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  • GAMEC0CK2002
    Stayin Alive
    • Aug 2002
    • 10384

    #2296
    Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

    I'd strongly consider Panasonic's VT series in that price range

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    • Gagnon39
      Windy City Sports Fan
      • Mar 2003
      • 8544

      #2297
      Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

      I have a Panasonic GT series Plasma right now and I get some noticeable line bleed from time to time. Like this...



      It also just doesn't seem to be able to handle fast-moving images like a 240Hz LCD can. I know all plasma's are 600Hz but for whatever reason, in my eyes, the moving picture just looks better on high-end LCD's.

      I'm open for suggestions but I want something that a) performs at an optimal with fast-moving images and b) does not suffer from any line bleeding, banding, or clouding.

      Thanks for the input and I'm eager to hear if any of you guys have plasma's that don't have line bleeding.
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      • mestevo
        Gooney Goo Goo
        • Apr 2010
        • 19556

        #2298
        This is a bad panel right? Specifically the dark cloud, the other coloration is the poor SD channel that made this jump out the most. Sometimes you can't even tell it is there.

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        • Blzer
          Resident film pundit
          • Mar 2004
          • 42515

          #2299
          Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

          Originally posted by Gagnon39
          It also just doesn't seem to be able to handle fast-moving images like a 240Hz LCD can. I know all plasma's are 600Hz but for whatever reason, in my eyes, the moving picture just looks better on high-end LCD's.
          I've said it before, but 600 Hz on a plasma isn't quite measuring the exact same thing as, say, 240 Hz on an LCD.

          An LCD can and will interpolate more than sixty frames per second, plus add motion blur. If you think that more frames in between means it "handles fast-moving images better," than LCD will be for you. All plasma screens operate at 60 Hz, and have ten subfields within each frame, handling each individual frame well but only operating as many as sixty frames per second.

          Whichever looks better to you is the one that you should choose, but don't get pulled into hearing 600 Hz and think that it's running 600 frames per second.

          My plasma has line bleeding, but it doesn't seem to be noticeable in any normal viewing content. If there's a large black bar going across the screen (like for my volume from my Yamaha receiver) or if the white letters in front of the green screen of a trailer preview rating is on the television, I'll see it. I won't see it otherwise.
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          • Gagnon39
            Windy City Sports Fan
            • Mar 2003
            • 8544

            #2300
            Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

            Originally posted by Blzer
            I've said it before, but 600 Hz on a plasma isn't quite measuring the exact same thing as, say, 240 Hz on an LCD.

            An LCD can and will interpolate more than sixty frames per second, plus add motion blur. If you think that more frames in between means it "handles fast-moving images better," than LCD will be for you. All plasma screens operate at 60 Hz, and have ten subfields within each frame, handling each individual frame well but only operating as many as sixty frames per second.

            Whichever looks better to you is the one that you should choose, but don't get pulled into hearing 600 Hz and think that it's running 600 frames per second.

            My plasma has line bleeding, but it doesn't seem to be noticeable in any normal viewing content. If there's a large black bar going across the screen (like for my volume from my Yamaha receiver) or if the white letters in front of the green screen of a trailer preview rating is on the television, I'll see it. I won't see it otherwise.
            Thanks. That makes sense. And my Panasonic plasma is the same way. I usually don't see the bleeding, but I do notice it from time to time in menus on video games and it drives me nuts. When I pay close to or over $3,000 for a TV I don't want that to happen. I really like the size of the Sharp (70 inches) but I think I like the picture better on the Samsung. However, one of the comments about the vertical banding on the 65 inch Samsung has me greatly concerned. That's the one I was leaning towards, and now I'm not sure.
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            • p_rushing
              Hall Of Fame
              • Feb 2004
              • 14514

              #2301
              Check avsforum and read the es8000 thread. They can let you know if the 65 is fixed yet. I got mine from amazon, so I didn't have any issues returning/exchanging the 2 I got. If you have a DVR, record the Superbowl and then try it on the 65, you will notice any vertical banding right away.

