Coaching Legacy of James Frizzell (CH 2K8)

[superjames1992]

Re: Coaching Legacy of James Frizzell (CH 2K8)

A nail-biter, but all undefeated seasons have some games you just gotta scrape by in. Got the dub, gotta put it behind you now and have a better defensive performance next time out.

Yep, agreed, though we've been having closer games recently, so it is probably a matter of time before one of these doesn't go our way. At least we shot well despite having a terrible effort defensively.

I just had a pretty epic game against Marquette in my Boise State legacy too. They like to score points, but then again so do you. 16 3's... Way to shoot the rock.

Cool! I will have to catch up; I am a bit behind at the moment!

How do you do all the top 25 graphics and box scores

There is a sticky thread in the Dynasty HQ section of the forums here that have all those tables as well as tables for NBA,MLB,NCAA and NFL football.

Deuce is correct. I use OS' graphics, and the forms can be found here:

https://dynasties.operationsports.com/index.php

Nothing too complicated. Very useful tool as I do not know much HTML!

Man, Marquette was always a thorn in my side when I was at St. John’s. Thought they were going to land the upset as I read through. Way to fight through it and stay undefeated. Crazy to see the scores of your games. Interested to give your sliders a shot this week and see how they play out.


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Yeah, I play a pretty fast tempo, so the scores can get pretty high. You could probably get a little more "normal" scores with 16-18 minute half lengths, but I am a sucker for realistic minutes per game numbers (among other stats). And our scores aren't out of line with some of the fast-paced teams we've seen over the years (90s UNLV for example, or even last year's UCLA Bruins).

I also figure that since I typically have the most talented team in any given game, if I can maximize possessions, I can probably maximize my team's chances at winning, since you'll get a more "even" dice roll over more possessions compared to less, on average, if that makes sense. Of course, that won't be the case if they're bad shots, but if I have an open shot early in the shot clock, I am going to take it, and I generally do not waste a lot of time before getting into my plays unless I am protecting a lead.

[superjames1992]

vs.
Providence (13-7) vs. #1 West Virginia (22-0)
WVU Coliseum
Morgantown, WV
February 4th, 2034

Nik Buscher totaled 21 points, 20 rebounds, and three blocks to lead top-ranked West Virginia to their 22nd win of the season in 22 tries. Tonight, the Mountaineers pulled away in the second half to defeat Providence 71-59, completing the season sweep of the Friars after defeating them 96-63 a month ago in Rhode Island.

Buscher's 20-20 game is the first such game in West Virginia head coach James Frizzell's coaching tenure. "Nik is sure something," beamed Frizzell about his freshman center. "He's been great all year, but he gave us a huge lift tonight when we needed it. His presence inside was spectacular and the offense he gave us was key given our struggles shooting elsewhere."

Myron DeLeon added 11 points and four rebounds and Skip Bradford tallied 10 points, six rebounds, and five steals for West Virginia. Charles Rickert also had a great game from off the bench with 13 points in just 18 minutes.

West Virginia shot just 33% (26/78) from the field tonight, including 24% (9/37) from three-point range. Tonight's 71 points is also West Virginia's season-low in points scored.

Josko Dawn scored 15 points to lead Providence in scoring and Connally Parada added 14 points and six boards.

Next, West Virginia will face Georgetown in Washington, D.C. next Wednesday.

Providence Friars at West Virginia Mountaineers
Feb 4, 2034	1ST	2ND	SCORE
Providence (13-7, 5-6)	24	35	59
#1 West Virginia (22-0, 10-0)	32	39	71

Providence Friars
STARTERS	MIN	FGM-A	3PM-A	FTM-A	REB	AST	STL	BLK	TO	PTS
S. Fitch	30	2-2	0-0	0-0	2	7	0	0	8	4
J. Dawn	29	5-10	1-1	4-4	1	2	2	0	1	15
L. Butler	29	2-8	0-1	0-0	3	0	1	1	0	4
C. Parada	26	6-14	0-2	2-2	6	3	0	0	0	14
Y. Olsen	30	2-6	0-0	1-2	11	0	3	2	3	5
BENCH	MIN	FGM-A	3PM-A	FTM-A	REB	AST	STL	BLK	TO	PTS
S. Ingram	17	1-4	0-0	0-0	5	0	0	0	3	2
C. Lane	7	0-1	0-0	0-0	1	0	0	0	0	0
T. Platt	14	4-8	0-1	1-2	1	0	4	1	2	9
B. Demond	9	1-3	0-0	2-2	1	0	0	0	3	4
D. Lettenberger	10	1-3	0-1	0-0	2	4	2	0	0	2
E. Dumont	-- DID NOT PLAY --
T. Griffin	-- DID NOT PLAY --
TEAM TOTALS		24-59	1-6	10-12	33	16	12	4	20	59

