Playstation 3 Information, hardware, games discussion Part II

[ps2king]

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I would think a large part of the consumer(s) are soccer mom and dads. I would think the price point is important to those folks. If the Revolution comes out and is under $300, vs $499 for PS3, I would think soccer mom and dads go for the less expensive option, plus, mom and dad can dl games they played 20 years ago on the Revolution. I really see the Revolution as the dark horse, here.

It's great to have competition.

I've seen this soccer mom argument quite a few times...I somehow doubt they are a big enough demographic to change the tide of a console war..Unless someone has the numbers to prove me wrong.

Also theres a little factor you guys are forgetting about soccer moms/grand parents etc... If little Billy tells mom/grandma he wants a PS3 for Christmas, and mom/grandma brings home a Rev/360...You better believe that mom/grandma will be back at the store getting little Billy what he wants.

Alot of these parents go to gamestores based on what they hear from their kids directly/in-directly...Price isn't always an issue, if it were Gamecube would have blown PS2/Xbox out of the water...In the end these soccer moms and gran parents aim to please their kids/gran kids and if that means spending more they'll do it.

[rudyjuly2]

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We are looking at 499 price point people. Thats 499 before buying a game, extra controller or other accessories. I could easily see people paying 700 bucks at launch. What will be interesting will be if people are willing to spend that much or if people consider that to be too expensive.

Don't forget they said you will have to buy an HDD but haven't said it would come with the system. The $499 ma7 not include that.

I thought I read somewhere that the Revolution technology is designed to be cheap and not compete with the PS3 or 360. It may retail at only $199 although that seemed low. Can't remember the article but that price will steal some soccer moms.

[Spongedaddy]

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I've seen this soccer mom argument quite a few times...I somehow doubt they are a big enough demographic to change the tide of a console war..Unless someone has the numbers to prove me wrong.

Also theres a little factor you guys are forgetting about soccer moms/grand parents etc... If little Billy tells mom/grandma he wants a PS3 for Christmas, and mom/grandma brings home a Rev/360...You better believe that mom/grandma will be back at the store getting little Billy what he wants.

Alot of these parents go to gamestores based on what they hear from their kids directly/in-directly...Price isn't always an issue, if it were Gamecube would have blown PS2/Xbox out of the water...In the end these soccer moms and gran parents aim to please their kids/gran kids and if that means spending more they'll do it.

I might be wrong here, but I am thinking you are not a parent.

This goes beyond soccer moms..the average parent is going to have a hard time shelling out $500 for a system (and possibly more if the HD is not included) and then $70 per game....also if the hdmi cable is not included that is $100 more.

[ps2king]

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I might be wrong here, but I am thinking you are not a parent.

This goes beyond soccer moms..the average parent is going to have a hard time shelling out $500 for a system (and possibly more if the HD is not included) and then $70 per game....also if the hdmi cable is not included that is $100 more.

I'm not, but I know in this day in age people spend money, and lots of it...Are Cell Phones worth $300, iPods worth $300? Parents buy these things for their kids all the time even though there are cheaper alternatives.

IMO the PS3 will retail for $499 w/HD, thats not alot considering what you're getting...Also about the HDMI cables, unless those are Monster Cables, I doubt they'll cost more than $29.99.

[ExtremeGamer]

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I'm not, but I know in this day in age people spend money, and lots of it...Are Cell Phones worth $300, iPods worth $300? Parents buy these things for their kids all the time even though there are cheaper alternatives.

IMO the PS3 will retail for $499 w/HD, thats not alot considering what you're getting...Also about the HDMI cables, unless those are Monster Cables, I doubt they'll cost more than $29.99.

HDMI cables are about $40-$50. I'll be stunned if they are included with the PS3 only because on Sony's upconvert DVD players that use HDMI, the cables aren't included.

[RoyalBoyle78]

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I'm not, but I know in this day in age people spend money, and lots of it...Are Cell Phones worth $300, iPods worth $300? Parents buy these things for their kids all the time even though there are cheaper alternatives.

IMO the PS3 will retail for $499 w/HD, thats not alot considering what you're getting...Also about the HDMI cables, unless those are Monster Cables, I doubt they'll cost more than $29.99.

first and for most, NO not everyone famliy has money like that, and in realality the common household can't afford to dish out that much money, not even if it's indeed for there children. On a nother note, you think parents/grandparents are going to go out and buy a new HDTV for the kids to go along with there PS3, I don't think so, I don't know what world you live in if you think they will. Not even all HDTV's out right now have an HDMI hookup, and according to Sony your going to need an HDMI hookup on your TV to reallly utilize the PS3. Plus your going to really need to have and HDTV to even use the PS3 period, and thats a fact. If you think parents these days have money like that, Then I would really like to know what world you live in, because it sure isn't this one. I'm just keeping it real.

[ps2king]

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HDMI cables are about $40-$50. I'll be stunned if they are included with the PS3 only because on Sony's upconvert DVD players that use HDMI, the cables aren't included.

Well they haven't said if they are included or not, so I guess we'll have to wait and see...They aren't required anyway...

[rudyjuly2]

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Let's not forget that while people are saying the 360 launch has been slow, I don't know of any system that really took off until the first price drop hits. I don't think the PS2 really started selling like hotcakes until after they had dropped the price.

Secondly, this blue ray technology is not the seller the DVD portion of the PS2 was. One reason I justified buying the PS2 when it first came out was the DVD ability but I didn't have to buy a new TV to take advantage of it. Blue Ray is only good for those with an HDTV. Furthermore, there is legitimate concern as to whether Blue Ray will beat out HD DVD. If Blue Ray becomes the Beta machine of this generation, that expensive option included in the PS3 will be a waste.

