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  • AIRJ23
    MVP
    • Apr 2021
    • 2804

    #616
    Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

    Originally posted by amioran
    I don't know if I understand correctly what you are saying. Are you talking about the Contest Shots tendency slider? That certainly influences how much you are contested but it's not really the same as effecting the % making of contested shots. There's no "Contested shot SUCCESS" slider right now, that's all the point.

    We don't have a real slider that governs the making % of contested shots (as you have for contact shots in the paint). Even a slightly contested shot (less than 10%) right now has a much lower (extremely lower) percentage of success than a open shot unless you green it. That's not consistent with the NBA and so the only real way to resolve the issue is to actually lower how strong a contest actually is (either by the defensive sliders or also by the contest shot tendency) but that's not the same as actually changing the % of making a contested shot. We have this possibility for layups and inside shots (the Contact Shot slider) but we don't have it for Jump shots atm.
    Isn’t there a contested shots slider in the shooting slider section?

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    • rudyjuly2
      Cade Cunningham
      • Aug 2002
      • 14815

      #617
      Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

      For contested be open shots I have shot contest/release at 0 and the new shot coverage slider at 10. Really ballots you to hit contested shots and reduce open ones.

      Yes, the shot coverage slider being dropped reduces the overall shooting. So I boost shooting sliders for mid and 3s. I think I have cpu 3 at 65 and mine at 57. Works for me.

      https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...ocudj3TZk/edit
      Last edited by rudyjuly2; 10-19-2021, 04:48 AM.

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      • Reddcheese
        Rookie
        • Oct 2012
        • 73

        #618
        Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

        Originally posted by AIRJ23
        Isn’t there a contested shots slider in the shooting slider section?
        I reckon on the day of Chases’ plea to the devs we’ve got these kooks talking about contested shots!

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        • Smirkin Dirk
          All Star
          • Oct 2008
          • 5179

          #619
          Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

          Not sure what you're all seeing, but my settings don't work at all now.

          I set them at the start of a game, look at them after a possession an they say...for example...Switch (None).

          So yeah. This is going well since launch.
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          • Smirkin Dirk
            All Star
            • Oct 2008
            • 5179

            #620
            Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

            So here's a list of things to do.

            1. Switch sides at start of every game to jack both help d sliders to 100.

            2. Go into coach settings to adjust any controller settings that have changed for no reason.

            3. Manually add in freelances and series every time to your team because it can't remember.

            4. Periodically flick one defensive setting to the right and they all mysteriously go from (none) to (all) for a possession or 2.

            5. Frantically flick through the D pad on the first possession to set your series/freelance and try to get it across toavoid the 8 second rule because you can move and do it.

            Im exhausted from trying to play this game.
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            • jk31
              MVP
              • Sep 2014
              • 2662

              #621
              Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

              Originally posted by Smirkin Dirk
              So here's a list of things to do.

              1. Switch sides at start of every game to jack both help d sliders to 100.

              2. Go into coach settings to adjust any controller settings that have changed for no reason.

              3. Manually add in freelances and series every time to your team because it can't remember.

              4. Periodically flick one defensive setting to the right and they all mysteriously go from (none) to (all) for a possession or 2.

              5. Frantically flick through the D pad on the first possession to set your series/freelance and try to get it across toavoid the 8 second rule because you can move and do it.

              Im exhausted from trying to play this game.
              If you are playing online you have to add an additional step at the start of the game: </br> </br> 6. Go into coach settings and set ACE to off (or whatever non-default value you like to set it to) and then set team communications to on (or whatever non-default value you like to set it to).

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              • AIRJ23
                MVP
                • Apr 2021
                • 2804

                #622
                Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                My bad. I realized it’s called CONTACT SHOT SUCCESS. Isn’t that the same as contested shot success? Or does that just mean fouled shots go in.

                Originally posted by Smirkin Dirk
                So here's a list of things to do.

                1. Switch sides at start of every game to jack both help d sliders to 100.

                2. Go into coach settings to adjust any controller settings that have changed for no reason.

                3. Manually add in freelances and series every time to your team because it can't remember.

                4. Periodically flick one defensive setting to the right and they all mysteriously go from (none) to (all) for a possession or 2.

                5. Frantically flick through the D pad on the first possession to set your series/freelance and try to get it across toavoid the 8 second rule because you can move and do it.