West Virginia Mountaineers
STARTERS	MIN	FGM-A	3PM-A	FTM-A	REB	AST	STL	BLK	TO	PTS
I. Przybyszewski	29	1-7	0-4	0-0	3	5	2	0	2	2
D. Packevicius	17	2-7	2-6	2-2	2	0	3	1	0	8
M. DeLeon	23	4-12	3-10	0-0	4	2	1	0	2	11
S. Bradford	31	3-10	0-1	4-4	6	1	5	2	2	10
N. Buscher	31	10-19	0-0	1-2	20	1	1	3	4	21
BENCH	MIN	FGM-A	3PM-A	FTM-A	REB	AST	STL	BLK	TO	PTS
E. Pocius	11	0-3	0-2	0-0	1	0	0	0	1	0
S. Edwards	17	1-6	1-4	0-0	2	0	0	1	1	3
F. Delgado	10	1-6	1-5	0-0	2	1	1	0	0	3
P. Havens	1	0-0	0-0	0-0	0	0	1	0	0	0
C. Rickert	18	4-6	2-3	3-3	2	1	0	2	0	13
B. Clement	12	0-2	0-2	0-0	0	1	3	0	0	0
T. Blackshear	-- DID NOT PLAY --
TEAM TOTALS		26-78	9-37	10-11	42	12	17	9	12	71

[superjames1992]

AROUND THE NCAA - FEBRUARY 6TH, 2034

NCAA Hoops Rankings - AP Top 25 - Updated: Feb 6, 2034
RK	LW	TEAM (VOTES)	RECORD
1	1	West Virginia	22-0
2	2	Texas	22-0
3	3	Virginia Tech	21-3
4	4	Florida State	17-3
5	5	Duquesne	19-3
6	12	Ohio State	20-4
7	7	NC State	17-5
8	14	USC	18-5
9	9	Oregon	19-5
10	8	Tennessee	19-5
11	16	Iona	19-4
12	11	Virginia	17-7
13	6	Connecticut	18-6
14	15	Arizona State	16-6
15	13	Boston College	18-8
16	25	California	18-6
17	--	Wake Forest	15-6
18	--	Louisville	18-6
19	20	Iowa	16-5
20	24	Kansas State	14-4
21	18	Texas A&M	18-6
22	17	Brigham Young	16-6
23	21	Cincinnati	16-7
24	19	Georgia Tech	16-6
25	--	North Carolina	14-7

Big East Conference Standings - Updated: Feb 6, 2034
TEAM	REC	PCT	CONF	GB	STRK
#1 West Virginia	22-0	1.00	10-0	--	W10
Louisville	18-6	.750	9-2	1.5	W3
#13 Connecticut	18-6	.750	7-4	3.5	L3
Cincinnati	16-7	.696	7-4	3.5	L1
Syracuse	13-10	.565	7-4	3.5	L1
St. John's	15-7	.682	6-4	4.0	L1
Seton Hall	11-10	.524	6-6	5.0	W1
Providence	13-7	.650	5-6	5.5	L3
Pittsburgh	16-9	.640	5-6	5.5	W2
DePaul	11-12	.478	5-6	5.5	W2
Marquette	10-11	.476	5-6	5.5	W1
Notre Dame	12-10	.545	4-7	6.5	L3
Rutgers	11-13	.458	4-7	6.5	W2
Georgetown	10-14	.417	2-8	8.0	L2
South Florida	8-14	.364	2-8	8.0	W1
Villanova	6-13	.316	2-8	8.0	L2

[superjames1992]

vs.
#1 West Virginia (22-1) vs. Georgetown (11-14)
Verizon Center
Washington, D.C.
February 8th, 2034

The dream is dead. No. 1 West Virginia (22-1, 10-1) saw its undefeated run end at game No. 23 this evening as the Georgetown Hoyas (11-14, 3-8) pulled off a stunning 83-76 upset at the Verizon Center in Washington, D.C. for only their third Big East Conference win of the year.

