AI "Hitting:" Inside Edge is BROKEN... (Reason AI is so Aggressive) Phot's inside

[JohnDoe8865]

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Guys is important to note that this is not going to fix the a.i take strike issue..

Well that is disappointing, I guess VC will have to patch that issue if it is going to get fixed.

[Bug]

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yea thats how it works guru i wish they would of jus added a swing aggressive slider but im thinking that if we can find a way to balance out the draw walks then you can be on to something is there anything you want me to test if so let me know

[~Guru~]

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I'm confused. See, my concern is getting strikes looking, and Ks looking. Are you seeing any improvement in this at least, or if something is deliberately in the zone do they still swing away every time?

EDIT: In essence, are your strikeouts swinging or are you actually catching them looking?

most of my k's are swinging.....

there is no fix for taking strike 3

that will NOT be fixed with sliders or roster edits...

that is tied into the code of the game...patch will only fix that

[therizing02]

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you will have players swing out of the zone thats why i said that guru is on to something

I'm willing to give this a try, but players swinging out of the zone is not the problem. If you follow the IE pitching reports, you can get K's and even higher pitch counts. I just finished as ANA and lost to TB 4-0 (3 Unearned runs). I threw 102 pitches and stuck out 6. There were plenty of times where the CPU swung at bad pitches.

The problem was that of the 60 strikes I threw only 4 were called strikes. Every CPU player has the hitting eye of Ted Williams. Are you guys saying that if the draw walks rating is increased they'll take more pitches in the strike zone?

[~Guru~]

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yea it sucks...but not many games...even the show has cpu players taking stike 3 calls....

i will be happy with high pitch counts on both sides...and strike outs...

but the slider that should not have been removed is the a.i take strike while behind or ahead of the count...those 2 were crucial

[~Guru~]

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I'm willing to give this a try, but players swinging out of the zone is not the problem. If you follow the IE pitching reports, you can get K's and even higher pitch counts. I just finished as ANA and lost to TB 4-0 (3 Unearned runs). I threw 102 pitches and stuck out 6. There were plenty of times where the CPU swung at bad pitches.

The problem was that of the 60 strikes I threw only 4 were called strikes. Every CPU player has the hitting eye of Ted Williams. Are you guys saying that if the draw walks rating is increased they'll take more pitches in the strike zone?

no...raising the draw walk rating is for drawing walks..and you cant draw walks by taking strikes

[therockstar2005]

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The problem was that of the 60 strikes I threw only 4 were called strikes. Every CPU player has the hitting eye of Ted Williams. Are you guys saying that if the draw walks rating is increased they'll take more pitches in the strike zone?

No, apparently not. They'll just be more willing to take pitches outside of the strike zone. While this is great for a fix, I don't really care as much right now. The only real fix I want is to fix the aggression at the plate so that they won't swing at the first pitch every time. Sigh...oh well. At least everything else is still good.

[therockstar2005]

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yea it sucks...but not many games...even the show has cpu players taking stike 3 calls....

i will be happy with high pitch counts on both sides...and strike outs...

but the slider that should not have been removed is the a.i take strike while behind or ahead of the count...those 2 were crucial

I'd just settle for being able to get strikeouts without having to throw a 12-6 curve for strike 3. That seems to be the only thing that consistently works.

[~Guru~]

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I'd just settle for being able to get strikeouts without having to throw a 12-6 curve for strike 3. That seems to be the only thing that consistently works.

most of my k's come on fastballs or sliders...fastalls down and in and sliders away.....

[sportyguyfl31]

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The IE hot zone/cold zones, BA against, and chase tendencies all seem to be spot on for what I can tell.

You can get k's and swings and misses on things other then breaking balls if you pitch to them.

The thing that seems to be completely out of wack is the draw walk rating.

[Chitown1211]

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I am shocked that even with VC involved, an obvious flaw like this once again gets exposed upon release. Its like 2k baseball is cursed or something. lol


Seriously. I wish they would dust off the WSB game engine, 360ize the graphics and features, and call it a day. This 2k5 and up game engine has been a collosal failure.








Good stuff Joe.

[~Guru~]

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http://www.operationsports.com/forum...ions-only.html

try this test and please provide feedback

[Jistic]

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Well I did one game, edited the Orioles to 95 walk rating across the board. And all I did was get more strikeouts. I had Buhrle pitch 10 innings, 92 pitches.

I just think VC needs to fix it so we can move on.

One thing I do wonder, is why can't we edit the batters K rating?

[therockstar2005]

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New theory, cause I saw this and was curious. There is this stat called: Out by Strikeout for all hitters. What does this stat do? I assume that it influences the odds of getting out by strikeout.

Why is this interesting? Two reasons.

First, for just about every player I've seen, this stat ranges between 80+ and 70 for major leaguers, and as low as 60 for minor leaguers. My current theory, is that the higher this stat, the less likely to strike out, because some players who don't strike out much in real life had a higher value (Pujols is 89) then those who strike out more (Glaus is 76). Methinks if this were lower across the board batters might strike out more and, maybe, just maybe, take those strikeouts.

Second, this stat is not editable. Nothing that I've found has messed with it at all. So, unfortunately, I have no way to mess with this and see what it would do.

The reason I put this here is in the hopes that 2k people do read this, since it's becoming quite an issue, and it might give them somewhere to look at a solution. Way I figure it, if there is any way, crazy as it is, to solve this via roster update, it'll come out a lot faster than any patch will.

Wishful thinking? Maybe. At least it's worth a shot.

[Jistic]

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You're right on both counts rock star. I did some digging and came to the same conslusion.

We just can't edit it, and it sucks. We need to edit rosters to have a chance of making this playable....and the one rating that would be REALLY helpful, we can't.

I do gotta say one thing though, a kudo to VC. After playing the 10 inning game, the commentary was simply amazing. GREAT GREAT job in that department. Man I just hope they fix this so we can enjoy the game.