                Im exhausted from trying to play this game.
                I honestly don’t think the help d sliders work at all. Someone said they actually work in reverse. So I gave up and put them back to 50.

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                • ataman5
                  MVP
                  • Jun 2007
                  • 2620

                  #623
                  Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                  Originally posted by ChaseB
                  Part 1 and Part 2 are now up. They link to this thread. I will also update alabamarob's OP in this thread just to put these links there as well.

                  Again, thanks to everyone for contributing in the thread.
                  Great write up, thank you Chase. Especially the part 2 and its Online Vs. Offline headline is important about what was the issue and what was the issue for that specific community versus our community which HOF guys online or offline so, a well explained example of giving up the corner 3 as the different communities looked at the issue was a great angle to look up on.

                  Let's just hope for the better now....

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                  • alabamarob
                    MVP
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 3340

                    #624
                    Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                    Originally posted by jk31
                    If you are playing online you have to add an additional step at the start of the game: </br> </br> 6. Go into coach settings and set ACE to off (or whatever non-default value you like to set it to) and then set team communications to on (or whatever non-default value you like to set it to).
                    What does turning on team communications do? I thought that was only a visual thing
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                    • vannwolfhawk
                      MVP
                      • Jun 2009
                      • 3412

                      #625
                      Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                      Originally posted by alabamarob
                      What does turning on team communications do? I thought that was only a visual thing
                      Probably to just get in the head of your middle school AI defenders brains to have an idea of what they are doing while doing the opposite of what you told them to do.
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                      • vannwolfhawk
                        MVP
                        • Jun 2009
                        • 3412

                        #626
                        Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                        Originally posted by Smirkin Dirk
                        So here's a list of things to do.

                        1. Switch sides at start of every game to jack both help d sliders to 100.

                        2. Go into coach settings to adjust any controller settings that have changed for no reason.

                        3. Manually add in freelances and series every time to your team because it can't remember.

                        4. Periodically flick one defensive setting to the right and they all mysteriously go from (none) to (all) for a possession or 2.

                        5. Frantically flick through the D pad on the first possession to set your series/freelance and try to get it across toavoid the 8 second rule because you can move and do it.

                        Im exhausted from trying to play this game.
                        Hahaha that’s funny! Man the struggle is real! Today is the start of the season. Hoping a patch drops today or tomorrow?!
                        Basketball Playbooks
                        http://www.nextplayhoops.com

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                        • Becanes
                          Pro
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 872

                          #627
                          Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                          Originally posted by vannwolfhawk
                          Hahaha that’s funny! Man the struggle is real! Today is the start of the season. Hoping a patch drops today or tomorrow?!
                          Hoping those playbooks drop today.

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                          • jk31
                            MVP
                            • Sep 2014
                            • 2662

                            #628
                            Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                            Originally posted by vannwolfhawk
                            Probably to just get in the head of your middle school AI defenders brains to have an idea of what they are doing while doing the opposite of what you told them to do.

                            It does exactly that. I turn it on "Defense only" so I can see what my AI defenders want to do. You can see stuff like "go over", "hedge", "dropping", "switch" and such which makes it much easier to understand what the AI does. That way for example I also know which pick and roll defensive settings work and which don't. "Dropping" you can only get with the hedge defense on Auto. It will never trigger when selecting "no hedge" or "catch hedge".

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                            • Becanes
                              Pro
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 872

                              #629
                              Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                              I believe there was a tuning update yesterday and I feel things are a little better now. I'm seeing some help.

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                              • ChaseB
                                #BringBackFaceuary
                                • Oct 2003
                                • 9844

                                #630
                                Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                                Originally posted by Smirkin Dirk
                                So here's a list of things to do.

                                1. Switch sides at start of every game to jack both help d sliders to 100.

                                2. Go into coach settings to adjust any controller settings that have changed for no reason.

                                3. Manually add in freelances and series every time to your team because it can't remember.

                                4. Periodically flick one defensive setting to the right and they all mysteriously go from (none) to (all) for a possession or 2.

                                5. Frantically flick through the D pad on the first possession to set your series/freelance and try to get it across toavoid the 8 second rule because you can move and do it.

                                Im exhausted from trying to play this game.
                                #5 Is not a new thing. Every timeout, your ish resets and you always have to go into the quick menu to change it coming out of the timeout so the freelance sticks/your base strategy on offense sticks. It's been an issue for years haha.
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