Coaching Legacy of James Frizzell (CH 2K8)

[VandyRedskins21]

Re: Coaching Legacy of James Frizzell (CH 2K8)

First of all congrats on another championship! That must have been an extremely exciting way to win the whole thing.

In respects to the legacy question, I have been going through the same thing the past couple of months. Even though I don't post my legacy anymore, I felt the same way about my Brown legacy and thought that I more or less took advantage of the weaknesses of the game. I ended up getting to the national championship at Ball State and felt like it was because of the recruiting loopholes and other things and it didn't really feel like I earned anything. The past couple of months I've been trying to figure out what kind of legacy that I want to start over with to be my "once and for all" legacy. I ended up starting the Brown legacy over with a lot of house rules. Personally, I'm excited to do this all over again. I loved playing at Brown and this challenge should be frustratingly fun.

All that to say, I love the idea that you are going back and starting a new legacy using the things you've learned along the way over the past 7 or so years playing this game. It almost gives the feeling of just getting the game again, but at the same time knowing all of the things that make the game so fun.

And congrats on passing those exams!

[superjames1992]

Re: Coaching Legacy of James Frizzell (CH 2K8)

First of all congrats on another championship! That must have been an extremely exciting way to win the whole thing.

In respects to the legacy question, I have been going through the same thing the past couple of months. Even though I don't post my legacy anymore, I felt the same way about my Brown legacy and thought that I more or less took advantage of the weaknesses of the game. I ended up getting to the national championship at Ball State and felt like it was because of the recruiting loopholes and other things and it didn't really feel like I earned anything. The past couple of months I've been trying to figure out what kind of legacy that I want to start over with to be my "once and for all" legacy. I ended up starting the Brown legacy over with a lot of house rules. Personally, I'm excited to do this all over again. I loved playing at Brown and this challenge should be frustratingly fun.

All that to say, I love the idea that you are going back and starting a new legacy using the things you've learned along the way over the past 7 or so years playing this game. It almost gives the feeling of just getting the game again, but at the same time knowing all of the things that make the game so fun.

And congrats on passing those exams!

Thanks! Good to see you still around. I wish you'd post your legacy again, but I understand that it takes a lot of time.

Good to hear you still having fun with CH 2K8. Reading a lot of the other threads on here with others at small schools is one of the things that got me to really seriously consider starting over. Like I've said, there's no way I am leaving this one behind as I have put too much work into it, but I do think it would be fun to have another fresh legacy on the side. Plus, knowing what I know now, I know there are things I can do differently to not take advantage of the game coming up the ranks this time.

Those exams were a real pain, but they're done now. I just have to take four more classes (over two semesters) and then I will graduate in May 2016 (assuming I pass them all, of course!) with my M.A. degree. Then it's out into the big, wide world... oh, boy. When I started this legacy, I was 15 and now I am turning 23 next month.

Anyways, I am about to post an individual player preview, which I haven't done before, but could be interesting and maybe give a little more context about the players.

[superjames1992]

Re: Coaching Legacy of James Frizzell (CH 2K8)

2030-2031 West Virginia Individual Player Preview

Starters:

PG #3 Fred Joiner 6'4 205 (Staten Island, NY) 89 overall SR

Joiner comes back for his senior season looking to make a statement and solidify himself as a lottery pick in the NBA Draft. Joiner had a breakout year his freshman year when he played PG and SG as the team's sixth man behind Waitari Trammell and Leandro Summers, but did not perform as well his sophomore year. He bounced back a bit last season and will look to become the team's preeminent player this year. Joiner is quick, has great size for a point guard, can drive the ball to the basket very well, and is also a good shooter. In short, he can do it all, and he'll get every chance to show that this year.

SG #22 Predrag Gabler 6'7 218 (El Paso, TX) 84 overall JR

Predrag Gabler is a second-year starter and an excellent spot-up shooter, which is his main role on this West Virginia squad. He has great size for a shooting guard and in fact grew another inch this offseason to 6'7". His size makes him lethal defensively and also allows him to rebound very well for a '2' guard. He doesn't put the ball on the floor much, but that isn't his role. He's a '3 & D' player.

