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  • Smirkin Dirk
    All Star
    • Oct 2008
    • 5179

    #1021
    Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

    I’ve stopped seeking perfection.

    Got a couple of house rules, but I’m enjoying the hell out of the game.
    2022 'Plug and play' sim roster (XBX)

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    • amioran
      Rookie
      • Oct 2019
      • 71

      #1022
      Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

      Originally posted by MoreThanAGamer
      In My Career that type of help is happening when I call for the pick and roll. I get all types of help defense thrown at me. It's like the game is adjusting to my tendencies. I got locked up by Cole Anthony last night. This is Cole Anthony. Dude has no defensive badges. Granted I was still able to get some good stats but I couldn't shake Cole Anthony like I had been doing other defenders.
      What that has to do with "help defense"? I get the impression that many people here don't even know the meaning of the terms they use, but whatever.

      And the fact that Cole Anthony, one of the worst defenders in the game as far as attributes and badges go, could clamp you is NOT a good thing, and the gameplay is done in this way (to stop or slow you down) just because there's no proper help defense when you pass your coverage. I would like for even a single one of you that pretends there is "help defense" in the game to provide even a single clip of - for example - the AI clamping the paint from the wings/elbows preventing someone to enter when you pass a man on the perimeter (as it happens every single time in the NBA). I will wait.

      Btw, PS4 and PC gameplay is completely different in some aspects (as double teams that gets called every time on a mismatch there) from PS5/Xbox X-S one. While help defense is not very good in old gen either, it is still much better than it is in current gen and many of the defensive settings that don't work in the latter still work in the former (hence you can mitigate the holes in the defense by adjusting them).
      Last edited by amioran; 11-16-2021, 11:23 AM.

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      • strosdood
        MVP
        • Nov 2020
        • 1168

        #1023
        Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

        Originally posted by Smirkin Dirk
        I’ve stopped seeking perfection.

        Got a couple of house rules, but I’m enjoying the hell out of the game.


        There’s literally no such thing as perfection in video games, I started doing this years ago and my gaming life has been so much more relaxing and satisfying lol


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        • MoreThanAGamer
          Rookie
          • Oct 2021
          • 145

          #1024
          Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

          Originally posted by amioran
          What that has to do with "help defense"? I get the impression that many people here don't even know the meaning of the terms they use, but whatever.

          And the fact that Cole Anthony, one of the worst defenders in the game as far as attributes and badges go, could clamp you is NOT a good thing, and the gameplay is done in this way (to stop or slow you down) just because there's no proper help defense when you pass your coverage. I would like for even a single one of you that pretends there is "help defense" in the game to provide even a single clip of - for example - the AI clamping the paint from the wings/elbows preventing someone to enter when you pass a man on the perimeter (as it happens every single time in the NBA). I will wait.

          Btw, PS4 and PC gameplay is completely different in some aspects (as double teams that gets called every time on a mismatch there) from PS5/Xbox X-S one. While help defense is not very good in old gen either, it is still much better than it is in current gen and many of the defensive settings that don't work in the latter still work in the former (hence you can mitigate the holes in the defense by adjusting them).
          The part about Cole Anthony locking me up wasn't meant to be a positive for help defense. I was just mentioning that because of how tough the game made him play me. I agree that it's a 2K bandaid in making a low rated on-ball defender that good.

          The help defense that he mentioned in the video is happening when I run the PR. The defender in the corner who is guarding my teammate in the corner will come off of him as the roller starts to roll and he will pick him up going to the rim. In most cases this is when a non shooter or low rated three point shooter is in the corner.

          The other instance is when the defender who is guarding me around the pick will run me into the defender on the side of the court where I am going to try and cause a bump steal or steal in general. And if there is a non-shooter from my team on that side where I am going, his defender will come off of him to double team me and try to steal, cause a jump ball situation, or force me to pass.

          I get it that the game does some weird things to create difficulty at times but I do see the instances of good help defense.

          And I'm speaking for my experience on Series X. I never said the same thing I'm seeing on Series X in My Career should be happening on all gaming platforms and game modes.

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          • Luke Skywalker
            Pro
            • Dec 2014
            • 917

            #1025
            Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

            People also fail to realize that the stock sliders aren’t exactly meant for simulation. If you remember in years past we had options: Default, Simulation, and Casual. These sliders are basically Default with different difficulties.

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            • AIRJ23
              MVP
              • Apr 2021
              • 2804

              #1026
              Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

              What jumpshot defensive strength sliders are you guys running? I’m at 25 and it still kinda feels overpowered in that it’s not easy to hit contested shots, but it’s possible which is a win. Fairly realistic ratio but still sometimes too hard to make some with hands in your face. Tried it at 20 and it almost seemed too easy to hit shots (which was fun but I was winning more easily), or maybe I’m just too used to how hard 2K makes it on default.

