JoshC1977's M16 Sliders

[JoshC1977]

Quote: Originally Posted by dsmith710

Was using default auto subs for my last game. Just in Play Now, but rarely saw an subs, especially with RBs. That being said, I won 27-20 using Texans over Dolphins. I forget the stats, but the game played very well. Only thing I'm concerned with was human QB Accuracy. Using Hoyer I was hitting everything except a few deep balls.

Agreed with Tony's comment just above....also remember that 'Play Now' plays differently from CFM.

[JoshC1977]

Quote: Originally Posted by saywatt

Just finished week three of Preseason so doing a recap for you guys. I am using the default All-Pro set Josh suggested. When he lists 50-55 for a penalty I chose 53. Just tried to stay in the middle of what he listed. I also lowered CPU/HUM passblock to 40 and CPU QB ACC to 40. These are the only changes I made. I only deleted my profile. Then I chose All-Pro/All-Pro/All-pro, as Josh suggests. Jaguars CFM @ 2-1 I control QB and RB but no other player. I let the CPU control my wideouts after the catch. On defense I select the deepest safety and put the controller down. I primarily run a 4-3 Cover 3 or run Nickle with a safety playing zone underneath. Week 1 - Steelers 21 Jaguars 16 Steelers: Bruce Gradkowski 136.1 - 227yds - 1sack - 17/25 68% - 3td 0int Deangelo Williams 16car - 46yds - 2.9avg - 2btk Jaguars: Logan Thomas 108.1 - 120yds - 1sack - 8/11 - 72% 0td 0int Tim Tebow 79.0 - 80yds - 1sack - 8/13 - 61% - 0td 0int Blake Bortles 51.8 - 49yds - 1sack - 6/9 - 66% - 0td 2int Bernard Pierce 4car - 33yds - 8.3avg - 1td - 0btk Corey Grant 3car - 30yds - 10avg - 0btk Toby Gerhart 8car - 21yds - 2.6avg - 1td - 3btk TJ Yeldon 6car - 15yds - 2.5avg - 1btk Week 2 - Giants 10 Jaguars 42 Giants: Ryan Nassib 72.6 - 197yds - 3sacks - 14/27 - 51% - 1td 1int Andre Williams 11car - 49yds - 4.5avg - 3btk Jaguars: Tim Tebow 97.0 - 73yds - 0sacks - 8/10 - 80% 2td 0int Blake Bortles 85.7 - 81yds - 0sacks - 7/11 - 63% 0td Logan Thomas 52.5 - 29yds - 1sack - 4/9 - 44% - 0td 0int Corey Grant 18car - 200yds - 11.1avg - 2td - 1btk TJ Yeldon 9car - 47yds - 5.2avg - 2td - 2btk Bernard Pierce - 5ar - 38yds - 7.6avg - 1btk Week 3 - Lions 13 Jaguars 20 Lions: Matthew Stafford - 70.1 - 110yds - 0sacks - 4/6 - 66% - 1int Thad Lewis 57.9 193yds - 2sacks - 15/25 - 60% - 1td - 3int Joique Bell 13car - 59yds - 4.5avg - 0btk Theo Riddick 8car - 14yds - 1.8avg - 0btk Jaguars: Tim Tebow 143.4 - 71yds - 0sacks - 5/7 - 71% 2td 0int Logan Thomas 48.2 - 135yds - 3sacks - 11/23 - 47% 0td 1int TJ Yeldon 15car - 84yds - 5.6avg - 4btk Corey Grant 5car - 6yds - 1.2avg - 1btk Stats after three games: Tim Tebow 117.2 - 224yds - 21/30 - 1sack - 70% - 4td 1int Logan Thomas 64.4 284yds - 23/40 - 5sacks - 53% - 0td 1int Corey Grant 26car - 236yds - 9.1avg - 2td - 2btk TJ Yeldon 30car - 146yds - 4.9avg - 2td - 7btk Toby Gerhart 11car - 47yds - 4.3avg - 1td - 5btk Phillip Wheeler 19tak John Lotulelei 17tak 5.5 sacks 5 interceptions 2 forced fumbles 2 fumble recoveries Thoughts: I find that my speed backs Pierce and Grant easily reached the edge, though, my third game Grant was pretty useless. Could NOT reach the edge. CPU tended to start off slow and then pick up steam as the game went on. Against the Lions Stafford threw two deep balls to Calvin Johnson in double coverage - he caught one. Thad Lewis targeted Johnson ~5 more times because Johnson was for some reason in the game Against the Steelers Gradkowskie was on fire and no matter what I did he just kept finding receivers. The pocket forms nicely, but not enough pressure. None of my sacks were because defenders beat their man - coverage sacks. Coverage seems perfect. Jags do not have great corners and that is evident against good wideouts.