SF #31 Myron DeLeon 6'7 208 (Memphis, TN) 81 overall FR

Myron DeLeon is a highly-touted freshman out of Memphis, Tennessee. He has been unexpectedly thrust into a starting role with Almondo Whelchel's decision to forgo his junior season and declare for the NBA Draft. DeLeon is unseasoned, but is said to be a good shooter and he has some degree of ability to put the basketball on the floor. He was also a good defender in high school. Of course, being a freshman, much is still unknown and we will see how his skillset translates to the college game.

PF #11 Ethan Augustin 6'8 220 (Rancho Cucamonga, CA) 85 overall JR

Ethan Augustin will start at power forward this season with Happy Olson's decision to forgo his senior season and declare for the NBA Draft. Augustin is a good post-up player and can hit some shots when backing his man down. However, he lacks the typical size that West Virginia head coach James Frizzell likes from his big men. Augustin was highly-touted out of high school and played heavy minutes as the first big man off the bench in 2028-2029, but he saw very little playing time after the midpoint of the season last year as Happy Olson took over that role and Augustin was relegated to garbage minutes. It will be interesting to see how Augustin handles this new role as the team's starter after barely playing last season.

C #43 O.J. Palmer 7'0 297 (Philadelphia, PA) 86 overall SR

O.J. Palmer will get the nod at center for the third consecutive year. Palmer has great size in the low post at nearly 300 lbs. and 7'0" tall. He has a nice post game and is a good rebounder. He anchors the Mountaineers' defense down low. He, along with Joiner, will be expected to carry the load this season for the Mountaineers. He isn't much of a threat outside of the paint, but he's very effective within 10 feet of the basket.

Bench:

PG #5 Theron Dux 5'11 186 (Spokane, WA) 86 overall SO

Theron Dux will get the nod as Fred Joiner's backup for the second consecutive year and is the presumable starter going into the 2031-2032 season. Dux is very quick and can drive the ball to the rack very effectively. He is also an excellent ball-handler. Unfortunately, his shot still needs a lot of work as he shot under 20% from beyond the three-point arc last season, which really hamstrings his use in the system Frizzell runs in Morgantown. He also doesn't particularly have great size at 5'11". If he can improve his shot this season, he can really begin to breakout as the top man for the Mountaineers off the bench.

PG #2 Monwell Weaver 6'1 171 (St. Louis, MO) 77 overall FR

Monwell Weaver comes in as a highly-touted marksman from beyond the three-point arc. He likely won't see a lot of minutes at point guard this season with Dux anchoring the backup spot there, but he should see a lot of minutes at the '2' guard as he will compete with Matt Blanchard to be the primary backup behind Predrag Gabler. He lacks size for a typical '2' guard, but his presumed shooting ability is just too good to keep off the floor, if it lives up to the hype.

SG #14 Matt Blanchard 6'3 206 (San Francisco, CA) 82 overall JR

Matt Blanchard hasn't seen much playing time during his tenure at WVU as he lost out on the backup shooting guard position to Predrag Gabler during his freshman year a couple years ago. However, he will have a chance to get playing time this year either at shooting guard or small forward. Blanchard was an excellent shooter coming out of high school, but he has not really lived up to the hype at WVU. We will see if this can be his breakout year because if he can hit threes, he will see playing time.

SG #34 Dedrick Packevicius 6'5 212 (Birmingham, AL) 79 overall FR

Dedrick Packevicius has good size for a shooting guard and could get a shot at playing either at shooting guard or small forward this season, but his shot needs a lot of work. He was not a very good shooter in high school and has been unimpressive during fall practice. If he can get his shot to fall on a more consistent basis, especially from beyond the arc, he will have more of a shot to get consistent playing time, but that is something he needs to work on this season and will probably keep him off the floor, aside from spot minutes here and there.

