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  • tripwire
    MVP
    • Sep 2002
    • 2604

    #1126
    Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

    Originally posted by bigfnjoe96
    Sorry but inky blacks are just 1 equation of the picture. What good are inky blacks when it's crushing your shadow detail? People get caught up in black level as if it's the only equation to picture quality. You do know that right?

    As for motion blur, yes plasma's are mostly blur-free, but if blur doesn't bother someone is it an issue? Same way many people can't/won't own Plasma because of phospher trails. It's an issue to some, but a non-issue to others.

    As I've said it's all about a person's viewing experience, not always about what is considered the BEST Tech available
    +1 on phosphor trails

    Unfortunately i see it almost all the time. As for blacks, it's not everything without the peak whites to go with it IMHO. And the plasma's having the blacks edge is a thing of the past. It died with Pioneer's leading edge tech.

    Reviews on HX929

    CNET,

    Producing a deep shade of black is the HX929's specialty. The black areas of dark scenes, such as the letterbox bars above and below the image and areas of night sky, were the darkest in our comparison aside from the Pioneer. The darker the scene, the more the difference became apparent, and at times the Sony's screen seemed to blend completely into the blackness of our viewing room. The result was excellent contrast and pop in many scenes.


    HTM, (comparing it to VT30),

    The Sony’s total black easily trumped the Panasonic’s very good but not invisible full-screen blacks. Five key scenes from Stargate: Continuum vividly demonstrated the black level/shadow detail differences between the two sets. On the opening star field, the black background was less black on the Panasonic, but it showed more visible stars. The Sony put obvious halos around the brightest stars, while the Panasonic did not. In chapter 3, as a tramp steamer cruises across the Atlantic at night, both sets virtually tied with excellent shadow detail. But as the chief opens the door to the cargo hold later in the same chapter, the unlit space looked decidedly darker on the Sony. In the split-screen montage in chapter 10, the empty blocks were also a little darker on the Sony, although the difference was small. And in the Russian stargate installation (chapter 21), the Sony looked inkier, although the Panasonic avoided the slight black crush the Sony added to a few shots.
    Some black levels at HTM for comparison,

    Sony HX929 (Full LED) - unmeasurable, contrast unmeasurable as a result
    Sony EX720 (Edge LED) - 0.001, contrast ratio of 18,220:1
    Samsung UND8000 (Edge LED) - 0.0001, contrast ratio of 30,700:1
    Samsung UND6000 (Edge LED)- 0.003, contrast ratio of 10,133:1

    Panny VT30 (Plasma) - 0.006, contrast ratio of 4,187:1

    I think those numbers show that some Edge and Full Array LED's have not only caught up, but in many ways surpassed most plasma's on the market today when it comes to blacks, and they also have the contrast and shadow detail to go with it. Just read the reviews yourself and see.

    For me, there's a market for all techs. They all have their weaknesses, and sometimes it comes down to what problem you can live with, and what you can't. I just get tired of the "plasma better blacks, so better tv" stance. What once was, is no longer.

    As is, my 3 picks if money is not an issue would be the Sony HX929, Samsung PND7000/8000, and Panny VT30. I don't think you can go wrong with any of those.




    Last edited by tripwire; 10-08-2011, 12:25 PM.

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    • Shortdogg2K
      Banned
      • Jul 2007
      • 46

      #1127
      Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

      Does any of these models have support for video playback from an external HD source or usb stick? I am in the market for a new Plasma 3D HDTV and will not purchase one with USB video playback support. Thx.

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      • Giants4Natic
        Banned
        • Oct 2010
        • 2475

        #1128
        Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

        Originally posted by tripwire
        +1 on phosphor trails

        Unfortunately i see it almost all the time. As for blacks, it's not everything without the peak whites to go with it IMHO. And the plasma's having the blacks edge is a thing of the past. It died with Pioneer's leading edge tech.

        Reviews on HX929

        CNET,



        HTM, (comparing it to VT30),

        Some black levels at HTM for comparison,

        Sony HX929 (Full LED) - unmeasurable, contrast unmeasurable as a result
        Sony EX720 (Edge LED) - 0.001, contrast ratio of 18,220:1
        Samsung UND8000 (Edge LED) - 0.0001, contrast ratio of 30,700:1
        Samsung UND6000 (Edge LED)- 0.003, contrast ratio of 10,133:1

        Panny VT30 (Plasma) - 0.006, contrast ratio of 4,187:1

        I think those numbers show that some Edge and Full Array LED's have not only caught up, but in many ways surpassed most plasma's on the market today when it comes to blacks, and they also have the contrast and shadow detail to go with it. Just read the reviews yourself and see.

