The OS Golfer's Thread!

[fistofrage]

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It's tough to say there isn't a swing there, but it's more so a feeling, and "intent". Jim articulates quite well about this because the intent is to stay still in the swing. You are not moving multiple body parts. You are pivoting into your left side, closing your shoulders (as much as you can), and then using that natural swing path it creates to be the backswing and downswing. This creates your swing to be a "lever" and the axis being your left shoulder girdle. Minimizes the movements completely as you are indeed swinging from a set position.

So basically where all the focus in conventional swing method is about movements during the swing, Jim's method is about anchoring the set up position and swinging inside by way of closed shoulders.

If you think about it, the position most good conventional (2 plane) players are as they start their downswing, is the same as what Jim's swing does in full. Back faces target, inside/shallow approach to ball, weight shifting to left (Jim's style - weight is already on left side).

Also, within his school there are multiple videos that show all sorts of shots. I told him about this thread and he may bump in to answer any questions. The guy is really one of the most genuine you will meet. I sent in my video to be analyzed this morning, and he already got it back to me. It's one I"ll have on my blog/vlog as well, because it is a gamechanger for me.

Yep, he seems like a cool laid back guy that wants to help people out. I'm not discounting what he's teaching, just the you tube videos I saw, and I watched probably 10 or 15 of them, didn't really explain where the power was coming from. He's got a nice smooth swing with natural lag. That's a gift you are born with to some extent that can't be taught. SO if you don't have pure natural ability and club head speed, where is the distance going to come from, especially if you aren't driving at all with the right side.

[Matt10]

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Yep, he seems like a cool laid back guy that wants to help people out. I'm not discounting what he's teaching, just the you tube videos I saw, and I watched probably 10 or 15 of them, didn't really explain where the power was coming from. He's got a nice smooth swing with natural lag. That's a gift you are born with to some extent that can't be taught. SO if you don't have pure natural ability and club head speed, where is the distance going to come from, especially if you aren't driving at all with the right side.

The power comes from the bending of the shaft and hitting the inside of the ball. I do agree that lag is one that some guys just have, and some don't. Some of us, me especially, have to learn the hard way to get the proper feel of it. Jim's body type allows lag to happen much more natural than mine. In the search for the swing method, the rotary one worked best for me because of my frame (5'7, 200 lbs), but I still never truly have achieved lag.

The closest to lag that I have really gotten is when I'm getting the right feel in this swing. The Par 3 video here shows the proper feel of lag, to me, it's a "lazy" downswing that just brings the club into the ball, and you can hear the compression, which is why I got some crazy divots - something I have never had before. I'm still trying to translate this feel into the other irons and especially longer clubs.

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[fistofrage]

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The power comes from the bending of the shaft and hitting the inside of the ball. I do agree that lag is one that some guys just have, and some don't. Some of us, me especially, have to learn the hard way to get the proper feel of it. Jim's body type allows lag to happen much more natural than mine. In the search for the swing method, the rotary one worked best for me because of my frame (5'7, 200 lbs), but I still never truly have achieved lag.

The closest to lag that I have really gotten is when I'm getting the right feel in this swing. The Par 3 video here shows the proper feel of lag, to me, it's a "lazy" downswing that just brings the club into the ball, and you can hear the compression, which is why I got some crazy divots - something I have never had before. I'm still trying to translate this feel into the other irons and especially longer clubs.

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I enjoy your videos. Nice job. But you pretty much echoed what my questions are. I see a huge benefit from this method with short clubs and I'm going to work on it tonight, but I don't see how this translates into long irons and woods. But your chipping is solid so that method works.

The other thing about lag is that you have to keep your arms silent. I can cast at the top of my swing and still have and inside path and it totally destroys lag and rob power, so I would like to hear what he says about lag and how he instructs people to not cast at the top of their swing.

[half-fast]

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The main thing I'm going to focus on is ball position. I think I've had the ball too far back in my stance and you have to be real precise. I like what this Jim guy says about finding the natural low point of the swing.