PF #41 Willie Gomes 7'1 221 (Lincoln, NE) 82 overall FR

Willie Gomes is a highly-touted redshirt freshman out of Lincoln, Nebraska. Gomes redshirted last season with the glut the Mountaineers had at power forward and center, but he will compete with Daniel Cox to be the Mountaineers' first big man off the bench. Gomes has tremendous size in the mold of many of West Virginia's great big men over the last decade and has a nice post game, to boot. He has all the potential to be a future star. In many ways, his size, look, and game remind us of Tre Welch.

C #51 Daniel Cox 6'10 257 (Australia) 85 overall SR

Daniel Cox has not seen much playing time since he came to Morgantown from Australia four years ago, but this year will be his best chance. Cox has decent size, but just hasn't shown the skillset needed to get consistent minutes at center during his tenure. It is likely that he'd see significant playing time at any other team in the country, but the Mountaineers have had such great big men during his tenure that he has barely sniffed the floor. Cox will compete with Gomes for playing time, and if it is like past years where Frizzell settles for an eight-man rotation by midseason, only one of them will ultimately see the floor when it matters in March.

[Deuce2223]

Re: Coaching Legacy of James Frizzell (CH 2K8)

What is Dux's 3pt rating? I am curious if he just has a low rating, or if you personally just don't shoot well with his shot style? I know we have talked about changing shot styles in the past, and you have commented you don't typically do it, but I really feel like if a kid has the skills to be a potential starter and the only thing holding him back was his 3pt shot, he would be in the gym shooting 100 a day before hitting the showers and his coach would be there helping him, so again for me, changing a players shot style is a way of coaching them up. It's not like in a Open legacy where people just go in and change their ratings, here your only options are shot type and shot selection, which is another area where I feel like a coach would have a little say but still it would be the player who would decide whether or not they are going to put up that shot.

[superjames1992]

Re: Coaching Legacy of James Frizzell (CH 2K8)

What is Dux's 3pt rating? I am curious if he just has a low rating, or if you personally just don't shoot well with his shot style? I know we have talked about changing shot styles in the past, and you have commented you don't typically do it, but I really feel like if a kid has the skills to be a potential starter and the only thing holding him back was his 3pt shot, he would be in the gym shooting 100 a day before hitting the showers and his coach would be there helping him, so again for me, changing a players shot style is a way of coaching them up. It's not like in a Open legacy where people just go in and change their ratings, here your only options are shot type and shot selection, which is another area where I feel like a coach would have a little say but still it would be the player who would decide whether or not they are going to put up that shot.

I don't think I necessarily have a huge problem with Dux's shot. He just isn't a great shooter. His 3PT rating did jump up to 71 for this season, though, so maybe there's some hope there. With that kind of rating, you'd probably expect the guy to shoot close to 30% from three-point range. We shall see!

[Barbatrucco]

Re: Coaching Legacy of James Frizzell (CH 2K8)

I don't think I necessarily have a huge problem with Dux's shot. He just isn't a great shooter. His 3PT rating did jump up to 71 for this season, though, so maybe there's some hope there. With that kind of rating, you'd probably expect the guy to shoot close to 30% from three-point range. We shall see!

Your Legacy is amazing! Totally totally totally amazing! I started to read from the first season!
Your fan from Italy. Also i will start in the next few days my adventure http://www.operationsports.com/forum...rbatrucco.html

[superjames1992]

Re: Coaching Legacy of James Frizzell (CH 2K8)

Your Legacy is amazing! Totally totally totally amazing! I started to read from the first season!
Your fan from Italy. Also i will start in the next few days my adventure http://www.operationsports.com/forum...rbatrucco.html

Haha, good to see you back, man!

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By the way, I found out a way to manipulate closed legacy into allowing me to start with UNC Greensboro. UNCG is a 66 overall team with the 2007-2008 rosters I have (which are just the default rosters with the correct names, IIRC), but for some reason they don't show up on the default closed legacy list. However, by messing with the lineups and making the worst players start, you can plunge their rating into the upper 50s, which does allow them to be picked when starting a new closed legacy. Then, of course, once you get into closed legacy, you can fix your lineup and continue on like normal with a 66 overall team again.

I think I will start one with them on the side.

I also think I am going to pump the difficulty up to MOP for this legacy and any new one I might start. I have had some reservations about MOP in the past as I think some weird things go on at that level, but I need to make this as difficult as I can at this point.