Good stuff saywatt....be interested to see how regular season pans out (I could swear that preseason always feels different, and it just isn't the backups in the game).

One other thing, the game will play out a tad differently when you don't control a player then when you do. Not saying that this is a good or bad thing....but it does make a difference.

[awffltony77]

Quote: Originally Posted by saywatt

Thoughts: I find that my speed backs Pierce and Grant easily reached the edge, though, my third game Grant was pretty useless. Could NOT reach the edge. CPU tended to start off slow and then pick up steam as the game went on. Against the Lions Stafford threw two deep balls to Calvin Johnson in double coverage - he caught one. Thad Lewis targeted Johnson ~5 more times because Johnson was for some reason in the game Against the Steelers Gradkowskie was on fire and no matter what I did he just kept finding receivers. The pocket forms nicely, but not enough pressure. None of my sacks were because defenders beat their man - coverage sacks. Coverage seems perfect. Jags do not have great corners and that is evident against good wideouts. Tebow and Thomas aren't great. I have to throw slants, screens, and other short routes to make completions. I find passing to be fun. I find open receivers but it is challenging getting a big play in the air - especially with Tebow and Thomas. There are many errant throws and ups and downs throughout the game.

Interesting stuff. Very similar to the way I play, except I play the FS (and often times a LB if i'm trying to stop a TE from gutting me) manually.

How do you handle play calling?

I tried all the time to bring down the QBA slider to 40, but It foremost resulted in too many INT on both sides. Bringing down the INT slider affects overall awareness and starts the "house of cards" with the set. After I finally resigned myself to 50, I realized things tend to even out. Always......

I wasn't getting a "push" in the run game on either side, so I adjusted the penalties as such the past 3 games:

Offsides: 50
False Start: 60
Holding: 50
Facemask: 30

Its there now lol.....The final thing im looking at is the 50-60-50 dynamic is a little overpowering on the d-line, Ive seen signs both ways. Gonna give it a few more games tonight.....

Oh BTW Im using the Jags too

[Mike N]

Does anybody play these as coach mode? Not controlling any of the players. Josh I saw you said it plays different if you don't control a player. Can you elaborate on that at all? Also what does All Pro/All Pro/All Pro refer to as far as setting difficulty settings? Do we need to set that in 3 places?

[saywatt]

Quote: Originally Posted by awffltony77

Interesting stuff. Very similar to the way I play, except I play the FS (and often times a LB if i'm trying to stop a TE from gutting me) manually. How do you handle play calling? I tried all the time to bring down the QBA slider to 40, but It foremost resulted in too many INT on both sides. Bringing down the INT slider affects overall awareness and starts the "house of cards" with the set. After I finally resigned myself to 50, I realized things tend to even out. Always...... I wasn't getting a "push" in the run game on either side, so I adjusted the penalties as such the past 3 games: Offsides: 50 False Start: 60 Holding: 50 Facemask: 30 Its there now lol.....The final thing im looking at is the 50-60-50 dynamic is a little overpowering on the d-line, Ive seen signs both ways. Gonna give it a few more games tonight..... Oh BTW Im using the Jags too

I just make a 'gameplan' before hand. Like against the lions I stuck to cover 3 in nickel to avoid the big plays... But they ran calvin in the slot running crossing routes so I switched to 4-3 so he'd get smacked by a linebacker hoping for a drop. I manually move my safeties closer to the line, shift LB's/dline presnap but that's about it.

On offense I've been using two tight end sets with colt lyerla and Julius Thomas so I have a huge speed advantage for tebow he can actually make throws if I keep my receievers within 10yds from scrimmage haha.

I'll try your modifications and raise CPU pass acc back to 50.

