Armor & Sword & Marino's MLB The Show 17 Timed/Classic Simulation All-Star Sliders

[VincesVictims]

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I don't agree with this. One time Vladimir Guerrero hit a home run on a ball that bounced. Good hitters hit the ball hard that are great pitches. We shouldn't have to just sit and wait on a meatball down the middle.

Also, interesting thought on fouls. I wonder the same thing. I hit tons of balls hard that hook just foul. If some of those would stay fair, double... I may move it back to default.


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Guys hit good pitches for base hits not doubles. Know yes great hitters do but for the most part a great spotted pitch gets outs.

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[Gagnon39]

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I don't mean to hijack the thread so I'll try not to overload it with much more on this particular subject. However, one last thing is what's the rationale behind having fouls at 3? I wonder if that would in fact result in a few more doubles here and there. Like I said, I have a lot of balls that look like they're down the line that juts hook foul.

Lastly, my wind speed is at 3. I'm afraid that if I put it back at default my insane amount of home runs might get worse.

Ultimately, I (like most everyone) want a slider set/difficult that doesn't need constant adjustment to skill level. I think at some point the player's skill should hit a ceiling and then ratings for players in the game have the largest impact on outcomes. That is essentially what I'm going for.


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[Armor and Sword]

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I don't agree with this. One time Vladimir Guerrero hit a home run on a ball that bounced. Good hitters hit the ball hard that are great pitches. We shouldn't have to just sit and wait on a meatball down the middle.

Also, interesting thought on fouls. I wonder the same thing. I hit tons of balls hard that hook just foul. If some of those would stay fair, double... I may move it back to default.


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Great hitters.....not most hitters.

I have hit some awesome shots on pitchers pitches with great hitters. I guess I am truly playing a different game than some.

With great hitters I have inside outted balls on my hands (not at a high success rate but it has happened). I have gone the other way on low and outside strikes, and have turned on up and in and down and in pitches. I am able to get some wood on some of those typres of pitches with again...highly rated and skilled hitters. But most hitters you need to wait for mistake pitches. That is the reality for most MLB players. What seperates the Elite rare air guys is the ability to hit tough pitchers pitches and even those guys are succesful 3/10 times.

Think about that.

I really don't know what to tell you. But I am not having any issues with the game that are this blatant. I can't really tell what to do because I am not getting this at all.

I had far more aggravating warts with 16 because the physics were not life like. Cheetah catchers, constant line outs and fly outs where this year balls sail, zig then zag, drop in for bloops, bleeders.

It is a whole new world on The Show and I feel terrible for anyone that went back to 16. While I respect anyones opinion on the game, I am giving mine and I am mind boggled at how anyone can feel this game is less "balanced"

The change in hitting and fielding this year has been a dramatic shift from the same old predictable physics of MLB 14-16 to this brave new world of real life like ball physics and Humanity AI in the field with urgency and non urgency throws and animations and OF's getting bad jumps, great jumps, bad angles and great angles on balls.

I have seen so many gorgeous down the line doubles into the the corners, off the wall doubles and triples. Just the sheer variety is mind blowing.

And after over 100 hours of playing time.....I am still seeing new stuff.

BLOWN AWAY.

[jake44np]

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So in the last two days I have really changed my hitting style.
I watched Armor play a game on twitch and noticed how he took so many pitches and took his advice on his hitting approach and I will be damn but it works.

I have scored 9. 5, 7, 4, 8, 3, and 1 runs in my last 6 games over the last few days.
I have raised my team BA from .228 to .240 over that span alone. I had a game in which I hit 6 doubles, I had never done that on this years version. I am really loving this game now!