[superjames1992]

vs.
Loyola (MD) (1-1) vs. #2 West Virginia (1-0)
Carrier Dome
Syracuse, NY
November 11th, 2030
NIT Season Tip-Off A Semifinal

No. 2 West Virginia (1-0) rolled in their opening game of the 2030 season as they defeated Loyola (MD) 77-49 to advance to the final game of the NIT Season Tip-Off Group A bracket. The winner of the A bracket will advance to New York City, where they will play for the NIT Season Tip-Off Title at Madison Square Garden.

Loyola (1-1) kept the game close early, but the Mountaineers pulled away for a 15-point halftime advantage and extended their lead in the second half.

The large WVU lead gave head coach James Frizzell a chance to give all of his players playing time. Experienced veteran seniors Fred Joiner and O.J. Palmer had great outings, but freshmen MyRon DeLeon and Monwell Weaver also had a chance to showcase their skills.

Fred Joiner was very impressive for WVU as he paced the Mountaineers' offense with 22 points, four rebounds, six assists, and three steals. He was very efficient as he shot 8/12 from the field. O.J. Palmer struggled shooting the basketball (4/11 FG), but his presence inside was instrumental as he hauled down 16 rebounds and scored 12 points. Freshman small forward MyRon DeLeon struggled shooting from deep (1/5 3PT FG), but he played well inside the arc and was strong on the glass as he tallied 12 points and six rebounds. Freshman sharpshooting guard Monwell Weaver also played well as he scored eight points, going 3/3 from the field and 2/2 from three-point range.

Alton Schmieder led Loyola with 11 points, but only shot 4/17 from the field.

The Mountaineers held a decisive edge tonight on the glass as they outrebounded the Greyhounds 49-26.

Fordham defeated Sacred Heart 70-68 in the other game in the NIT Season Tip-Off Group A bracket and the Rams will face off against West Virginia tomorrow for a chance to go to Madison Square Garden. Loyola and Sacred Heart will play in the consolation game earlier tomorrow, as well.

Loyola (MD) Greyhounds vs. West Virginia Mountaineers
Nov 11, 2030	1ST	2ND	SCORE
Loyola (MD) (1-1)	21	28	49
#2 West Virginia (1-0)	36	41	77

Loyola (MD) Greyhounds
STARTERS	MIN	FGM-A	3PM-A	FTM-A	REB	AST	STL	BLK	TO	PTS
D. Gill	22	0-3	0-0	0-0	4	3	1	0	3	0
B. Todd	30	3-8	2-6	0-0	0	1	1	0	0	8
A. Andrew	31	1-8	1-5	4-7	3	1	0	0	2	7
A. Schmieder	27	4-17	2-2	1-2	2	1	1	0	0	11
J. Tamayo	26	3-7	0-0	3-4	6	1	2	2	0	9
BENCH	MIN	FGM-A	3PM-A	FTM-A	REB	AST	STL	BLK	TO	PTS
F. Lufkin	19	1-4	0-2	3-4	1	2	1	0	0	5
C. Chandler	19	1-4	0-1	1-2	4	1	3	1	1	3
P. Stevenson	11	2-3	0-0	0-0	3	0	0	0	3	4
V. John	7	1-1	0-0	0-0	2	0	0	0	0	2
J. Bruthelleus	7	0-1	0-1	0-0	1	0	0	0	1	0
N. Augustin	-- DID NOT PLAY --
D. Sherrill	-- DID NOT PLAY --
TEAM TOTALS		16-56	5-17	12-19	26	10	9	3	10	49