[ulua]

Game1 Car(Me) VS Jax(Cpu)

Carolina Panthers at Jacksonville Jaguars
Jan 1,	1ST	2ND	3RD	4TH	SCORE
Carolina Panthers ()	0	3	0	0	3
Jacksonville Jaguars ()	7	10	7	14	38

Team Stats Comparison
	CAR	JAC
Total Offense	195	372
Rushing Yards	81	129
Passing Yards	114	243
First Downs	13	18
Punt Return Yards	10	38
Kick Return Yards	150	21
Total Yards	355	431
Turnovers	2	2
3rd Down Converstion
4th Down Conversion
2-Point Conversion
Red Zone Touchdowns/Field Goals
Penalties
Posession Time	20:32	27:17

Carolina Panthers PASSING C/A YDS TD INT C.Newton 16/30 175 0 2 RUSHING ATT YDS AVG TD J.Stewart 14 46 3.3 0 C.Newton 4 32 8.0 0 C.Artis-Payne 2 3 1.5 0 RECEIVING REC YDS AVG TD D.Funchess 4 61 15.3 0 K.Benjamin 3 32 10.7 0 J.Cotchery 2 20 10 0 T.Ginn 2 22 11 0 G.Olsen 2 17 8.5 0 C.Brown 1 17 17 0 G.Salas 1 7 7 0 DEFENSE TACK SACK INT TD L.Kuechly 10 0 0 0 T.Boston 9 0 1 0 R.Harper 7 0 0 0 S.Thompson 5 .5 0 0 C.Tillman 5 0 0 0 K.Coleman 4 0 0 0 J.Norman 4 0 0 0 S.Lotulelei 3 0 0 0 K.Short 3 1 0 0 B.Benwikere 3 0 0 0 D.Mayo 3 0 0 0 T.Williams 3 0 0 0 J.Allen 3 0 0 0 T.Davis 3 0 0 0

Jacksonville Jaguars PASSING C/A YDS TD INT B.Bortles 18/29 257 2 1 RUSHING ATT YDS AVG TD T.J.Yeldon 23 96 4.2 1 T.Gerhart 4 19 4.8 0 B.Bortles 2 18 9 0 RECEIVING REC YDS AVG TD J.Thomas 5 44 8.8 1 A.Robinson 5 101 20.2 1 A.Benn 4 42 10.5 0 A.Hurns 3 44 14.7 0 M.Lewis 1 26 26 0 DEFENSE TACK SACK INT TD D.House 7 0 0 0 J.Cyprien 6 0 0 0 A.Colvin 6 3 0 0 T.Smith 6 0 0 0 A.Branch 6 2 0 0 P.Posluszny 6 0 1 0 S.Brown 5 0 0 0 D.Bratz 4 0 0 0 D.Fowler 3 2 0 0 J.Sample 3 0 0 0 N.Marshall 1 0 1 0

Game 2 Hou(Cpu) vs. Car(Me)

Houston Texans at Carolina Panthers
Jan 1,	1ST	2ND	3RD	4TH	SCORE
Houston Texans ()	7	14	7	3	31
Carolina Panthers ()	7	13	3	0	23

Team Stats Comparison
	HOU	CAR
Total Offense	441	445
Rushing Yards	56	229
Passing Yards	385	216
First Downs	16	18
Punt Return Yards
Kick Return Yards
Total Yards	198	624
Turnovers	1	3
3rd Down Converstion
4th Down Conversion
2-Point Conversion
Red Zone Touchdowns/Field Goals
Penalties
Posession Time	22:37	25:23

Houston Texans PASSING C/A YDS TD INT C.Newton 15/36 216 1 2 RUSHING ATT YDS AVG TD J.Stewart 28 205 7.3 2 C.Artis-Payne 4 25 6.3 0 RECEIVING REC YDS AVG TD T.Ginn 5 70 14 0 J.Cotchery 3 45 15 0 G.Salas 2 17 8.5 0 K.Benjamin 2 14 7 0 K.Stewart 2 29 14.5 0 C.Artis-Payne 1 41 41 1 DEFENSE TACK SACK INT TD T.Boston 14 1 0 0 S.Thompson 8 1.5 0 0 R.Harper 8 1.5 0 0 L.Kuechly 5 0 0 0 J.Norman 4 0 0 0 J.Allen 4 0 0 0 T.Davis 4 0 0 0 B.Benwikere 3 0 0 0 C.Tillman 3 0 0 0 D.Marlowe 2 0 0 0