So what I do is take until I get a strike almost every at bat. If the first pitch is a ball I will take another pitch. If it runs to 2-0 I will again take a pitch. Same thing again, if it is 3-0 I will take a pitch.
So once I get a strike and its a 3-1 count I set on a fast ball and use the power button with every player. 9 times out of 10 on a 3-0 or 3-1 count the CPU is throwing a FB right down the middle. Set on that FB and crush it! This has led to a huge spike in extra base hits for me.
if I fall behind in any count in which I have 2 strikes I always use the contact swing with every hitter. Once I even the count or get ahead I go back to the regular swing.

Also pay attention to the CPU pitcher confidence meter, it is extremely important.
If the CPU confidence meter is way down and he is struggling I abandon taking a lot of pitches especially with my power or good hitters. When their meter is way down and they are struggling they tend to try to get ahead with fastballs down the middle on the first couple of pitches. Again set on the FB and crush it.

These few easy steps have led to me getting 10-13 hits a game and 4-6 extra base hits instead of 4-5 hits and 1 or 2 extra base hits.
I played the first 40 games of my Reds swinging at almost every pitch. I was swinging at way too many bad pitches. I know for me playing video games usually means jumping in and button smashing. In this game you must be patient or you will struggle to hit.

Now pitching.... lol

[BZito75]

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One thing thats helped me (for now) and its purely aesthetic is:
1. turned vibration on (for classic pitching since im still new to it (meter guy)
2. turned API on (i want the catcher to call the game)
3. turned the cursor to fade (for me i just like knowing im placing the ball where the catcher wants)

once i get pitching a little bit more effectively, i can just turn those off

[Gagnon39]

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Great hitters.....not most hitters.

I have hit some awesome shots on pitchers pitches with great hitters. I guess I am truly playing a different game than some.

With great hitters I have inside outted balls on my hands (not at a high success rate but it has happened). I have gone the other way on low and outside strikes, and have turned on up and in and down and in pitches. I am able to get some wood on some of those typres of pitches with again...highly rated and skilled hitters. But most hitters you need to wait for mistake pitches. That is the reality for most MLB players. What seperates the Elite rare air guys is the ability to hit tough pitchers pitches and even those guys are succesful 3/10 times.

Think about that.

I really don't know what to tell you. But I am not having any issues with the game that are this blatant. I can't really tell what to do because I am not getting this at all.

I had far more aggravating warts with 16 because the physics were not life like. Cheetah catchers, constant line outs and fly outs where this year balls sail, zig then zag, drop in for bloops, bleeders.

It is a whole new world on The Show and I feel terrible for anyone that went back to 16. While I respect anyones opinion on the game, I am giving mine and I am mind boggled at how anyone can feel this game is less "balanced"

The change in hitting and fielding this year has been a dramatic shift from the same old predictable physics of MLB 14-16 to this brave new world of real life like ball physics and Humanity AI in the field with urgency and non urgency throws and animations and OF's getting bad jumps, great jumps, bad angles and great angles on balls.

I have seen so many gorgeous down the line doubles into the the corners, off the wall doubles and triples. Just the sheer variety is mind blowing.

And after over 100 hours of playing time.....I am still seeing new stuff.

BLOWN AWAY.

I know I've asked you before but do you move your analog stick while the pitch is on its way to the plate?


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[EWRMETS]

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So what I do is take until I get a strike almost every at bat. If the first pitch is a ball I will take another pitch. If it runs to 2-0 I will again take a pitch. Same thing again, if it is 3-0 I will take a pitch.
So once I get a strike and its a 3-1 count I set on a fast ball and use the power button with every player. 9 times out of 10 on a 3-0 or 3-1 count the CPU is throwing a FB right down the middle. Set on that FB and crush it! This has led to a huge spike in extra base hits for me.
if I fall behind in any count in which I have 2 strikes I always use the contact swing with every hitter. Once I even the count or get ahead I go back to the regular swing.

On all star, this really is not a great approach. You often get meatballs on 2-0 so you definitely do not want to be taking on that count. At least for me (on AS default), it is easier to distinguish balls and strikes. There's definitely something to avoiding bad pitches (even when in the strike zone), but if you have hard rules about takes, you're going to miss a lot of good opportunities. You also sometimes want to be aggressive on the first pitch. Especially after a big hit, the CPU will sometimes groove a pitch.