The Hoyas came into this season with a lot of talent, but they have struggled to put it all together. That is, until tonight and specifically in the second half, where the Hoyas overcame a 40-24 halftime deficit to outscore the Mountaineers 59-36 to win 83-76.

Georgetown shot 54% (28/52) from the floor and made 31 trips to the foul line, where they made 20 of their attempts (65%). West Virginia shot a serviceable 48% (31/64) themselves, but made just 6/26 (23%) from three-point range and shot just 8/12 (67%) from the free throw line.

Despite struggling in recent years, the Hoyas have always punched above their weight when it came to facing West Virginia. They haven't beaten Frizzell-coached teams many times, but they have put up some good fights. Williard Holmes, in his second year coaching the Hoyas, has taken over John Thompson III's philosophy of coaching great big men, and their size has always neutralized one of West Virginia's typical advantages over other teams.

That was true tonight as junior 7'2", 300-lb. center Nik Wong powered his way to 19 points and 11 rebounds on 8/13 shooting. West Virginia's own 7'2" center, Nik Buscher, also played well with 20 points, 11 rebounds, and three blocks as both players put together fantastic performances against one another.

Garrett Causey scored 19 points for the Hoyas and Gregg Crawford just missed out on a double-double with 13 points and nine rebounds. Austin Willis added 10 points and seven assists.

Dedrick Packevicius scored 18 points for West Virginia and Myron DeLeon added 12 points, six rebounds, and four steals.

"You win some and you lose some. Tonight we lost," said West Virginia head coach James Frizzell after his team's first loss of the season. "Our perfect season is over, but we still have titles to contend for. Give [Georgetown] credit. They came out of halftime on fire and were hitting everything. We didn't play well, but at the same time that was a phenomenal comeback."

The Hoyas cut the WVU lead throughout the second half and finally pulled ahead with a three-pointer with five minutes remaining to take a 66-63 lead.

"At that point, it started to seem somewhat inevitable," said Frizzell. "They had had the momentum for the entire second half, but once they took their first lead of the game it started to look really dire. They were hitting everything and we had gone cold. We picked up our game from there and really tightened up down the stretch, but it was too little, too late by that point."

The Mountaineers, who at stretches this season had seemed unbeatable, have not looked so unbeatable in the last three games, which included tonight's road loss to sub-.500 Georgetown and an overtime victory at sub-.500 Marquette. Even this week's victory at home against Providence was a little shaky considering how well West Virginia had played this season up until lately.

"It's hard to win on the road, especially in conference action," said Frizzell. "We learned that against Marquette, and we learned that the hard way tonight. Teams are starting to catch on to what we do and we'll have to adjust. We'll be fine."

West Virginia will have three days off to recover before hitting the road for another road game at Seton Hall on Sunday.

West Virginia Mountaineers at Georgetown Hoyas
Feb 8, 2034	1ST	2ND	SCORE
#1 West Virginia (22-1, 10-1)	40	36	76
Georgetown (11-14, 3-8)	24	59	83

West Virginia Mountaineers
STARTERS	MIN	FGM-A	3PM-A	FTM-A	REB	AST	STL	BLK	TO	PTS
I. Przybyszewski	31	3-7	0-4	0-0	1	7	0	0	0	6
D. Packevicius	27	6-11	3-6	3-4	2	1	2	0	0	18
M. DeLeon	23	4-11	1-5	3-3	6	0	4	0	1	12
S. Bradford	31	3-7	0-2	1-2	3	2	0	2	1	7
N. Buscher	29	10-14	0-0	0-1	11	2	1	3	2	20
BENCH	MIN	FGM-A	3PM-A	FTM-A	REB	AST	STL	BLK	TO	PTS
E. Pocius	10	3-4	2-3	1-2	0	1	1	0	2	9
S. Edwards	19	0-3	0-3	0-0	4	2	0	0	0	0
F. Delgado	8	0-1	0-1	0-0	1	0	1	0	0	0
P. Havens	1	0-0	0-0	0-0	0	1	0	0	0	0
C. Rickert	9	1-4	0-2	0-0	3	0	0	0	3	2
B. Clement	12	1-2	0-0	0-0	0	1	1	0	0	2
T. Blackshear	-- DID NOT PLAY --
TEAM TOTALS		31-64	6-26	8-12	31	17	10	5	9	76

