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Old 11-29-2020, 09:15 AM   #25
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Re: Evidence why next gen pick and roll and help defense needs lots of work still

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The defense overall is just plain bad. I put every defensive attribute to the max. I put my acceleration to 0 and still got to the rim at will
https://youtu.be/gFFzhgsFIfk
https://youtu.be/tMgaaYNvSgQ
(Before u watch Mute the video. I forgot to mute the mic. Very loud noise in background)
The issue of the side line driving is 100% identical to the old gen...
Also the lateral sliding animation is the same, isn't natural even with the new (?) motion engine.

I still see a lot of old gen (too much) in this video, really worrying.


People discussing about graphics, accessory forgetting this BIG ISSUE that they are not able to fix in several years.


I hope NBA Live 2022 will be announced soon, it might give them a wake up call

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Old 11-29-2020, 05:06 PM   #26
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Re: Evidence why next gen pick and roll and help defense needs lots of work still

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The defense overall is just plain bad. I put every defensive attribute to the max. I put my acceleration to 0 and still got to the rim at will
https://youtu.be/gFFzhgsFIfk
https://youtu.be/tMgaaYNvSgQ
(Before u watch Mute the video. I forgot to mute the mic. Very loud noise in background)

Increase CPU Lateral Quickness and Drive Contact Shot Frequency both to 100. Also decrease USER Speed with Ball (Max) to around 60.

The example in the 1st video really canít be fixed though. Thatís a result of the complete removal of off-ball contact animations. Since you drove in the direction of another player, the defender AI has to circle around that player before running at you because thereís an invisible force-field around all off-ball players, unless that player is setting a screen.

So what you did there is actually more affective than calling for a pick, because the AI canít deal with static players on the perimeter
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Old 11-29-2020, 07:11 PM   #27
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Re: Evidence why next gen pick and roll and help defense needs lots of work still

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Increase CPU Lateral Quickness and Drive Contact Shot Frequency both to 100. Also decrease USER Speed with Ball (Max) to around 60.

The example in the 1st video really can’t be fixed though. That’s a result of the complete removal of off-ball contact animations. Since you drove in the direction of another player, the defender AI has to circle around that player before running at you because there’s an invisible force-field around all off-ball players, unless that player is setting a screen.

So what you did there is actually more affective than calling for a pick, because the AI can’t deal with static players on the perimeter
I tried your sliders. It’s still too easy. This year may be a park/rec & play now year for my competitive edge. Driving is just not fun being it’s no skill at all. I even tried sending vids to 2k devs lol

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Old 12-01-2020, 01:07 AM   #28
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Re: Evidence why next gen pick and roll and help defense needs lots of work still

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The defense overall is just plain bad. I put every defensive attribute to the max. I put my acceleration to 0 and still got to the rim at will
https://youtu.be/gFFzhgsFIfk
https://youtu.be/tMgaaYNvSgQ
(Before u watch Mute the video. I forgot to mute the mic. Very loud noise in background)
it's really discouraging that the simple fundamentals of basketball aren't in place after so many iterations of this game. yet so many resources are dedicated towards park/city and sneakers & gear.
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Old 12-01-2020, 04:29 AM   #29
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Re: Evidence why next gen pick and roll and help defense needs lots of work still

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it's really discouraging that the simple fundamentals of basketball aren't in place after so many iterations of this game. yet so many resources are dedicated towards park/city and sneakers & gear.
This is evil of the game.

Gameplay is going out of focus, who cares about P&R defence and other "small" things when the major part of community is worrying about hairstyles, gears, sleeves...
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Re: Evidence why next gen pick and roll and help defense needs lots of work still

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it's really discouraging that the simple fundamentals of basketball aren't in place after so many iterations of this game. yet so many resources are dedicated towards park/city and sneakers & gear.

This exactly, I recorded a video similar to OP's while playing NBA 2K18, so pick and roll defense wasn't fixed for 2k19, 2k20 and now 2k21 has the same problem, even though it's next gen. Amazing, and we are talking about basic fundamentals of basketball. I really don't like when someone says don't abuse it, play in a realistic way. But pick and roll is the foundation of modern basketball, that's like saying don't pass to the wings in soccer they are op. I want to play basketball, and pick and roll is a basic part of it, fix the freaking defense.


I am so glad I haven't bought 2k21, first time since 2k9 when I got a 2k for the first time that I am not playing the game at this time of the year.
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Old 12-01-2020, 11:23 AM   #31
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Re: Evidence why next gen pick and roll and help defense needs lots of work still

I've been testing a roster I found on here done by timsmooth503pa on psn. Im not sure what he did but the P&R issues have been drastically cut down. Also driving into the paint makes sense now. You have to get his slider set to match (same psn ID). Put all the movement sliders at the bottom to 70.

I could be trippin... But I haven't been seeing silly mistakes by the CPU when guarding the pick and roll. Also you get a lot less of the CPU driving the ball right into the defense with no awareness of the defenses position. Try it out of you're on the PS5.

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Old 12-01-2020, 04:47 PM   #32
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Re: Evidence why next gen pick and roll and help defense needs lots of work still

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I've been testing a roster I found on here done by timsmooth503pa on psn. Im not sure what he did but the P&R issues have been drastically cut down. Also driving into the paint makes sense now. You have to get his slider set to match (same psn ID). Put all the movement sliders at the bottom to 70.

I could be trippin... But I haven't been seeing silly mistakes by the CPU when guarding the pick and roll. Also you get a lot less of the CPU driving the ball right into the defense with no awareness of the defenses position. Try it out of you're on the PS5.

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Sliders or rosters wont change the logic of the defense and I just tried these and they made absolutely zero difference to the issues shown in the original video.
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