West Virginia Mountaineers
STARTERS	MIN	FGM-A	3PM-A	FTM-A	REB	AST	STL	BLK	TO	PTS
F. Joiner	32	8-12	2-3	4-6	4	6	3	0	2	22
P. Gabler	24	2-7	0-2	0-0	6	0	1	0	1	4
M. DeLeon	23	4-9	1-5	3-3	6	2	1	0	0	12
E. Augustin	22	3-7	0-0	0-0	8	1	0	0	0	6
O. Palmer	32	4-11	0-0	4-5	16	2	0	1	2	12
BENCH	MIN	FGM-A	3PM-A	FTM-A	REB	AST	STL	BLK	TO	PTS
T. Dux	8	0-2	0-0	4-4	2	2	0	0	1	4
D. Cox	8	1-3	0-0	0-0	3	0	0	1	0	2
W. Gomes	18	2-3	0-0	3-4	2	0	0	0	0	7
M. Blanchard	6	0-1	0-1	0-0	1	0	1	0	0	0
D. Packevicius	5	0-2	0-2	0-2	0	0	1	0	0	0
M. Weaver	22	3-3	2-2	0-0	1	0	1	0	3	8
TEAM TOTALS		27-60	5-15	18-24	49	13	8	2	9	77

[Dawgfan1]

Re: Coaching Legacy of James Frizzell (CH 2K8)

Haha, good to see you back, man!

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By the way, I found out a way to manipulate closed legacy into allowing me to start with UNC Greensboro. UNCG is a 66 overall team with the 2007-2008 rosters I have (which are just the default rosters with the correct names, IIRC), but for some reason they don't show up on the default closed legacy list. However, by messing with the lineups and making the worst players start, you can plunge their rating into the upper 50s, which does allow them to be picked when starting a new closed legacy. Then, of course, once you get into closed legacy, you can fix your lineup and continue on like normal with a 66 overall team again.

I think I will start one with them on the side.

I also think I am going to pump the difficulty up to MOP for this legacy and any new one I might start. I have had some reservations about MOP in the past as I think some weird things go on at that level, but I need to make this as difficult as I can at this point.

They don't show up because they had a winning record the previous season. I thought that that should always prevent them from showing up regardless of their overall, but maybe any team in the 50s is eligible for a closed legacy no matter the record the previous season.

[whughes]

Re: Coaching Legacy of James Frizzell (CH 2K8)

They don't show up because they had a winning record the previous season. I thought that that should always prevent them from showing up regardless of their overall, but maybe any team in the 50s is eligible for a closed legacy no matter the record the previous season.

This isn't 100% correct. I don't remember which teams they were, but I was jus looking through the closed legacy teams thinking about starting a new one and a couple teams on the list had finished jus over .500 with records of like 14-12 and 15-11

[gsutiger]

Re: Coaching Legacy of James Frizzell (CH 2K8)

They don't show up because they had a winning record the previous season. I thought that that should always prevent them from showing up regardless of their overall, but maybe any team in the 50s is eligible for a closed legacy no matter the record the previous season.

They need to be below an certain OVR..I had to mess with Grambling to get them below the OVR to start mu legacy with them..I cant remember the number but i googled it to find out before i started cause i wanted to start with them

[superjames1992]

Re: Coaching Legacy of James Frizzell (CH 2K8)

They don't show up because they had a winning record the previous season. I thought that that should always prevent them from showing up regardless of their overall, but maybe any team in the 50s is eligible for a closed legacy no matter the record the previous season.

This isn't 100% correct. I don't remember which teams they were, but I was jus looking through the closed legacy teams thinking about starting a new one and a couple teams on the list had finished jus over .500 with records of like 14-12 and 15-11

They need to be below an certain OVR..I had to mess with Grambling to get them below the OVR to start mu legacy with them..I cant remember the number but i googled it to find out before i started cause i wanted to start with them

Interesting stuff. Thanks, guys.

[Deuce2223]

Re: Coaching Legacy of James Frizzell (CH 2K8)

So when do you plan on starting this new legacy?

[OliDegu2008]

Re: Coaching Legacy of James Frizzell (CH 2K8)

So when do you plan on starting this new legacy?

Wait, what?! You're restarting? Uh oh, start the rumor mill now

[Deuce2223]

Re: Coaching Legacy of James Frizzell (CH 2K8)

Wait, what?! You're restarting? Uh oh, start the rumor mill now

If you scroll back a few pages, he stated he wants to start a new legacy and from the sounds of it will be running with UNC Greensboro (where he went to school). However don't worry, he plans on keeping this one going until Coach Frizzell retires.