Georgetown Hoyas
STARTERS	MIN	FGM-A	3PM-A	FTM-A	REB	AST	STL	BLK	TO	PTS
A. Willis	32	4-8	0-1	2-4	0	7	2	0	3	10
L. Delfico	35	1-5	1-2	4-6	6	3	1	0	0	7
G. Causey	29	6-8	4-4	3-6	0	2	1	0	2	19
C. Crawford	35	5-12	2-3	1-2	9	2	2	0	2	13
N. Wong	30	8-13	0-0	3-4	11	2	1	0	1	19
BENCH	MIN	FGM-A	3PM-A	FTM-A	REB	AST	STL	BLK	TO	PTS
D. Stevenson	14	0-1	0-0	2-2	4	0	1	0	2	2
I. Lalugba	2	2-2	0-0	0-0	0	0	0	0	0	4
J. Pulley	12	1-2	0-1	3-4	0	2	1	0	0	5
G. Love	11	1-1	0-0	2-4	1	0	0	0	1	4
J. Clemmons	-- DID NOT PLAY --
H. Goodrich	-- DID NOT PLAY --
J. Root	-- DID NOT PLAY --
TEAM TOTALS		28-52	7-11	20-31	31	18	9	0	11	83

[superjames1992]

Re: Coaching Legacy of James Frizzell (CH 2K8)

I'm usually pretty mellow when playing this game. I've lost NCAA Tournament games on buzzer beaters and moved on without getting worked up about it, but a controller was thrown following this Georgetown game. That was unbelievably frustrating. The undefeated season ending is fine, but to lose to a sub-.500 team is pretty unbearable.

Georgetown is a deceptively good team, though. They are in the top-half of the Big East by OVR rating, so in reality they're not as much of a pushover as their record would suggest. They haven't played well in their simmed games this year, but I don't think that has any effect on their OVR rating when you actually play them. Additionally, they have as much, if not more, size as I do, which is rare, and makes them tough to play, especially when my outside shots aren't falling.

Defensively, I am not sure what was going on there in the second half. It wasn't good, regardless.

Oh, well, time to move on. We should still win the conference relatively easily unless we fall into a tailspin.

[LopaKa]

Re: Coaching Legacy of James Frizzell (CH 2K8)

welp, at least you got that out of the way haha. Hopefully you didn't break any controller lol

[superjames1992]

Re: Coaching Legacy of James Frizzell (CH 2K8)

welp, at least you got that out of the way haha. Hopefully you didn't break any controller lol

Nah, no controllers broken, haha. Never done that before; I am not really one to throw them, but that game was an exception, LOL.

[Deuce2223]

Re: Coaching Legacy of James Frizzell (CH 2K8)

Loss's against teams you feel you should've beat hurt, but it's those buzzer beaters especially ones in Overtime that have left me walking away and taking a couple day break from the game back in the day. But I feel like I have matured a little bit these past few years, but my last game I just played (BSU vs UW) tested it. I scored 60 points in the first half and had a huge lead, as they couldn't hit a shot, then in the 2nd half it was the complete opposite. I couldn't hit a 3pt to save me life and they couldn't miss until the one the counted most. A game typing 3pt at the buzzer.

[R1zzo23]

Re: Coaching Legacy of James Frizzell (CH 2K8)

There are always those games where the computer gets hot and there's nothing you can do to stop it. Hate to see the undefeated season go down like that but with that out of the way, time to focus on getting back on track for the Big East tournament and a likely 1-seed in the NCAA tournament.

I've never broken a controller either - come to think about it, I may not have ever thrown one - but I can imagine how frustrating a game like that has to be.

[superjames1992]

Re: Coaching Legacy of James Frizzell (CH 2K8)

Loss's against teams you feel you should've beat hurt, but it's those buzzer beaters especially ones in Overtime that have left me walking away and taking a couple day break from the game back in the day. But I feel like I have matured a little bit these past few years, but my last game I just played (BSU vs UW) tested it. I scored 60 points in the first half and had a huge lead, as they couldn't hit a shot, then in the 2nd half it was the complete opposite. I couldn't hit a 3pt to save me life and they couldn't miss until the one the counted most. A game typing 3pt at the buzzer.