[knich]

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I see it plenty with the OP as well man.

Tweaks for different styles and skill levels but the bottom line is SDS created a truly extraordinary baseball game this year.

This will be Sports Game Of The Year when the dust settles.

Easily I may add.


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I agree. I had to do the minor tweaks because was seeing too many meatballs early in count and I lack discipline even when I am waiting for certain pitch in certain location. If it comes down the middle, it looks too good to take.

[JayD]

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Armor,

I want to balance the user and cpu sliders. Would you suggest going with contact at 6 or 5? Would you suggest starter stamina at 6 or 7 or even 5? Thanks in advance.

[Armor and Sword]

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So in the last two days I have really changed my hitting style.
I watched Armor play a game on twitch and noticed how he took so many pitches and took his advice on his hitting approach and I will be damn but it works.

I have scored 9. 5, 7, 4, 8, 3, and 1 runs in my last 6 games over the last few days.
I have raised my team BA from .228 to .240 over that span alone. I had a game in which I hit 6 doubles, I had never done that on this years version. I am really loving this game now!

So what I do is take until I get a strike almost every at bat. If the first pitch is a ball I will take another pitch. If it runs to 2-0 I will again take a pitch. Same thing again, if it is 3-0 I will take a pitch.
So once I get a strike and its a 3-1 count I set on a fast ball and use the power button with every player. 9 times out of 10 on a 3-0 or 3-1 count the CPU is throwing a FB right down the middle. Set on that FB and crush it! This has led to a huge spike in extra base hits for me.
if I fall behind in any count in which I have 2 strikes I always use the contact swing with every hitter. Once I even the count or get ahead I go back to the regular swing.

Also pay attention to the CPU pitcher confidence meter, it is extremely important.
If the CPU confidence meter is way down and he is struggling I abandon taking a lot of pitches especially with my power or good hitters. When their meter is way down and they are struggling they tend to try to get ahead with fastballs down the middle on the first couple of pitches. Again set on the FB and crush it.

These few easy steps have led to me getting 10-13 hits a game and 4-6 extra base hits instead of 4-5 hits and 1 or 2 extra base hits.
I played the first 40 games of my Reds swinging at almost every pitch. I was swinging at way too many bad pitches. I know for me playing video games usually means jumping in and button smashing. In this game you must be patient or you will struggle to hit.

Now pitching.... lol

That's awesome to hear Jake. Does that feel liberating or what? It is so essential to be patient, know your hitters, know the pitcher you are facing, pick up patterns, I actually don't watch his confidence meter, I use my instincts, but I suggest do what has you grooving the ball!!!

And trust me, you will go through slumps, go through some periods of free swinging (that's what we call pressing during a slump) and even getting locked up on fastballs down the pipe. The variety and ebb and flow of a 162 season is something to truly experience.

I realize playing every pitch of every inning can be a grind....but with MLBTS17 it is not. It is a true journey through a baseball season. And with Y2Y saves there is no reason not to play almost every game so you can really experience the true roller coaster of emotions you can go through playing baseball at the professional level on a console.

It is incredible. I can't help myself. I have to play every game. I just finished an awesome 3 game series with the Cubs.

Starlin Castro returned to Chicago....boo's were raining down in game two as he stepped to the plate to face Pedro Strop, 2 outs.....bases jammed with 3 ducks on the pond. Strop brushes him back on the first pitch with a scorching 94 MPH fast ball under his chin. Castro smiles as he soaks in the boo's raining down from Wrigley. Strop set's and deals a slider that bends and causes Castro to leap towards the left batters box.

1-1

Another country fastball, fouled back then another slider down and away for a ball...