        For me, there's a market for all techs. They all have their weaknesses, and sometimes it comes down to what problem you can live with, and what you can't. I just get tired of the "plasma better blacks, so better tv" stance. What once was, is no longer.

        As is, my 3 picks if money is not an issue would be the Sony HX929, Samsung PND7000/8000, and Panny VT30. I don't think you can go wrong with any of those.




        Nobody said LCD or LED suck. They have caught up a lot to the quality of plasma

        The Sony LED may have better black level overall but until LED, LCD can overcome the off angle issues and blooming effects, I will always prefer the Plasma period. But it comes down to preference and I prefer full uniformity

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        • Giants4Natic
          Banned
          • Oct 2010
          • 2475

          #1129
          Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

          Originally posted by Shortdogg2K
          Does any of these models have support for video playback from an external HD source or usb stick? I am in the market for a new Plasma 3D HDTV and will not purchase one with USB video playback support. Thx.

          I think all these current sets can play from a usb and external hd source

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          • Shortdogg2K
            Banned
            • Jul 2007
            • 46

            #1130
            Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

            Nice,Thx Giants4Natic. The G-Men are definetly looking good unlike my Boys. But this, is not, the thread for that lol..

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            • jmood88
              Sean Payton: Retribution
              • Jul 2003
              • 34639

              #1131
              Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

              For the guys who have the 51d7000, what settings are you using? I'm using the Cnet settings right now and I'm looking at AVS for some suggestions but there are a million threads about settings with hundreds of pages so it's hard to find exactly what I'm looking for.
              Originally posted by Blzer
              Let me assure you that I am a huge proponent of size, and it greatly matters. Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise.

              If I went any bigger, it would not have properly fit with my equipment, so I had to optimize. I'm okay with it, but I also know what I'm missing with those five inches. :)

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              • RoyalBoyle78
                Aka."Footballforever"
                • May 2003
                • 23918

                #1132
                Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

                Originally posted by jmood88
                For the guys who have the 51d7000, what settings are you using? I'm using the Cnet settings right now and I'm looking at AVS for some suggestions but there are a million threads about settings with hundreds of pages so it's hard to find exactly what I'm looking for.
                My advice is to use your own, not one set is the same, I have been using my own settings for almost 2 years now and I'm happy.
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                • Blzer
                  Resident film pundit
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 42515

                  #1133
                  Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

                  Originally posted by Footballforever
                  My advice is to use your own, not one set is the same, I have been using my own settings for almost 2 years now and I'm happy.
                  Well, maybe for gamma and brightness and what not, but the color tones can be easy attained from the tone and white balance adjustments, and those can nearly be universal when it comes to setting changes.
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                  • jmood88
                    Sean Payton: Retribution
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 34639

                    #1134
                    Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

                    Originally posted by Footballforever
                    My advice is to use your own, not one set is the same, I have been using my own settings for almost 2 years now and I'm happy.
                    I would but I have no idea what half these settings mean and I don't want to just mess with stuff without knowing how it affects the picture.
                    Originally posted by Blzer
                    Let me assure you that I am a huge proponent of size, and it greatly matters. Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise.

                    If I went any bigger, it would not have properly fit with my equipment, so I had to optimize. I'm okay with it, but I also know what I'm missing with those five inches. :)

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                    • Splitter77
                      MVP
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 2820

                      #1135
                      Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

                      Figured Id check back into this thread.
                      Ive had my 3d plasma for over a month now, so its definitely broken in with the break-in settings that I was using.

                      Is it okay to put the contrast up on my settings now??
                      I think my contrast was at 50 and brightness at 58.
                      I was going to put contrast to 80 and brightness to 50. I tested it out and it just looks a littler brighter and hockey games definitely look better. With those two adjustments cause any image retention??

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                      • Blzer
                        Resident film pundit
                        • Mar 2004
                        • 42515

                        #1136
                        Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

                        Originally posted by Splitter77
                        Figured Id check back into this thread.
                        Ive had my 3d plasma for over a month now, so its definitely broken in with the break-in settings that I was using.