              I would start with the 65 and try 1-2 of those. I haven't read about anyone having banding on the 60, for some reason only the 65.

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              • authentic
                All Star
                • Jul 2009
                • 5812

                #2302
                Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

                Originally posted by Blzer
                I've said it before, but 600 Hz on a plasma isn't quite measuring the exact same thing as, say, 240 Hz on an LCD.

                An LCD can and will interpolate more than sixty frames per second, plus add motion blur. If you think that more frames in between means it "handles fast-moving images better," than LCD will be for you. All plasma screens operate at 60 Hz, and have ten subfields within each frame, handling each individual frame well but only operating as many as sixty frames per second.

                Whichever looks better to you is the one that you should choose, but don't get pulled into hearing 600 Hz and think that it's running 600 frames per second.

                My plasma has line bleeding, but it doesn't seem to be noticeable in any normal viewing content. If there's a large black bar going across the screen (like for my volume from my Yamaha receiver) or if the white letters in front of the green screen of a trailer preview rating is on the television, I'll see it. I won't see it otherwise.
                Don't get sucked into believing that when gaming that a 240hz LCD panel will perform better also

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                • wahoos22719
                  Rookie
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 171

                  #2303
                  Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

                  I'm looking to purchase a TV in the 46-50 inch range. I would like it to have WiFi and the ability to use Netflix, Hulu, etc. My budget is around $1000, but could go slightly higher if necessary. Any recommendations?

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                  • Scott
                    Your Go-to TV Expert
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 20030

                    #2304
                    Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

                    Originally posted by wahoos22719
                    I'm looking to purchase a TV in the 46-50 inch range. I would like it to have WiFi and the ability to use Netflix, Hulu, etc. My budget is around $1000, but could go slightly higher if necessary. Any recommendations?
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                    • authentic
                      All Star
                      • Jul 2009
                      • 5812

                      #2305
                      Finally calibrating my 55lm7600 again. This tv is amazing for calibrations. An ISF certified tv is rare to come by, but this LG is. Ill post my pre and post calibration reports after I finish.
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                      • Stormyhog
                        All Star
                        • Feb 2004
                        • 5304

                        #2306
                        Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

                        When using game mode should you adjust settings such as backlight, color, contrast, brightness, sharpness etc or leave as is? Settings are lower than standard mode just want to make sure it is okay to tweak them without causing problems when gaming. I know all the processing features such as trumotion are off as they should be when playing games. I have a 42 inch LG lcd tv 120hz. Thanks
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                        • tabarnes19_SDS
                          Game Designer
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 3084

                          #2307
                          Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

                          If I was to go out right now and buy a new 55 inch tv with great pq and little lag for the show with a $2500 budget what would you guys suggest? I'm all over the place so I want others opinions. Feb is usually cheapest time to get new tvs.

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                          • authentic
                            All Star
                            • Jul 2009
                            • 5812

                            #2308
                            Originally posted by tabarnes19
                            If I was to go out right now and buy a new 55 inch tv with great pq and little lag for the show with a $2500 budget what would you guys suggest? I'm all over the place so I want others opinions. Feb is usually cheapest time to get new tvs.
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                            • tabarnes19_SDS
                              Game Designer
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 3084

                              #2309
                              Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

                              Ive been looking at that panasonic and the samsung 8000 smart tv.

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                              • p_rushing
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Feb 2004
                                • 14514

                                #2310
                                Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

                                Originally posted by tabarnes19
                                Ive been looking at that panasonic and the samsung 8000 smart tv.
                                Depends on if you like Plasma (Panasonic) or LED (Samsung). Both of those TVs are top of the line brands for their types. I would say go look at them in person and pick with one you like best.
                                Last edited by p_rushing; 02-08-2013, 02:46 PM.

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