[ps2king]

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first and for most, NO not everyone famliy has money like that, and in realality the common household can't afford to dish out that much money, not even if it's indeed for there children. On a nother note, you think parents/grandparents are going to go out and buy a new HDTV for the kids to go along with there PS3, I don't think so, I don't know what world you live in if you think they will. Not even all HDTV's out right now have an HDMI hookup, and according to Sony your going to need an HDMI hookup on your TV to reallly utilize the PS3. Plus your going to really need to have and HDTV to even use the PS3 period, and thats a fact. If you think parents these days have money like that, Then I would really like to know what world you live in, because it sure isn't this one. I'm just keeping it real.

Okay you may have a point about what families can afford to spend on these thing, but I think you'd be surprised how much people are willing to spend to please thier kids during the holidays.

You're way off with the HDTV being required for the PS3, thats not true at all... The PS3 can use component cables as well... And just like the 360 an HDTV is NOT required to get next gen quality graphics...That HDMI required thing was never true...

Give me a sec to pull up the link, but HDMI/HDTV is not required for PS3.

[Money99]

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IMO the PS3 will retail for $499 w/HD, thats not alot considering what you're getting...Also about the HDMI cables, unless those are Monster Cables, I doubt they'll cost more than $29.99.

Sorry buddy, I guess it's pile on ps2king day, but I highly doubt the PS3 will be $499 and include all those things. You'll probably only get a controller added at that price.
For someone to pick up this system with an extra controller, HDD, a game and a HDMI cable I think it will be closer to $800.00 US.
There are people that will pay for it but I think more people will see that the quality of games are the same as Xbox 360 and since that system is a lot cheaper they'll be picking that one up. More so, if HD-DVD becomes the leader in High Def DVD viewing.
And if MS drops the price of the 360 when the PS3 debuts we could see the end of Sony's reign much like Sega and Nintendo.

[RoyalBoyle78]

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Okay you may have a point about what families can afford to spend on these thing, but I think you'd be surprised how much people are willing to spend to please thier kids during the holidays.

You're way off with the HDTV being required for the PS3, thats not true at all... The PS3 can use component cables as well... And just like the 360 an HDTV is NOT required to get next gen quality graphics...That HDMI required thing was never true...

Give me a sec to pull up the link, but HDMI/HDTV is not required for PS3.

I thought it was, I remember reading that if you don't have an HDMI hookup on your HDTV, you won't be getting the full affect of the Blue-Ray, I thought I read that somewhere.

[ps2king]

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Sorry buddy, I guess it's pile on ps2king day, but I highly doubt the PS3 will be $499 and include all those things. You'll probably only get a controller added at that price.
For someone to pick up this system with an extra controller, HDD, a game and a HDMI cable I think it will be closer to $800.00 US.
There are people that will pay for it but I think more people will see that the quality of games are the same as Xbox 360 and since that system is a lot cheaper they'll be picking that one up. More so, if HD-DVD becomes the leader in High Def DVD viewing.
And if MS drops the price of the 360 when the PS3 debuts we could see the end of Sony's reign much like Sega and Nintendo.

we'll see now won't we

[RoyalBoyle78]

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we'll see now won't we

while I don't agree with Money99, I think the PS3 will do well ofcourse, because you really can't expect anything else. I just don't like this worldwide release, I mean It's going to be hard on Sony for doing this more then people think. There is a chance this could Blow up in there face, I just think that we all thought that the 360 had issues with some of there units, the PS3 could be far worse. Just somthing to think about.

[ExtremeGamer]

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I thought it was, I remember reading that if you don't have an HDMI hookup on your HDTV, you won't be getting the full affect of the Blue-Ray, I thought I read that somewhere.

It's not requried for HDMI, to view Blu Ray movies, HDMI is required, but not to play PS3 games.

[ps2king]

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No HDMI required:

In an important aside, Don Eklund, SPHE's senior vice president for advanced technologies, said that Sony's initial Blu-ray discs — and all of its Blu-ray titles for the forseeable future — will be free of the "Image Constraint Token" that's built into the Blu-ray and HD DVD standards. This controversial digital flag instructs the player to down-res the video signal from its analog component-video outputs to a standard-definition image to prevent high-resolution recordings — but at the same time prevents viewing of HDTV images on any TV or device not equipped with a copyright-protected HDMI digital input. That would eliminate any gain in image quality for HDTV early-adopters who bought displays prior to two or three years ago, when DVI and HDMI digital inputs were introduced.

Eklund noted that Sony's key piracy concern isn't with analog HDTV signals but with the digital HDTV signal coming off the disc, which both Blu-ray and HD DVD are protecting with the robust Advanced Access Content System (AACS) endorsed by the Hollywood studios. If analog copying does become a problem down the road, the policy could change, he said — but for now, "we have no plan to implement the Image Constraint Token. All of Sony's titles will come out of the analog output at full definition." He added that other studios still have the discretion to activate the token for all or individual titles.
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http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article.asp?section_id=2&article_id=1324

Been saying this for a long time. Even ign last week in their video podcast said this wasn't true. Saying that you had to have HDMI input to watch hd bluray movies.

No blu-ray movie will use this feature. So as long as you have a hdtv you can play hd movies!!

+ ICT (Image Constrain Token) must be supported by AACS software and hardware as Warner wanted. ICT is utilized to limit hi-res analog output. But in countries such as Japan in which the laws prohibit ICT, it's not required until 2011. Contents providers except for Warner say they don't use ICT, but according to Honda even Warner won't use it because of commercial reasons.

http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News...x?NewsId=15908