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Re: 2013 Toronto Blue Jays
Ok.. what is going on? lol
So much hype going into this season after their offseason moves. Obviously this is baseball, so no offseason transaction can guarantee anything, but the Blue Jays have been a very decent/average team the past 3 or 4 years.
Generally I don't get too into standings and such at this point in the year, but the Jays are going from a decent, maybe .500 team, to battling to stay out of the cellar for the entire league.
I did see Jose Reyes went down and he was doing really well at the plate. Is it other injuries? Lawrie is hitting under .200?
Definitely not trying to be a ***** here... just wanted to get a general opinion from the Jays followers around here, since I literally hear nothing about them in the midwest.
What is the biggest issue right now?Denver Broncos
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I think at this moment we have plenty of issues and no quick fix in sight. I can summarize though
1. Our off season acquisitions so far have been disastrous. Other than Reyes they have all not performed to expectations.
2. The much vaunted starting rotation has been horrible. When your best pitcher is J.A. Happ, that's a big problem
3. We don't get on base at all and the only way the team scores is by way of the long ball
4. The defense sucks
Add those all up and you will understand why the Jays are off to such a bad startComment
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Okay Jays fans, what do you think of the comparison some in the media are trying to make with the '89 club which started off 12-24 and went on to win the division?
Personally i'm not seeing the connection here. Yes part of the problem in '89 was that the team was not performing to expectations but the other (and IMO bigger) reason for the slow start was that the players had finally had enough of Jimy Williams and his antics/micro managing. They dogged it in order to get him fired as evidenced by their record when Cito took over.
The 2013 club is just not performing period. There's no reason for them to quit on Gibbons as he's a players manager and he's been protecting the hell out of these guys with public statements that make you wanna shake him because of the absurdity of the denials. I dunno if you guys heard R.A. Dickey's postgame comments yesterday but he got caught admitting that the team is dysfunctional and when he got called out on it he had to do some fancy footwork to say that it isn't dysfunctional in the clubhouse but rather on the field.
This is a just a bad team all around, while most of the players have a track record of success they haven't been a team before thus there's no track record of success from a team standpoint the way the '89 club had previous success to build upon. That '89 clubhouse had been together more or less since '85 so turning it around was more believable. I have no such belief in the 2013 edition of the Blue Jays.Member of the Official OS Bills Backers Club
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Just from looking at the boxscores and stats... it is really surprising to see how the entire team is hitting so awful. Aside from Reyes, everyone else is having a really bad year.
It's very weird to see them hit so awful. Lawrie hitting .197, Bautista hitting .207. There are only 2 players hitting over .250 and one of them is Reyes who's only played 10 games.
The Melky signing and acquiring R.A. were really hit or miss. It looks like both of those are turning out to be big time misses.Denver Broncos
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Went to the game today and they won. It was still pretty sloppy, but they got ahead by manufacturing runs. They hit well and all the luck went their way today. Mark DeRosa crushing a three run HR to dead center? The fans were really supportive, and not down or sarcastic at all. It was nice to see.
On another note it was a beautiful day, but an awful day if you live in the city. I live at High Park and usually bike to the game in about twenty minutes. Today the damn cherry blossoms in High Park were in bloom and it was packed with cars, the marathon was going on down at the lakeshore, and then all the construction around the stadium congested pedestrian and automobile traffic like mad. /rant.Comment
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That 1989 team picked up Mookie Wilson in late July which was a huge addition. They were only a .500 team when they picked him and went on a tear.
But the real reason they made the playoffs was because of ridiculous starting pitching. They had five starters with ERA's under 4.00 and Tom Henke and Duane Ward out of the bullpen.
The 1989 team hadn't had that much success to build upon. There were some holdovers from the 1985 playoff team but there were a lot of players from the 1987 team that crashed and burned at the end of the season in Detroit.
I can't see this year's Jays making a turnaround without similar starting pitching. I haven't seen anything to suggest that these guys can go deep into games other than Morrow's performance last night.
They'd really have to buck their historic trend of being awful against the National League in interleague play for it to happen. We shall see.Comment
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I had forgotten about Mookie Wilson. He truly was a sparkplug for that team but I still contend that at least early on it was a function of quitting on Jimy Williams. You cite that there were also guys from the '87 collapse that made the majority of the '89 team and that's true but I recently watched the '87 stretch drive and while those guys should take a large part of the blame another big part of it was Jimy Williams' piss poor managing and handling of his players.
Nonetheless they really did need a change from Williams to a more laid back guy in Gaston.
Anywho, I believe you're right, it's going to take the same kind of ridiculous pitching that the '89 team possessed in order for the 2013 edition to have any hope of making a playoff run.Member of the Official OS Bills Backers Club
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Send Buehrle to Buffalo. He clearly misses his pitbulls too much to pitch well.Comment
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OTOH Mark DeRosa should have more playing time.Member of the Official OS Bills Backers Club
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That was pretty unbelievable.Comment
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Was that fun or what? Same issues, but at least the team showed something to come back and win. Buerhle is beyond bad at this point. Option his arse out of Toronto because he sucks and I'm not sure it's going to get any better. Colby hit a homer? Wowzers....
I still think we will flatter to deceive, but a win is a win and back-to-back wins at thatComment
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Is this the first time the Jays have won two in a row since the Reyes injury series in KC?Comment
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