Haha, yeah, I am too cheap to be throwing controllers. Don't want to pay for another! But, damn, that game was frustrating! Big-time upsets are always tough to take.

There are always those games where the computer gets hot and there's nothing you can do to stop it. Hate to see the undefeated season go down like that but with that out of the way, time to focus on getting back on track for the Big East tournament and a likely 1-seed in the NCAA tournament.

I've never broken a controller either - come to think about it, I may not have ever thrown one - but I can imagine how frustrating a game like that has to be.

Yep, and I really seem to see this on MOP difficulty more, as well, from what I remember when I switched. Sometimes, the CPU goes on streaks where they simply do not miss and I cannot buy a bucket.

[superjames1992]

vs.
#1 West Virginia (23-1) vs. Seton Hall (12-11)
Prudential Center
Newark, NJ
February 12th, 2034

No. 1 West Virginia (23-1, 11-1) bounced back from their first loss of the season earlier this week at Georgetown with a 77-71 victory over Seton Hall (12-11, 7-7) this evening in Newark, NJ.

Nik Buscher tallied 20 points, 11 rebounds, and four blocks to lead West Virginia in all three categories. Myron DeLeon added a double-double with 17 points and 10 rebounds and Dedrick Packevicius scored 11 points. Shannon Edwards totaled 10 points, six rebounds, and three blocks from off the bench.

Seton Hall grabbed an early lead this evening, but the Mountaineers pulled ahead late in the first half to seize a 37-29 lead at the break. The Pirates were undeterred, however, and battled back to lead by as many as four points down the stretch before Buscher and DeLeon hit some big shots in the waning minutes to put the Mountaineers back on top at the final buzzer.

Seton Hall missed a three-pointer that would have tied it at 74 apiece with under 30 seconds remaining and the Mountaineers sank their free throws to close out the game.

"A win's a win, but we clearly have some things we need to work on," remarked West Virginia head coach James Frizzell. "We simply aren't playing as well lately as we had earlier in the season. At the same time, it's tough to win on the road in this conference, so we'll take the W and move on."

7'0" senior center Alfonso Meyers led Seton Hall in scoring and rebounding with 23 points and eight rebounds. Fezzik Watson added 14 points in just 15 minutes from off the bench, going 3/3 from beyond the three-point arc, and J.R. Fields added 13 points.

West Virginia will return to Morgantown next week for two games against sub-.500 opponents in South Florida and Rutgers.

West Virginia Mountaineers at Seton Hall Pirates
Feb 12, 2034	1ST	2ND	SCORE
#1 West Virginia (23-1, 11-1)	37	40	77
Seton Hall (12-11, 7-7)	29	42	71

West Virginia Mountaineers
STARTERS	MIN	FGM-A	3PM-A	FTM-A	REB	AST	STL	BLK	TO	PTS
I. Przybyszewski	27	1-7	1-7	1-2	3	4	0	0	1	4
D. Packevicius	25	4-6	3-4	0-0	0	2	1	0	0	11
M. DeLeon	28	7-16	3-10	0-0	10	1	1	0	1	17
S. Bradford	29	1-7	1-2	2-2	6	1	0	0	3	5
N. Buscher	30	6-15	0-0	8-10	11	1	1	4	1	20
BENCH	MIN	FGM-A	3PM-A	FTM-A	REB	AST	STL	BLK	TO	PTS
E. Pocius	13	2-4	1-3	0-0	2	2	0	0	2	5
S. Edwards	21	5-7	0-0	0-1	6	2	2	3	0	10
F. Delgado	10	1-3	0-1	0-0	1	1	0	0	0	2
C. Rickert	2	0-0	0-0	0-0	0	0	0	0	0	0
T. Blackshear	3	1-2	1-2	0-0	0	0	0	0	0	3
B. Clement	12	0-0	0-0	0-0	0	0	0	0	0	0
P. Havens	-- DID NOT PLAY --
TEAM TOTALS		28-67	10-29	11-15	39	14	5	7	8	77

