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  • bigfnjoe96
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    • Feb 2004
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    #796
    Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

    Originally posted by The Big Squeezy
    No clue if it's been mentioned, but I just saw a tweet from Adrian Wojnarowski that the Cavs are trying to get a 3rd pick in the 1st round by using our two second round picks and some cash.

    Also, I have this gut feeling that Kemba will be the best point guard to come out of this draft. Don't ask me why because I don't know why, it's just a gut feeling. I think when we look back on this draft in 5 years the PG ranking will go:

    Walker
    Irving
    Knight
    @34 & 52 I doubt anyone would trade down for those 2 picks & cash, unless a future 1st is added

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    • justblaze09
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      #797
      Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

      Originally posted by 1Rose
      He's a SG in a PG body and proved so at UCONN by jacking up the 2nd most field goal attempts in the country, only to Jimmer. That's not indicative of a play making PG.
      With 6 freshmen and no real scorer returning from the year before, he had to be the #1 option until someone else stepped up (and that didn't happen until around tournament time).

      Originally posted by z4ckdabeast
      Kemba was a scorer this year because he needed to be. He didn't need to be as much of a scorer his sophomore year, so he wasn't.
      Exactly

      If Kemba was one year younger, this wouldn't seem "crazy" to some of y'all. Time will tell though.
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      • ex carrabba fan
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        #798
        Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

        We'll see if this guy is a credible source

        The Houston Rockets will trade the 14th and 23rd overall picks in Thursday's NBA Draft to the Milwaukee Bucks for the 10th pick, according to Jonathan Givony of DraftExpress.

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        • Yeah...THAT Guy
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          #799
          Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

          Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
          We'll see if this guy is a credible source

          The Houston Rockets will trade the 14th and 23rd overall picks in Thursday's NBA Draft to the Milwaukee Bucks for the 10th pick, according to Jonathan Givony of DraftExpress.
          Ooooh, I'm interested as a Bucks fan. I mean, the last thing we need right now is depth, but at 14, we can get Thompson or Marshon Brooks (even though I like Burks better) and then perhaps Tyler Honeycutt at 23 or something? I wouldn't mind Thompson and Honeycutt at all, but I would definitely prefer to find a way to get rid of Salmons or Maggette in that deal. Any. Way. Possible. lol
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          • cubsfan203
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            #800
            Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

            I also have doubts of Kemba being a "true" point guard. He's going to get his points, but I don't think a score first point guard is what a lot of teams need right now.

            As for him "needing to score," he didn't exactly do a great job at getting his teammates opportunities to score. I remember countless times watching UConn games where he would just iso and then take a jump shot at the elbow without thinking of passing the ball.
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            • TheTruth437
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              • Jan 2011
              • 396

              #801
              Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

              Originally posted by The Big Squeezy
              No clue if it's been mentioned, but I just saw a tweet from Adrian Wojnarowski that the Cavs are trying to get a 3rd pick in the 1st round by using our two second round picks and some cash.

              Also, I have this gut feeling that Kemba will be the best point guard to come out of this draft. Don't ask me why because I don't know why, it's just a gut feeling. I think when we look back on this draft in 5 years the PG ranking will go:

              Walker
              Irving
              Knight
              ... I'll believe it when I see it. I doubt either one of those things happen.
              Last edited by TheTruth437; 06-21-2011, 06:13 PM.

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              • Yeah...THAT Guy
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                • Dec 2006
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                #802
                Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

                Originally posted by The Big Squeezy
                No clue if it's been mentioned, but I just saw a tweet from Adrian Wojnarowski that the Cavs are trying to get a 3rd pick in the 1st round by using our two second round picks and some cash.

                Also, I have this gut feeling that Kemba will be the best point guard to come out of this draft. Don't ask me why because I don't know why, it's just a gut feeling. I think when we look back on this draft in 5 years the PG ranking will go:

                Walker
                Irving
                Knight
                For what it's worth, it sounds like Greg Anthony and Steve Smith agree with you. At least Steve Smith does. But he also says Ricky Rubio shouldn't be getting minutes over Luke Ridnour or Jonny Flynn next year until he proves that he can play, so take that with a grain of salt lol.

                Personally, I think Brandon Knight is the #2 PG prospect in this draft, but I honestly think Fredette will end up being the second best PG in this draft. I think it'll end up being:
                1. Irving
                2. Jimmer
                3. Kemba
                4. Knight
                5. Nolan/Reggie Jackson/Josh Selby

                But I agree with the majority that say Knight is the 2nd best PG prospect. I just think Jimmer and Kemba will end up being the better NBA players.
                Last edited by Yeah...THAT Guy; 06-21-2011, 06:19 PM.
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                • ehh
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                  • Mar 2003
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                  #803
                  Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

                  Originally posted by z4ckdabeast
                  During the tournament, Brandon Knight had worse assist numbers and was less efficient than Kemba, but no one ever points that out.