A couple things though I noticed in his videos is that he really never tells you how to swing. He just swings. But he doesn't explain really the proper mechanics of not using your arms until you rip through the shot. I would imagine that a lot of people who just watch his videos cast at the top of the swing. He's obviously has a lot of natural golf ability and a good swing speed, but he never explains how his method can add distance, he seems to be approaching it more from the point of teaching someone who has never made solid contact. And I cant find any videos of him hitting a wood off the deck. Also he says head infront of the ball, I cant see how he can drive the ball with that method. I drive the ball well enough, but I've had to work at keeping my head behind the ball to add distance and not pull it.

I won't interrupt on the Jim talk, but I'd just like to add that I very much support the idea of finding where your swing grounds out. I had never done this until I played a round with a league champion at one of my local courses. He won his league tourney by shooting a 71, 68 and 74. He told me I had all the mechanics down, just that sometimes when I played the ball forward for power, I'd ground out and top it. He told me to find the low end of my swing if I'm having problems and use it. It feels uncomfortable, but whenever j get I to trouble I use that technique and it does a fairly good job of saving me making another mistake.

[fistofrage]

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Went to the range last night. Didn't get as much practice in as I wanted because I took my daughter too and was focusing on her swing so not much time for me to hit shots. I hit about 75 balls with the Jim method. As suspected the wedges through 8 iron were fine. The longer clubs gave me a few issues. I will say though that it was working the left side muscles a little more than normal. I can normally hit a few hundred balls before feeling it. I didn't really notice any change in distance or accuracy with the wedges. The key Jim's method honed in on was finding the low point of the swing. That is going to be the key. His method will get you hitting down on the ball so its useful to at least try to know what that feels like if you aren't getting solid contact.

I'll use his chipping method tonight and see how that goes.

[CC]

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Had an eventful round today. This course is pretty hard and my previous best here was 71, which I've only shot a few times in 30-40 plays over the last six years or so. Beat my buddy that I rarely beat, and my girlfriend actually beat my other friend (he played D1 golf) so I thought it was funny (not really though, he had a nightmare tail end).

Two eagles (one was about an 8-foot putt and the other was a 90-yard hole out). Got kinda excited I guess after the hole out and bogeyed the next two holes, but I was rolling it really well. Had one 3-putt because the pin placement was a pretty good troll job but also dropped a couple 30 footers to make up for it. I have two 69s recorded already from May, but all in all this was probably my best round this year.

[mike24forever]

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Had an eventful round today. This course is pretty hard and my previous best here was 71, which I've only shot a few times in 30-40 plays over the last six years or so. Beat my buddy that I rarely beat, and my girlfriend actually beat my other friend (he played D1 golf) so I thought it was funny (not really though, he had a nightmare tail end).

Two eagles (one was about an 8-foot putt and the other was a 90-yard hole out). Got kinda excited I guess after the hole out and bogeyed the next two holes, but I was rolling it really well. Had one 3-putt because the pin placement was a pretty good troll job but also dropped a couple 30 footers to make up for it. I have two 69s recorded already from May, but all in all this was probably my best round this year.

Incredible round. The difference between me and you, I circle my pars and put squares around my birdies.

My week is booked up nicely. Monday to Friday all my tee times are around 9:00am. Tomorrow will be my 29th round of the summer.

[countryboy]

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Incredible round. The difference between me and you, I circle my pars and put squares around my birdies.

My week is booked up nicely. Monday to Friday all my tee times are around 9:00am. Tomorrow will be my 29th round of the summer.

I probably won't play 29 rounds all year.

[mike24forever]

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I probably won't play 29 rounds all year.

Last year I teed it up 123 times, hoping to hit 130 this summer. Also, I don't work and I use golf as a form of physiotherapy during the summer months. So, that's my excuse as to why I play so much golf.

Also, shot 79 today. Slowly getting some consistency in my game.

[Matt10]

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My Round from last Sunday, just wanted to focus on PLAYING golf, not so much playing the Golf Swing....

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[Matt10]

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Also, I just shot my best round this year. 80.

[fistofrage]

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Also, I just shot my best round this year. 80.

Yeah I think I would ditch that Jim guys method. Your regular swing looks fine.

The more videos I watched, the more I realized Jim doesn't really explain how to get power. 70% of the power of the swing comes from lag and driving off the back leg. He's got a good natural swing with a lot of lag so he can use his method, but after messing with it on the range its only really going to work on short irons and it will mess up the rest of your game because you need multiple types of swings. No way Jim's swing is going to work for driver, woods, and long irons for the common golfer.

