2023 Offseason Thread

[illwill10]

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With the changes to Washington's FO, I wouldn't be surprised if they finally decide to rebuild. They're not going anywhere with that roster. Beal has a No Trade clause, but I wouldn't no part of that contract. I do think they should've traded him a couple years ago when his value was at it's highest. But, I do think if he's in a situation where he doesn't have to be the primary ball handler, he can be a more efficient player.

If I were a team, I would see what I would have to give up for Porzingis. This past season looked to be one of his more efficient shooting seasons

[georgiafan]

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Yea it’s time for them to move on For Beal. I’m not sure who would want him probably one of the bad teams trying to win.

With the changes to Washington's FO, I wouldn't be surprised if they finally decide to rebuild. They're not going anywhere with that roster. Beal has a No Trade clause, but I wouldn't no part of that contract. I do think they should've traded him a couple years ago when his value was at its highest. But, I do think if he's in a situation where he doesn't have to be the primary ball handler, he can be a more efficient player.

If I were a team, I would see what I would have to give up for Porzingis. This past season looked to be one of his more efficient shooting seasons

[ggsimmonds]

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Its been time to move on from Beal.

At this point we missed our window and now any deal we make to move him would be one where we look to minimize the bad value assets we take on as opposed to a few seasons ago when we could have gained good value assets.

Not saying we wouldn't get anything with good value back, we would. Its just a different scenario where we would be going around the league asking "you want Beal? You can get him cheap!" as opposed to other teams pursuing us.

[illwill10]

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Its been time to move on from Beal.

At this point we missed our window and now any deal we make to move him would be one where we look to minimize the bad value assets we take on as opposed to a few seasons ago when we could have gained good value assets.

Not saying we wouldn't get anything with good value back, we would. Its just a different scenario where we would be going around the league asking "you want Beal? You can get him cheap!" as opposed to other teams pursuing us.

If they would have moved him two years ago after he finished second in scoring, they could've gotten a good haul for him. But now, he'll be 30 this year and his contract is terrible. It went from getting a good haul to a salary matching deal and some picks to puff it up.

I mean, I could see a team like Miami making the move. Combine Herro and Robinson contracts and some picks. I'm not giving up a good young ascending player for Beal. That window has passed. Wizards could take Tobias Harris and a 2029 first for Beal, but that's the max I would do lol. Actually that might Wizards. It would free up a lot of cap space in 2024 and if they break up Porzingis to a couple young pieces, they can make some moves in the 2024 FA class.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Predicting a FA class 2 years out is pointless to do because these guys aren’t waiting til FA if they want to leave. They’re just putting in trade requests during the season, while they still have years left.

Best thing to do now if you’re a fan to guess which player is going to get disgruntled enough to request a trade.

[illwill10]

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Predicting a FA class 2 years out is pointless to do because these guys aren’t waiting til FA if they want to leave. They’re just putting in trade requests during the season, while they still have years left.

Best thing to do now if you’re a fan to guess which player is going to get disgruntled enough to request a trade.

No denying that. Free Agency isn't as appealing as it use to be. The stars get extended early, then request trades later. Going the cap space route isn't as appealing as it use to be. You're most likely overpaying for mid-tier or washed players. That's like if the Sixers allow Harden to walk and allow Harris's contract to expire next season. They'll free up a ton of space, but no top tier level guys.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Best bet is to have appealing players and a nice number of 1st rd picks with no protections that’ll appeal to a team, especially since most of the last few superstar trades have been built around that.

[roadman]

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Meh, Bucks go from Bud to Griffin.

Ok.

One of those wait and see's.

Nurse pulled himself out according to Sharms.

[ojandpizza]

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Meh, Bucks go from Bud to Griffin.

Ok.

One of those wait and see's.

Nurse pulled himself out according to Sharms.

Giannis vouched for Griffin, that carries some weight lol.

Wonder where Nurse ends up then, Phoenix?

[illwill10]

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Giannis vouched for Griffin, that carries some weight lol.

Wonder where Nurse ends up then, Phoenix?

Either Phoenix or Philly. From what I've seen, Nurse is the presumed Preference for Philly and Nurse has good history with Morey. I just don't him and Harden would mesh well. I'm all for letting Harden walk.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Not gonna pretend I have any idea if Griffin will be a good head coach or not but hoping for the best. More nervous about the roster moves this off-season anyways.


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[illwill10]

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From reports, it looks like Suns might be leaning towards their Assistant coach Kevin Young and has been endorsed by Devin Booker

[ojandpizza]

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Either Phoenix or Philly. From what I've seen, Nurse is the presumed Preference for Philly and Nurse has good history with Morey. I just don't him and Harden would mesh well. I'm all for letting Harden walk.

Don’t he and Embiid have “beef” too?

[ojandpizza]

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Not gonna pretend I have any idea if Griffin will be a good head coach or not but hoping for the best. More nervous about the roster moves this off-season anyways.


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Lots of the usual “internet rumors” floating around. I would be sad to see Middleton go, he was the perfect #2 when he’s healthy and right. But he night not ever get back to that point so I get it.

You think they intend to keep Lopez? Or move away from the big line-up with Bud gone?

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Lots of the usual “internet rumors” floating around. I would be sad to see Middleton go, he was the perfect #2 when he’s healthy and right. But he night not ever get back to that point so I get it.

You think they intend to keep Lopez? Or move away from the big line-up with Bud gone?

My best guess at the order of likely outcomes this off-season:

1. Bring Khris and Brook back and reshuffle the bench (ex: trading Bobby and or other pieces for a PG). I know Milwaukee was in on FVV at the deadline and obviously just hired their lead assistant. I’d also be happy going for someone like Tyus Jones instead.

2. We get priced out on Brook. Bring Khris back. Still mostly the same plan as #1 but obviously would need to address C somehow too.

3. We get priced out on Khris and try to salvage it with some sort of opt in and trade or sign and trade because losing him for nothing might mean the end of the Giannis era or at best the end of the Bucks being a contender.

4. The Bucks proactively try to trade Khris and or Jrue. Within this option I’d say targeting new veterans would be the more likely outcome. Targeting draft picks would be the least likely. Something sort of in between like a Anfernee Simons + pick or Jordan Poole + Kuminga + picks would be the median outcome here.

For me personally, #1 is probably my preferred option. I think #4 is a fine option but much riskier. 2 and 3 would be pretty disastrous but I think they’re more likely than #4.


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