                  And besides, people can change their game. It's rare, but it can definitely happen. Steve Nash was an inefficient scorer in college.*

                  *I am not in any way saying Kemba Walker will turn into Steve Nash.
                  It's pretty amazing how much hate Kemba gets while Knight is largely getting by scott-free. I'll say it now, I guarantee Walker has a better pro career than Brandon Knight.
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                  • BlueNGold
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                    #804
                    Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

                    Originally posted by ehh
                    It's pretty amazing how much hate Kemba gets while Knight is largely getting by scott-free. I'll say it now, I guarantee Walker has a better pro career than Brandon Knight.
                    I think this too.

                    Speaking of Kemba, Woj tweeted that Toronto and Detroit might pass on him if he gets to #5 or #8. Kinda surprising to be honest. I think he'd be a great fit with the Raptors running with all their young guys like DeRozan and Davis.
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                    • NYJets
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                      #805
                      Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

                      I have not been impressed with Knight. Granted, the 2 times I really focused on watching him was 2 really bad games he had against UConn, so I may be putting to much stock into that, rather than other times I saw him play where I probably wasn't paying as much attention. BUt I haven't been overly impressed with his athleticism or playmaking ability. I think he gets by on the fact that he was highly rated out of high school and was always talked about as a one and done. I don't really see the justification of taking him over Kemba.
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                      • ehh
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                        • Mar 2003
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                        #806
                        Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

                        Originally posted by NYJets
                        I don't really see the justification of taking him over Kemba.
                        Literally the only real reason I've seen is "he's taller".

                        It's surprising to me, before Knight ever played a game at UK every damn scout out there acknowledged that he wasn't in the same league as Rose, Evans and Wall. He pretty much proved that this year at UK. Now he's a top three pick? Okay, boss.
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                        • The Big Squeezy
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                          #807
                          Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

                          If Kemba was as tall a Kyrie (6'3" or 6'4") would he be getting more love than he is now? I understand a lot of people say he isn't a true point but part of me thinks that people would like him more if he was taller.
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                          • WTF
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                            #808
                            Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

                            I'm a UK fan, and I'm not a Knight fan at all. I'd take Kemba any day of the week over him, no question asked. I find it hard to find an accurate comparison for him, but I'm with you guys. Definitely not high on him.
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                            • TheTruth437
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                              #809
                              Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

                              Originally posted by BlueNGold
                              I think this too.

                              Speaking of Kemba, Woj tweeted that Toronto and Detroit might pass on him if he gets to #5 or #8. Kinda surprising to be honest. I think he'd be a great fit with the Raptors running with all their young guys like DeRozan and Davis.
                              The Raptors might pass on Kemba, but I have my doubts that they will end up passing on him. It seems like Toronto is likely going to take Kemba, if Knight isn't available, based on what I have read on a certain website. http://twitter.com/#!/TheHoopsReport
                              Last edited by TheTruth437; 06-21-2011, 07:19 PM.

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                              • PhantomPain
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                                • Jan 2003
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                                #810
                                Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

                                Here is my take on Knight from a UK fan standpoint:

                                He has the length, quickness, athleticism and IQ to have a long successful career in the NBA. He will likely have a couple of 30-40 point games in his career due to his stroke from the outside (when he is hot he is hot).

                                With that said, he will also likely never be an All Star. He will be a "good" pg in the NBA but never a star. I think Irving has the chance to be a star for several years and I think Kemba may go through a "star" period (2-6 years) but not over his career.

                                Back to Knight. His 3 biggest strengths are his shooting ability, his work ethic and his IQ. That alone will give him a successful career. He can and does go left but he isn't great at it. His ball handling is slightly above average but his ability to break down a defender is slightly below average. He can get in the lane and take a hit for the "and one" but needs to get better at it. He has a great floater that will come in handy in the NBA and an above average mid range shot. He needs to learn and understand how to have better vision and play making abilities though.

                                But, and its a BIG BUTT, the one caveat with Knight and why it can be hard to project his career is that he is extremely intelligent. When you take a player and combine his IQ and work ethic, big things "can" happen. Will they? Possibly. Do I think so? Not really. But I do think Knight is a guy that will have a long and successful career as a PG and if on the right team, can bring home a championship or two.
                                Last edited by PhantomPain; 06-21-2011, 07:28 PM.
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