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              • Luke Skywalker
                Pro
                • Dec 2014
                • 917

                #1027
                Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                Originally posted by AIRJ23
                What jumpshot defensive strength sliders are you guys running? I’m at 25 and it still kinda feels overpowered in that it’s not easy to hit contested shots, but it’s possible which is a win. Fairly realistic ratio but still sometimes too hard to make some with hands in your face. Tried it at 20 and it almost seemed too easy to hit shots (which was fun but I was winning more easily), or maybe I’m just too used to how hard 2K makes it on default.
                Jumpshot Gather 60
                Jumpshot Release 30

                Players who have deadeye will make contested shots. You don’t want someone like Joe Harris making jumpers like KD. 30 is the sweet spot.

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                • jrose57
                  MVP
                  • Dec 2007
                  • 3513

                  #1028
                  Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                  Originally posted by strosdood
                  There’s literally no such thing as perfection in video games, I started doing this years ago and my gaming life has been so much more relaxing and satisfying lol


                  Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports
                  what house rules did you set for yourself for nba2k22 mate?

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                  • rudyjuly2
                    Cade Cunningham
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 14816

                    #1029
                    Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                    Originally posted by AIRJ23
                    What jumpshot defensive strength sliders are you guys running? I’m at 25 and it still kinda feels overpowered in that it’s not easy to hit contested shots, but it’s possible which is a win. Fairly realistic ratio but still sometimes too hard to make some with hands in your face. Tried it at 20 and it almost seemed too easy to hit shots (which was fun but I was winning more easily), or maybe I’m just too used to how hard 2K makes it on default.
                    Jump shot release at 0.
                    Shot Coverage Impact at 10.

                    These really balance out open vs contested for me. Lowering shot coverage does bring down overall shooting percentage but this is my sweet spot. This has been the most difficult 2K game to balance for this imo. Way too extreme on default where contested shots barely went in.

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                    • jk31
                      MVP
                      • Sep 2014
                      • 2663

                      #1030
                      Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                      Originally posted by rudyjuly2
                      Jump shot release at 0.
                      Shot Coverage Impact at 10.

                      These really balance out open vs contested for me. Lowering shot coverage does bring down overall shooting percentage but this is my sweet spot. This has been the most difficult 2K game to balance for this imo. Way too extreme on default where contested shots barely went in.

                      But if you put Shot timing impact to 0, then each and every open shot will be green and thus go in. the shooting percentages are already way too high in this game, even on standard sliders.

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                      • Johnnythelegend
                        Pro
                        • Mar 2010
                        • 812

                        #1031
                        Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                        How's the defence that is team/help defense right now. I can get the game on discount but not sure if I should. How much of an improvement it is over 2k21. Would you recommend it?

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                        • rudyjuly2
                          Cade Cunningham
                          • Aug 2002
                          • 14816

                          #1032
                          Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                          Originally posted by jk31
                          But if you put Shot timing impact to 0, then each and every open shot will be green and thus go in. the shooting percentages are already way too high in this game, even on standard sliders.
                          This isn’t true at all. At least not for me and not with the shot coverage slider turned down.

                          Edit: I should add that the shot timing slider is 100% personal preference. I have found the shot meter to be very difficult to time this year. I’ve struggled with it more than any other game. So at 0 it gives me some wiggle room to make shots that aren’t close to perfect. For those that think shot timing is easy then I simply tip my cap.
                          Last edited by rudyjuly2; 11-17-2021, 01:56 PM.

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                          • strosdood
                            MVP
                            • Nov 2020
                            • 1168

                            #1033
                            Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                            Originally posted by jrose57
                            what house rules did you set for yourself for nba2k22 mate?


                            I just stay mindful to not exploit the CPU AI if there’s obvious things that are exploitable…… lately I’ve called fewer manual PnR’s is the main thing……. But that’s gotten better the last couple weeks though


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                            • MakaveliLPC
                              Rookie
                              • Mar 2005
                              • 362

                              #1034
                              Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                              Originally posted by rudyjuly2
                              This isn’t true at all. At least not for me and not with the shot coverage slider turned down.

                              Edit: I should add that the shot timing slider is 100% personal preference. I have found the shot meter to be very difficult to time this year. I’ve struggled with it more than any other game. So at 0 it gives me some wiggle room to make shots that aren’t close to perfect. For those that think shot timing is easy then I simply tip my cap.
                              I agree, and it's been bugging the hell outta me re: shot meter. I went back and played and 2K20 (maybe it was 19) and the meter was much better. Maybe it's because that meter you had to fill up to the top whereas this year there's a sweet spot. I also feel like it pops up late maybe but there's definitely something about it throwing me off.

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                              • AIRJ23
                                MVP
                                • Apr 2021
                                • 2804

                                #1035
                                Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                                Y’all really still playing with the shot meter on lol

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