2-2

The Yankees lead this game 2-1, we are in the top of the 8th inning, Strop is looking to lock this down to allow his Cubbies to get up and get going and steal another win. The previous night in game one the Cubs won on a bases loaded walk to Anthony Rizzo by Ardolis Chapman. Another former (rented) Cub who went back to the Pinstripes and was welcomed back with the same fever pitch of boo's.

Strop comes set.....2-2 pitch....a scorching fastball down.....and Castro hits an absolute, no doubt GRAND SLAM.

Starlin Castro rounds the bases as Wrigley Field stands in utter shock. A quiet hush overcomes the Chicago faithful and the Yankees go on to take this game 6-1.

Starlin Castro goes 2-4 with a grand slam and all 6 RBI's for his Yankees against his former team.

What a story, what a game, what a series.

This folks is MLB The Show 17.

This is what I am experiencing night in night out. God I love this game.

[Armor and Sword]

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I know I've asked you before but do you move your analog stick while the pitch is on its way to the plate?


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I have my left stick set where I want before he throws the pitch and hold it there through the swing. It also makes me look for a certain pitch. If I have my stick pressed to the 3 o'clock position with a righty I want a pith middle or middle away. With a lefty Middle or middle in. Otherwise I do not swing...even if it will be a strike on the opposite zone I am looking for. Because then I will most likely hit it weakly or pop out or hit a weak grounder.

If you do not hold the stick before the pitch comes you are not going to be able to influence the hit and it will be just straight timing. You can not press it after pitch release. It must be set before his throws it.

[MDgolf]

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I can't hit worth **** anymore but I'm loving it!! Pitching definitely over powers hitting


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[Armor and Sword]

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On all star, this really is not a great approach. You often get meatballs on 2-0 so you definitely do not want to be taking on that count. At least for me (on AS default), it is easier to distinguish balls and strikes. There's definitely something to avoiding bad pitches (even when in the strike zone), but if you have hard rules about takes, you're going to miss a lot of good opportunities. You also sometimes want to be aggressive on the first pitch. Especially after a big hit, the CPU will sometimes groove a pitch.

Speaking for myself......If I have a 2-0 count with my leadoff hitter or my hitter leading off an inning. I work that count to get on base.

I can tell you I have drawn plenty of 3-0 3-1 counts taking on 2-0. But if it is not my leadoff hitter or lead off of an inning or a batter facing a new pitcher first....dead red...one pitch one spot and I crush it.

But even sometimes...dead red middle in I can sometimes fly out or ground out. And of course smoke a pitch right at someone LOL. "At them bombs" I call them.

[jake44np]

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On all star, this really is not a great approach. You often get meatballs on 2-0 so you definitely do not want to be taking on that count. At least for me (on AS default), it is easier to distinguish balls and strikes. There's definitely something to avoiding bad pitches (even when in the strike zone), but if you have hard rules about takes, you're going to miss a lot of good opportunities. You also sometimes want to be aggressive on the first pitch. Especially after a big hit, the CPU will sometimes groove a pitch.

Well your point is kind of moot as we are not playing default AS. And again I was only letting everyone know what was working for me, nothing more or nothing less.
And the #'s don't I went from a .228 team batting average to a .270 over the last 6 games. I went from not hardly ever getting any extra base hits to getting a ton.
And again read the whole post, I don't always stick to these rules so they are not hard rules.

[Gagnon39]

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I have my left stick set where I want before he throws the pitch and hold it there through the swing. It also makes me look for a certain pitch. If I have my stick pressed to the 3 o'clock position with a righty I want a pith middle or middle away. With a lefty Middle or middle in. Otherwise I do not swing...even if it will be a strike on the opposite zone I am looking for. Because then I will most likely hit it weakly or pop out or hit a weak grounder.



If you do not hold the stick before the pitch comes you are not going to be able to influence the hit and it will be just straight timing. You can not press it after pitch release. It must be set before his throws it.

That last part is not true. Russell Ramone's even said that. You can move and change your swing influence up until the point of contact.


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