The OS Golfer's Thread!

[Matt10]

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This video + slowing transition down = my swing is back!!

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[SinisterAlex]

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This video + slowing transition down = my swing is back!!

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Rotary Swing Tour also teaches and shows this. Good video to show!

[donkey33]

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If you are bombing the driver the 6 iron isn't the club you need to be testing. I'd look to you scoring clubs. 9 iron - wedge to determine where to go.

Yeah, the guy that fitted me was going on about the scoring clubs. Gave me the 6's though with different shafts. I think that's what I'm meant to get from this but if I'm not noticing a lot of difference, I might need to get different shafts again.

[mike24forever]

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I bought that exact same rangefinder during Boxing Day. I absolutely love the thing. Nice looking clubs too! Are those the RSi 1's?

The rangefinder is really nice. Takes away the guessing game. They are the RSi 1's.

[Matt10]

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Rotary Swing Tour also teaches and shows this. Good video to show!

Chuck Quinton rotary swing? I need to go back to that I think.

[SinisterAlex]

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Chuck Quinton rotary swing? I need to go back to that I think.

Yes Chuck Quinton. I really enjoy the videos. A lot of good information on that website.

[Matt10]

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Yes Chuck Quinton. I really enjoy the videos. A lot of good information on that website.

Awesome yeah I was a member there back in 2006, enjoy what they are doing with the site, especially swing review with membership. I joined up again, looking forward to jumping back into it.

[pietasterp]

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Got out this weekend for the first time in a while...ball striking was pretty good on the whole, which was a nice surprise. The putting was just total crap, but can't have everything working at the same time

Still, I'm getting closer. Getting my hands to the ball sooner and limiting my hip turn has kept me from spinning out and blocking it, but I still feel like I'm fixing symptoms rather than the actual problem. Probably gonna take at least through the summer to get down to the real issue, but that's the "fun" of it, I guess(!)

[fistofrage]

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Came back from a week vacation and my yard was a hay field so I had to get that thing mowed before the wife would let me out for my Sunday skins game. Mowed about a half acre in 80% humidity and 83 degree weather with a push mower and then hit the course. I was dragging by the 4th hole but just concentrated on keeping my head down and following through to 1 o'clock. Made my first birdie on 7 a par 5 with a shot out of the sand and a 20 foot putt. Put in another birdie on 15 a 170 yard par 3 into the wind with another 20 foot putt and then knocked an 8 iron to 3 feet on a 420 yard par 4. Finished with an 83, but more importantly 2 skins for $160 take home. I should have been in the 70's but my chipping was brutal on a few holes, just lost concentration or fatigue.

It's crazy but living in Michigan, I read so many articles and watched so many videos that it really screwed my game up searching for the extra distance with lag. I've gone back to just trying to take my club back to 75% which honestly takes it close to parallel and just ripping through the ball and keeping my head down and I'm hitting the driver farther than I ever have. It's been windy on most days, but I've hit some booming drives over 300 this spring and my approach shots have been accurate. For now I'm just going with the see ball hit ball philosophy and not trying to over analyze things anymore.

Picked up a used Ping G25 driver Stiff shaft 9.5 degree for $100 in March and its already paid for itself and then some.

[pietasterp]

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It's crazy but living in Michigan, I read so many articles and watched so many videos that it really screwed my game up searching for the extra distance with lag. I've gone back to just trying to take my club back to 75% which honestly takes it close to parallel and just ripping through the ball and keeping my head down and I'm hitting the driver farther than I ever have. It's been windy on most days, but I've hit some booming drives over 300 this spring and my approach shots have been accurate. For now I'm just going with the see ball hit ball philosophy and not trying to over analyze things anymore.

Yeah, it can be frustrating with the long winters in Michigan. And re: the lag swing....to me, that's just a recipe for disaster. I feel like if you had an infinite amount of time and a personal coach to work with you and make sure you get everything right, a more pro-style laggy swing could be achieved. But just about every video or article or 'golf tip' I've ever seen/read is pretty much useless, because everyone has such a unique body type, flexibility, muscle distribution, swing flaw, etc., and at the end of the day, unless someone could inhabit your body and directly show you how it's supposed to feel, there's no way to describe it in words such that anyone could ever pick it up.

I tried to go with a more laggy/whippy swing for a while, and while it did produce some majestic shots when it was working, it was way too inconsistent and led to some really horrible misses (like, launching it deep into a neighborhood of houses horrible...). I'm sure if I could go hit the range every day for like 2 years I could figure it out, but who has the time? At some point, trading occasional awesome shots for consistently okay/playable shots seemed like a reasonable proposition.

[fistofrage]

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Yeah, it can be frustrating with the long winters in Michigan. And re: the lag swing....to me, that's just a recipe for disaster. I feel like if you had an infinite amount of time and a personal coach to work with you and make sure you get everything right, a more pro-style laggy swing could be achieved. But just about every video or article or 'golf tip' I've ever seen/read is pretty much useless, because everyone has such a unique body type, flexibility, muscle distribution, swing flaw, etc., and at the end of the day, unless someone could inhabit your body and directly show you how it's supposed to feel, there's no way to describe it in words such that anyone could ever pick it up.