                        Is it okay to put the contrast up on my settings now??
                        I think my contrast was at 50 and brightness at 58.
                        I was going to put contrast to 80 and brightness to 50. I tested it out and it just looks a littler brighter and hockey games definitely look better. With those two adjustments cause any image retention??
                        There's always the possibility of IR, but you definitely might have lessened the extent of it.

                        No worries, though... it's not a super huge deal. At least, not compared to burn-in.
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                        • 55
                          Banned
                          • Mar 2006
                          • 20857

                          #1137
                          Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

                          Originally posted by jmood88
                          For the guys who have the 51d7000, what settings are you using?
                          I have the 64D7000 but the same settings would apply:

                          http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2042661594

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                          • Giants4Natic
                            Banned
                            • Oct 2010
                            • 2475

                            #1138
                            Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

                            Originally posted by jmood88
                            For the guys who have the 51d7000, what settings are you using? I'm using the Cnet settings right now and I'm looking at AVS for some suggestions but there are a million threads about settings with hundreds of pages so it's hard to find exactly what I'm looking for.
                            If you do not like the Cnet settings then try these



                            Mode Movie
                            Peak White
                            Cell Light 20
                            Contrast 96
                            Brightness 54
                            Sharpness 0
                            Color 50
                            Tint 50/50
                            Black Tone off
                            Dynamic off
                            gamma -1
                            RGB Only off
                            Flesh Tone 0
                            Edge Enhance off
                            Motion Light off
                            xvYcc off
                            Color Tone warm2
                            Digital Noise off
                            mpeg Noise off

                            Color Space
                            Red_r 48
                            Red_g 6
                            Red_b 6
                            Green_r 20
                            Green_g 54
                            Green_b 3
                            Blue_r 3
                            Blue_g 3
                            Blue_b 50
                            Yellow_r 53
                            Yellow_g 53
                            Yellow_b 6
                            Cyan_r 17
                            Cyan_g 52
                            Cyan_b 52
                            Magenta_r 47
                            Magenta_g 8
                            Magenta_b 57

                            White Balance
                            r-offset 26
                            g-offset 25
                            b-offset 22
                            r-gain 13
                            g-gain 25
                            b-gain 29

                            10-point
                            r1 0
                            g1 0
                            b1 0
                            r2 0
                            g2 0
                            b2 0
                            r3 1
                            g3 0
                            b3 0
                            r4 0
                            g4 0
                            b4 0
                            r5 0
                            g5 1
                            b5 2
                            r6 -2
                            g6 0
                            b6 0
                            r7 1
                            g7 2
                            b7 2
                            r8 -2
                            g8 0
                            b8 0
                            r9 0
                            g9 2
                            b9 -2
                            r10 0
                            g10 2
                            b10 -2

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                            • jmood88
                              Sean Payton: Retribution
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 34639

                              #1139
                              Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

                              Thanks, I'll try those settings when I get home.
                              Edit: the high contrast isn't an issue? I've been trying to find as close to a definitive answer as I can on image retention but it's hard to know if I should worry about that or not. I know that it's much harder to mess up plasmas as it used to be but I don't want to have any problems when I just got the tv.

                              After having a 32" for the past 2 years, the 51" is like watching tv on a wall. That tv is ridiculously huge.
                              Last edited by jmood88; 10-11-2011, 10:10 AM.
                              Originally posted by Blzer
                              Let me assure you that I am a huge proponent of size, and it greatly matters. Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise.

                              If I went any bigger, it would not have properly fit with my equipment, so I had to optimize. I'm okay with it, but I also know what I'm missing with those five inches. :)

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                              • Giants4Natic
                                Banned
                                • Oct 2010
                                • 2475

                                #1140
                                Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

                                Originally posted by jmood88
                                Thanks, I'll try those settings when I get home.
                                Edit: the high contrast isn't an issue? I've been trying to find as close to a definitive answer as I can on image retention but it's hard to know if I should worry about that or not. I know that it's much harder to mess up plasmas as it used to be but I don't want to have any problems when I just got the tv.

                                After having a 32" for the past 2 years, the 51" is like watching tv on a wall. That tv is ridiculously huge.
                                How many hours do you have the tv on for already. If it is more then 100 hrs then you are good with the contrast on that setting, you can lower it a bit with no issue.

                                These settings are from TIVOHD on AVS, he had it calibrated professionally by Lion AV

                                They look real nice on that set you have.

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