Seton Hall Pirates
STARTERS	MIN	FGM-A	3PM-A	FTM-A	REB	AST	STL	BLK	TO	PTS
J. Lett	33	1-5	0-2	0-0	1	8	2	0	1	2
A. Joiner	30	1-3	0-1	2-2	1	2	0	1	0	4
J. Fields	17	6-9	0-0	1-2	0	1	1	0	1	13
C. Hoffman	29	2-6	0-1	0-0	7	0	3	1	0	4
A. Meyers	30	10-19	0-0	3-5	8	1	0	1	1	23
BENCH	MIN	FGM-A	3PM-A	FTM-A	REB	AST	STL	BLK	TO	PTS
F. Watson	15	4-8	3-3	3-3	2	3	1	0	0	14
P. Werch	13	2-5	0-0	0-0	3	0	1	0	0	4
S. ARline	11	2-2	0-0	1-2	2	0	0	0	0	5
H. Radziejewski	10	0-0	0-0	2-2	1	0	0	0	0	2
K. Todd	4	0-1	0-0	0-0	1	1	0	0	1	0
J. Takahashi	8	0-0	0-0	0-0	0	1	0	0	1	0
M. Ferguson	-- DID NOT PLAY --
TEAM TOTALS		28-58	3-7	12-16	26	17	8	3	5	71

[superjames1992]

AROUND THE NCAA - FEBRUARY 13TH, 2034

NCAA Hoops Rankings - AP Top 25 - Updated: Feb 13, 2034
RK	LW	TEAM (VOTES)	RECORD
1	2	Texas	24-0
2	1	West Virginia	23-1
3	3	Virginia Tech	22-3
4	5	Duquesne	21-3
5	4	Florida State	17-5
6	6	Ohio State	21-5
7	12	Virginia	19-7
8	13	Connecticut	20-6
9	9	Oregon	20-6
10	8	USC	19-6
11	19	Iowa	18-5
12	7	NC State	17-7
13	17	Wake Forest	17-6
14	10	Tennessee	20-6
15	18	Louisville	20-6
16	14	Arizona State	17-7
17	--	Clemson	16-8
18	16	California	19-7
19	22	Brigham Young	17-6
20	--	Stanford	19-7
21	24	Georgia Tech	17-7
22	15	Boston College	18-9
23	11	Iona	19-5
24	21	Texas A&M	19-7
25	20	Kansas State	15-5

Big East Conference Standings - Updated: Feb 13, 2034
TEAM	REC	PCT	CONF	GB	STRK
#2 West Virginia	23-1	.958	11-1	--	W1
#15 Louisville	20-6	.769	11-2	0.5	W5
#8 Connecticut	20-6	.769	9-4	2.5	W2
Cincinnati	17-8	.680	8-5	3.5	L1
Syracuse	13-11	.542	7-5	4.0	L2
Marquette	12-11	.522	7-6	4.5	W3
St. John's	15-9	.625	6-6	5.0	L3
Seton Hall	12-11	.522	7-7	5.0	L1
Providence	14-8	.636	6-7	5.5	W1
Pittsburgh	17-10	.630	6-7	5.5	W1
DePaul	12-13	.480	6-7	5.5	W1
Notre Dame	13-10	.565	5-7	6.0	W1
Rutgers	12-14	.462	5-8	6.5	L1
Georgetown	11-15	.423	3-9	8.0	L1
South Florida	8-16	.333	2-10	9.0	L2
Villanova	6-15	.286	2-10	9.0	L4

[hardcor2]

Re: Coaching Legacy of James Frizzell (CH 2K8)

Dang Texas is still rolling right along! Sorry to see your perfect season get stopped but hopefully it can be a 1 loss season instead!

[R1zzo23]

Re: Coaching Legacy of James Frizzell (CH 2K8)

As a huge Texas fan I love to see them having an amazing season. I would hate to see you and them in the title game because I wouldn't know who to pull for. Hopefully it doesn't come down to that!

[superjames1992]

Re: Coaching Legacy of James Frizzell (CH 2K8)

Dang Texas is still rolling right along! Sorry to see your perfect season get stopped but hopefully it can be a 1 loss season instead!

As a huge Texas fan I love to see them having an amazing season. I would hate to see you and them in the title game because I wouldn't know who to pull for. Hopefully it doesn't come down to that!

Texas is really good. I was hoping we could meet up undefeated in the title game as that would've been epic. But we dropped our end of the bargain. I'm not sure they're going to lose the rest of the way, though.