and 10th pick

I would hate this trade which would be basically be a salary dump disguised as a trade up. It would open the door up for Atlanta to get pascal. But that’s a major shakeup of the roster and not much shooting since at least one of bogi/ AJ would be traded.

Griffin would've been nice to get last year when his dad was the Raptors assistant (before getting hired by the Bucks)

The Mavs would have to be in this too though.

If Mavs get Hield from the Pacers, I'd imagine that means 1 more first from the Pacers and 1 first from Dallas going to Toronto?

So Pacers get OG and give up Hield,7,a future first?

Raptors get 7th and two future firsts and give up OG

Mavs get Hield and give up a first


Maybe as simple as a pick swap with Raptors and Mavs instead (Raptors get 10 and Mavs move down to 13?)

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I don't see the fit with Phoenix. You're pretty much either asking Booker to be the PG, or have them split ball handling responsibilities. It would be very hard to build out roster. You're best bet would be too stagger the three and have one of them on the court at all times. That feels like a situation where the new owner is trying to go all in year one. If I were to get a third star for the Suns, it would be a prime Klay. I like the fit better in Miami. Beal could be the #1 scorer without having to be the #1 guy. Jimmy could still handle the primary ball handler and have Beal go back to being a movement scorer. Vincent-Beal-Butler-Martin-Bam is a good lineup. You could upgrade the over Martin. Strus-Martin-and a upgrade at backup Center would be a good 8 man rotation in the playoffs. I don't see why Miami would want to have Beal and Herro.





But with a NTC, Beal has so much power in this situation. There isn't really a bidding war, it's his choice of where. Only power, Washington has is that they don't have to trade him. But in that situation, he didn't "request" a trade and you don't want him winning extra games for you. Plus it affects what you do early in FA. I don't see KP or Kuzma picking up their options if Beal is trades.

Most of the legit trades I’ve seen constructed around Miami/Beal would include Herro getting shipped out anyway.

And they’ll probably be tight filling out the roster with Bam, Beal and Butler anyway. But one thing I won’t do is doubt/question Riley because he always seems to find a way to make **** work.

[illwill10]

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If I were the Suns, I would rather have someone cheaper at Ayton's spot. With Beal/Booker/KD, you just need a center to defend, rebound, and hustle. I'd flip Ayton in a separate deal either way.

[illwill10]

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Most of the legit trades I’ve seen constructed around Miami/Beal would include Herro getting shipped out anyway.

And they’ll probably be tight filling out the roster with Bam, Beal and Butler anyway. But one thing I won’t do is doubt/question Riley because he always seems to find a way to make **** work.

Ideally they retain Strus and Vincent, they would have to nail whatever their exception and their Minimum deals. They would have to start Martin at the 4. Like I said, they would probably need a backup PG, 3/4 wing, and a backup Center. I can see Love not returning. I wouldn't mind Love on a Minimum to replace Niang on the Sixers