In fact after messing with the swing on the on range, I went out and shot 90 on a really windy misty day. So I went back to the range and undid it and shot a 79 on Friday and a 81 yesterday. I do like what he says about chipping, but honestly I'd scrap everything else.

[Matt10]

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Yeah I think I would ditch that Jim guys method. Your regular swing looks fine.

The more videos I watched, the more I realized Jim doesn't really explain how to get power. 70% of the power of the swing comes from lag and driving off the back leg. He's got a good natural swing with a lot of lag so he can use his method, but after messing with it on the range its only really going to work on short irons and it will mess up the rest of your game because you need multiple types of swings. No way Jim's swing is going to work for driver, woods, and long irons for the common golfer.

In fact after messing with the swing on the on range, I went out and shot 90 on a really windy misty day. So I went back to the range and undid it and shot a 79 on Friday and a 81 yesterday. I do like what he says about chipping, but honestly I'd scrap everything else.

I can see how it would benefit taller players. My hindrance for distance has been my size (5'7, 205 lbs), so I have to take full importance on things like lag, solid contact, weight shift, etc. The problem is trying to find the most simplest way to do that. I learned one thing about the grip/set up online last weekend, and the result has been absolutely pure contact. I know I'm still not getting full lag, and may still be casting, but I am striking the ball so well. That little bit of the grip/set up is now automatic, and from there it's just utilizing width in the swing, without a big weight shift.

I started re-reading The LAWS of the Golf Swing ( https://www.amazon.com/LAWs-Golf-Swi.../dp/0062708155 ) from years ago when I first picked up this game, and it's validated my decision to just get a couple things down with the set up, and then use a golf swing that is natural to my body type (endomorph, if you care).

Here's my line of thinking because now it's not a golf "method", just validation of body type for the natural of my swing:

from: http://www.golftipsmag.com/instructi...aws-revisited/

The three basic body types are Ectomorph, which features a great deal of flexibility, Mesomorph, which combines strength and flexibility, and Endomorph, which features strength and thickness, but significantly less flexibility.

[fistofrage]

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I can see how it would benefit taller players. My hindrance for distance has been my size (5'7, 205 lbs), so I have to take full importance on things like lag, solid contact, weight shift, etc. The problem is trying to find the most simplest way to do that. I learned one thing about the grip/set up online last weekend, and the result has been absolutely pure contact. I know I'm still not getting full lag, and may still be casting, but I am striking the ball so well. That little bit of the grip/set up is now automatic, and from there it's just utilizing width in the swing, without a big weight shift.

I started re-reading The LAWS of the Golf Swing ( https://www.amazon.com/LAWs-Golf-Swi.../dp/0062708155 ) from years ago when I first picked up this game, and it's validated my decision to just get a couple things down with the set up, and then use a golf swing that is natural to my body type (endomorph, if you care).

Here's my line of thinking because now it's not a golf "method", just validation of body type for the natural of my swing:

from: http://www.golftipsmag.com/instructi...aws-revisited/

I'm 6'4 so I don't think his swing works for taller players either. I think it works for him because it suits him because it fits him naturally. Just like there are things I do that work for me and there are going to be things that work for you. Everyone has their own swing, golf DNA. But I can tell you that more than 50% of the power in the swing comes from creating lag and driving through the ball. When your hips and shoulders turn, your arms naturally move down, then you rip through the ball. If you start the swing from the ground up, you get coil, lag and explosiveness. Maybe he gets that, but he sure doesn't explain how he gets it and most people wont get it with all the weight on the left side.

[Skyboxer]

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Well the last couple days I've decided to get my driver worked out for good. My irons are pretty spot on but driver consistency has been hurting.
Basically went against the norm and did what felt comfortable for me.
Since the change I'm bombing (for me) drives and am very accurate.

What I did was go to a slightly strong grip and pre set a shaft lean which really helped me keep a level to slightly inside out swing.
I know using a forward shaft lean with driver isn't seen often or maybe at all(At least I haven't seen it).. but that little thing has done wonders for me.
The shaft isn't forward at contact but the lean just makes it so much easier for me to take the club back on plane and return to same area.
I have an 11am tee time tomorrow and will be game-golfing for the first time this year.

We'll see how it goes "Live"