I tried to go with a more laggy/whippy swing for a while, and while it did produce some majestic shots when it was working, it was way too inconsistent and led to some really horrible misses (like, launching it deep into a neighborhood of houses horrible...). I'm sure if I could go hit the range every day for like 2 years I could figure it out, but who has the time? At some point, trading occasional awesome shots for consistently okay/playable shots seemed like a reasonable proposition.

Pretty sure 50% of lag is teachable and 50% you are born with. The 50% of teachable is start the swing from the ground up. Turn your hips first and the club automatically drops and you are half way there. The other half, either you were born with it or not. That's the athletic part, the timing. I will say though, going back to what I tell myself is 75% keeps my whole swing in balance better and creates some more lag because I'm not out of control. People who try to swing harder just start the swing with their arms and that kills the lag.

I don't have the lag gene in me. I'm just good enough to be good enough to compete with some scratch golfers. I usually take my lumps but every once in a while I'll get down to 74 or 75 and they will have a bit of an off day and I squeak by them. Every once in a while I'll uncork a 300+ drive and outdrive them, but I really have to be perfect for that to happen and the consistency isn't there yet, but its getting there. If I could get down to a 5 or 6 handicap, I'd be happy.

I do like your story about driving one deep into the neighborhood. It can happen so fast, I used to belong to a course that had a busy road running down the right side of 2 of the holes. It was a poke to get it to the road, but trust me, It was in play.......Good times.

[JODYE]

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There is no lag gene. You also should never focus on building lag because it is not a fundamental part of a successful golf swing.

Lag is built naturally from proper hip rotation and release. Anything more than that that is forced causes the golfer to over compensate by having to torque the hands and wrists to get through the hitting zone squarely, because the club is no longer being released naturally via the hip turn. This throws off timing and natural hand position that would be created by solid fundamentals.

[Skyboxer]

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I've made a pretty significant advancement in my driver swing.
Background: My driver swing was always hit or miss. Dead straight or a 20 yard push to right..or a duck hook left.
Was really frustrating.

So this week I did a great video session and really the issue came forward pretty fast.
In a nut shell my hands were always waaaaay ahead of club head at impact.. every time.

I simply wasn't getting in a position to get club square constantly as I had pretty much no release of the club.
Sometime with a faster hip turn I was (straight) .. sometimes to much along with overcompensating for the push and getting handsy..(Hook)then of course just a flat out open face with inside out swing.. push.
This has been my achilles heal for a few years.

So I check out drills on getting a proper release and what it would feel like...and what a difference.
Will say at first during the drill I really felt like I'd be pulling/hooking everything left and by a lot. Just didn't have the trust I guess.
That wasn't the case.

During last range session my drives were much better flight wise and the dispurgence was 10-15 yards L/R from center.
I hit 0 balls that would have been in a bad situation on course.
Of course that was at range.

Fast forward to this morning.
Played a 9 hole par 36 course.
1 par 5, 7 par 4's and 1 par 3.

6 of the holes I used driver (Par 3 (9I and 2 par 4's that I used 3W and a Hybrid)
6-6 fairways hit with a long drive of 261.
Finished with a 42 ( Should have been better but struggling a tad with 30-40 yard pitch shots as far as distance control)

Needless to say I am the most excited as I've ever been. Can't wait till this Friday when we play in our charity tourney.

[fistofrage]

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There is no lag gene. You also should never focus on building lag because it is not a fundamental part of a successful golf swing.

Lag is built naturally from proper hip rotation and release. Anything more than that that is forced causes the golfer to over compensate by having to torque the hands and wrists to get through the hitting zone squarely, because the club is no longer being released naturally via the hip turn. This throws off timing and natural hand position that would be created by solid fundamentals.

I agree with it being all fundamentals, but not everyone has the ability to perform a perfect golf swing with lag like Ben Hogan.

[JODYE]

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I agree with it being all fundamentals, but not everyone has the ability to perform a perfect golf swing with lag like Ben Hogan.

Okay, but you aren't Ben Hogan. So naturally you aren't going to swing like him. Do you really think Ben Hogan was worrying about lag when he was swinging the golf club?

You want to hit the ball further? Strengthen your base and your core, increase your flexibility and work on drills to ensure that your hips are firing first through the hitting zone. A powerful swing isn't built in the wrists, it is built from the ground up. If you do these things, the amount of lag that would be natural for your swing type will be built on it's own. There are other small factors like grip and grip pressure that also assist in ensuring that you maximize the amount of club head speed, but those are small tweaks.

When you start messing around with trying to cup your wrists and hold the club at a specific angle to build artificial lag, you start screwing with the natural timing of your golf swing, which again is eventually going to cause your hands to move well past the ball before impact, and is going to force you into having some nasty hand/wrist action to even get the club square through the zone.

There is a reason that Tiger is as inconsistent as he is now and he doesn't have a consistent miss. He either snap hooks one dead left, or doesn't get the club square and sprays one 100 yards to the right, and hell sometimes even almost misses it. This is the result of trying to build a swing based around power/lag and relying to much on your hands/wrists to get the club where it needs to be, instead of letting your body do the work for you.

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Here is just a friendly reminder that you don't need excessive lag to build club head speed and hit the ball far.