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  • BurnsideAdmiral
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    • May 2011
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    #526
    Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

    I love Brandon Jennings but he's nowhere near the talent Irving is and seriously Williams??? Only reason anyone knows his name is because of what he did in the tournament this year. Anyone seen his stats from last year? Not impressive at all. That's why he plays on the West Coast.

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    • Hassan Darkside
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      • Sep 2003
      • 7561

      #527
      Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

      Originally posted by BurnsideAdmiral
      I love Brandon Jennings but he's nowhere near the talent Irving is and seriously Williams??? Only reason anyone knows his name is because of what he did in the tournament this year. Anyone seen his stats from last year? Not impressive at all. That's why he plays on the West Coast.
      Watch him play sometime.
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      • Yeah...THAT Guy
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        • Dec 2006
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        #528
        Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

        Originally posted by BurnsideAdmiral
        I love Brandon Jennings but he's nowhere near the talent Irving is and seriously Williams??? Only reason anyone knows his name is because of what he did in the tournament this year. Anyone seen his stats from last year? Not impressive at all. That's why he plays on the West Coast.
        While using this logic, you could say drafting Blake Griffin was a horrible decision too considering the majority of people thought Griffin was a freshman in college due to the fact that nobody knew who he was when he was actually a freshman.

        Not saying Williams is going to be like Griffin, but there are some similarities. Both are a little small to play the 4, but their athleticism and motor make up for it in Griffin's case and might make up for it in Williams'. Griffin elevated Oklahoma to a #1 or #2 seed, while Williams took Arizona on a surprisingly deep tournament run. Griffin is definitely more athletic and stronger as well, but Williams also has a much better shot. I thought Griffin was going to be a bust in the NBA, but I didn't recognize how hard he works and Williams certainly works his *** off on the court as well.

        I think the likelihood of Milwaukee actually trading Jennings is pretty slim to none, but Cleveland could do a lot worse than Jennings and Williams.
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        • Yeah...THAT Guy
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          • Dec 2006
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          #529
          Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

          Update regarding the Jennings thing:
          According to ESPN Insider, John Hammond says that the Bucks would demand that Cleveland take on Salmons, Maggette, or Gooden. I think that's a no-go for Cleveland lol
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          • BlueNGold
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            #530
            Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

            Originally posted by Yeah...THAT Guy
            Update regarding the Jennings thing:
            According to ESPN Insider, John Hammond says that the Bucks would demand that Cleveland take on Salmons, Maggette, or Gooden. I think that's a no-go for Cleveland lol
            Hellllllll no.

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            • ProfessaPackMan
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              • Mar 2008
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              #531
              Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

              I, too am also starting to fall in love with Kenneth Faried as well.
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              • cubsfan203
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                • Jun 2004
                • 6689

                #532
                Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

                Originally posted by BurnsideAdmiral
                I love Brandon Jennings but he's nowhere near the talent Irving is and seriously Williams??? Only reason anyone knows his name is because of what he did in the tournament this year. Anyone seen his stats from last year? Not impressive at all. That's why he plays on the West Coast.
                What?

                Williams was one of the most productive and efficient offensive players in the country last year. Defense might be a different story, but there is no doubt in my mind that he can score and rebound.
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                • BurnsideAdmiral
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                  • May 2011
                  • 217

                  #533
                  Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

                  NBA you have to create your own shot a lot. How can you create your own shot when you dribble off your own foot when you go to put it on the floor? Maybe not to that extent but he has terrible handles. He'll be a good player for other teams but I just don't want him coming to Cleveland. I'd like the Cavs to take a field general point guard (Irving) a solid big man (Kanter) and a guy that can score at will (Jones/Barnes in the next draft). I don't think Williams is anywhere near the type of scorer that Jones and Barnes are.

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                  • wwharton
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                    • Aug 2002
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                    #534
                    Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

                    Originally posted by BurnsideAdmiral
                    NBA you have to create your own shot a lot. How can you create your own shot when you dribble off your own foot when you go to put it on the floor? Maybe not to that extent but he has terrible handles. He'll be a good player for other teams but I just don't want him coming to Cleveland. I'd like the Cavs to take a field general point guard (Irving) a solid big man (Kanter) and a guy that can score at will (Jones/Barnes in the next draft). I don't think Williams is anywhere near the type of scorer that Jones and Barnes are.
                    That's a very, very (very) bad example, lol. If you get the ball on the wing and have a decent jumper and some quickness, all it takes is a jab step and/or pump fake arsenal and one or two dribbles to get at the rim. Most of the mistakes we see with "handle" come from players trying to do too much... easy to be taught out of that.

                    I agree with most of your post actually, but just not the first sentence.

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                    • Yeah...THAT Guy
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                      • Dec 2006
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                      #535
                      Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

                      Originally posted by BurnsideAdmiral
                      NBA you have to create your own shot a lot. How can you create your own shot when you dribble off your own foot when you go to put it on the floor? Maybe not to that extent but he has terrible handles. He'll be a good player for other teams but I just don't want him coming to Cleveland. I'd like the Cavs to take a field general point guard (Irving) a solid big man (Kanter) and a guy that can score at will (Jones/Barnes in the next draft). I don't think Williams is anywhere near the type of scorer that Jones and Barnes are.
                      I think he has better handles than he does footwork lol. With his athleticism, I don't think he really needs handles to be effective. Blake Griffin isn't that good of a ball handler either but he makes up for it because he has solid footwork and average enough handles that he can keep it together when he does some of his moves to get past people.
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                      • BurnsideAdmiral
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                        #536
                        Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

                        Originally posted by Yeah...THAT Guy
                        I think he has better handles than he does footwork lol. With his athleticism, I don't think he really needs handles to be effective. Blake Griffin isn't that good of a ball handler either but he makes up for it because he has solid footwork and average enough handles that he can keep it together when he does some of his moves to get past people.
                        Griffin also can't hit a jumpshot outside of 7 ft.

                        I don't know I guess I just think Williams is just too one dimensional and will get shut down when he goes against the bigger guys in the NBA. Perk looked pretty bad this year playing for OKC but if you put Perk on him, he shuts down Williams 80% of the time and forces him to give it up.

                        I just want Cleveland to get someone more dynamic on offense for their scorer.

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                        • Hassan Darkside
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                          • Sep 2003
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                          #537
                          Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

                          Originally posted by Chris Broussard via Twitter
                          Cavs absorb Rip Hamilton into 14.6 mill trade exception & get Det's 8th pick. Cavs send 4th & 8th picks to Minny for 2nd pick
                          Wow. I like this for Cleveland.

                          Edit for clarity: Just being discussed, nothing official.
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                            #538
                            Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

                            Originally posted by Ruff Ryder
                            Wow. I like this for Cleveland.

                            Edit for clarity: Just being discussed, nothing official.
                            yeah, if they can make that deal happen, very solid for the Cavs IMO..
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                            • cubsball899
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                              • Jan 2010
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                              #539
                              Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

                              if i'm cleveland .. i stay with the 1 and 4...

                              to me i don't see much difference in the 4th and 2nd pick this year. i am not an expert though lol

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                              • chadskee
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                                • Dec 2006
                                • 1324

                                #540
                                Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

                                Originally posted by Ruff Ryder
                                Wow. I like this for Cleveland.

                                Edit for clarity: Just being discussed, nothing official.
                                4th and 8th? Don't know if like..

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