Carolina Panthers PASSING C/A YDS TD INT R.Mallett 25/40 408 4 1 RUSHING ATT YDS AVG TD A.Foster 14 54 3.9 0 A.Blue 4 2 0.5 0 RECEIVING REC YDS AVG TD A.Foster 7 57 8.1 0 D.Hopkins 6 184 30.7 2 G.Graham 5 63 12.6 0 J.Stong 3 32 10.7 1 D.Carter 2 61 30.5 0 C.Shorts 1 7 7 0 R.Griffin 1 4 4 1 DEFENSE TACK SACK INT TD R.Moore 10 0 0 0 A.Hal 9 0 1 0 J.J.Watt 9 0 0 0 B.Mckinney 8 0 0 0 K.Johnson 3 0 0 0 A.J.Bouye 7 0 0 0 J.Clowney 5 0 0 0 M.Bullough 4 0 0 0 W.Mercilus 3 0 0 0 J.Joseph 3 0 0 0 K.Jackson 1 0 1 0

Hey Josh,

Awesome job man, these sliders play great, with the latest patch.
Game is fun again LOL, anyway how does those stats look to you?
I'm off to play another game :P

Thanks,
ulua

[JoshC1977]

Quote: Originally Posted by Mike N

Does anybody play these as coach mode? Not controlling any of the players. Josh I saw you said it plays different if you don't control a player. Can you elaborate on that at all? Also what does All Pro/All Pro/All Pro refer to as far as setting difficulty settings? Do we need to set that in 3 places?

Mike....like I said in my previous post, I can't really explain "no control" defense...it just seems like user input affects things. This is pretty much a default setup, so coach mode should be fine.

The first AP is the mode you select after the initial intro plays. The second AP is the main menu, and the third is the CFM.

Quote: Originally Posted by ulua

Game1 Car(Me) VS Jax(Cpu)Hey Josh, Awesome job man, these sliders play great, with the latest patch. Game is fun again LOL, anyway how does those stats look to you? I'm off to play another game :P Thanks, ulua

Don't thank me...thank EA (it's still really weird to say that)....

You got some variety there, that's for sure. I like that you had a great game with Stewart in one game and got shut down in the other. Don't fixate too much on stats as long as they don't get completely stupid for a multi-game stretch...I really suspect it will even out in the end.

Quote: Originally Posted by awffltony77

Interesting stuff. Very similar to the way I play, except I play the FS (and often times a LB if i'm trying to stop a TE from gutting me) manually. How do you handle play calling? I tried all the time to bring down the QBA slider to 40, but It foremost resulted in too many INT on both sides. Bringing down the INT slider affects overall awareness and starts the "house of cards" with the set. After I finally resigned myself to 50, I realized things tend to even out. Always...... I wasn't getting a "push" in the run game on either side, so I adjusted the penalties as such the past 3 games: Offsides: 50 False Start: 60 Holding: 50 Facemask: 30 Its there now lol.....The final thing im looking at is the 50-60-50 dynamic is a little overpowering on the d-line, Ive seen signs both ways. Gonna give it a few more games tonight..... Oh BTW Im using the Jags too

Hey Tony....yeah, the "house of cards" is so well-balanced on default that it just seems silly to upset it.

Now....I like the lower facemask...I thought about going lower on it as well, so I will have to give 30 a try.

Not surprised that the offset false start value is feeling a bit OP. I'd bet that if you run through replays, O-linemen are consistently getting about a 5 yard push downfield. The offset idea is a good one, but don't be afraid to experiment the other way. Giving the d-line a little more push can encourage block shed and allow the o-linemen to pick up that block on the LB trying to fill the gap.

[saywatt]

Wanted to report how my 4th preseason game is going.

I wanted the line to be more realistic and i think I've achieved it! So my jags are playing the redskins and their LT is rated 73 overall. He's facing Dante Fowler and Dante is smoking him! I've had two beautiful sacks on the first quarter against RG3. Here are my settings:

Offsides: 57 (higher for a bit more push by D-line)
False Start: 57 (higher for a bit more push by O-line)
Offensive Holding:45 (lower if you want more block shed)
Defensive Holding:55
Facemask:30 (can go lower for more strip tackles and more broken tackles)
Illegal Block ITB:50
Sliders are default except 30 pass block on both sides.

I might up pass block to 35, we will see how the game goes.