LXXVII Spawn III: Game Over (See Post 4507)

[oliegirl]

Nothing. What a jip. :(

*Slaps Ketchup Boy*

Was it any better coming from a woman???? ;)

[hoopsguy]

Olie, did you have an action last night?

[Schmidty]

Woke up earlier. Laid back down. Didn't wake up in time. So much to read. :(

[hoopsguy]

Guns - Olie, Schmidty (unless we believe Spawn can use private abilities like duplicant), and maybe Mrs Schmidty?

I think that third one is debatable. Mrs S has the best role with protect/spy options but I'm a smidge less confident in her than I am Saldana at the moment. If we are worried about the Brig we could give it to Pass, but that is probably lower on my list of concerns now.

[Danny]

I've tried to get votes on you - that might have triggered an ability if more people folllowed :)

So really last night my vote on you could have been simply helping you to gain your special ability ;)

[Schmidty]

Ok. Here's what I got in my PMs - I guarded the Cargo hold, and bothing happened.

In addition, I am the Duplicant, and used my power last night to copy the Doctor's power. I checked out Render. He is not a Spawn.

[RendeR]

Olie, did you have an action last night?

She must have got some action last night, she's exhausted today ;)




*runs*

[oliegirl]

Olie, did you have an action last night?

I tried to sleep but there were no beds :(

I did post that earlier but it was when I was tired and cranky so you might have missed it...

[Danny]

So at this point assuming Path is cleared, Alan, Kwhit, Hoopsguy and Render are all cleared.

I might be putting a vote on Telle as well. She's the only officer that is not cleared and her response to hoopsguy today was very similar to her response when she got converted in the Rise of the great old ones game.

A very nonchalant, I don't really know why this person is saying this, but I know I was trying to sleep/sleeping kind of thing.

[Alan T]

I tried to sleep but there were no beds :(

I did post that earlier but it was when I was tired and cranky so you might have missed it...


Olie, you arent going to try to sleep tonight right? We kind of need you

[Alan T]

Pass, I've reconsidered.. I think going with Path, kwhit, Render and myself in the brig seems like hte best move if you agree

[RendeR]

Ok. Here's what I got in my PMs - I guarded the Cargo hold, and bothing happened.

In addition, I am the Duplicant, and used my power last night to copy the Doctor's power. I checked out Render. He is not a Spawn.


I love you man!

[oliegirl]

She must have got some action last night, she's exhausted today ;)




*runs*

LOL

[Schmidty]

I love you man!

The feeling is mutual!!! :D

[oliegirl]

Olie, you arent going to try to sleep tonight right? We kind of need you

No. I was hoping to but saw your post asking me to guard something...Security HQ I think, I'll be submitting my PM shortly

[PurdueBrad]

Catching up took forever so this amounts to a hit and run for now but I'll be on in an hour or so.

vote Telle

although the Chubby/MV dynamic is intriguing to try and get to the bottom of.

[Danny]

I like that vote right now the best as well. Of course, as always since we're still guessing, it could change.

Vote Telle

[oliegirl]

Guns - Olie, Schmidty (unless we believe Spawn can use private abilities like duplicant), and maybe Mrs Schmidty?

I think that third one is debatable. Mrs S has the best role with protect/spy options but I'm a smidge less confident in her than I am Saldana at the moment. If we are worried about the Brig we could give it to Pass, but that is probably lower on my list of concerns now.

What if we did me, Schmidty (to avoid his temper tantrum) and Saldana? If you are more confident in him, doesn't that make more sense?

[oliegirl]

Second request for a vote count :)

[Danny]

I think the reason he said Mrs. Schmidty is because Saldana can only guard the slave pens which probably are as important as some other areas tonight.

[Alan T]

What if we did me, Schmidty (to avoid his temper tantrum) and Saldana? If you are more confident in him, doesn't that make more sense?

The only thing is Saldana can only guard the slave pen which is already protected by the security HQ.. so giving him a phaser does nothing really right now. Once in space we want to consider moving him to a new positon

[Passacaglia]

To me, no. He was fishing to see if there was an emapth and if he could out him. I don't for a second think there's 2 empaths.

Why not?

[Danny]

I think the reason he said Mrs. Schmidty is because Saldana can only guard the slave pens which probably are NOT as important as some other areas tonight.

Fixed

[Passacaglia]

OK - I have SEVEN pages of posts to catch up on, and I'm back to work in less than 5 minutes so it's going to take a little while.

Hoops, please let me know (if you haven't already done so) who you would like me to hand phasers to tonight and I'll get that order in. I am going to get my PM in for sleep early tonight so hopefully I'll get a bed...I'm willing to share if any of you cute men in uniform would like to join me ;)

I don't know if it's the best idea to blindly trust hoops at this point.

[Passacaglia]

No offense taken at all - this is only my second try at WW (and the first time I died off fairly quickly) and this is a very hardcore game ... fun, confusing but hardcore ... not quite used to having every comment I make micro-analysed, especially as I'm only paying half attention while trying to work.

Um...don't you post on the SI boards?

[Marc Vaughan]

Um...don't you post on the SI boards?

LOL :D

Yeah I do and yeah that does happen - but I'm fairly familiar with our games whereas WW is something new to me ..

[Passacaglia]

Vote Telle

My head just might explode.

So all the stuff between Chubby and Marc Vaughan makes you unvote hoopsguy, and vote Telle? Did you forget what side you were on? ;)

[Danny]

So all the stuff between Chubby and Marc Vaughan makes you unvote hoopsguy, and vote Telle? Did you forget what side you were on? ;)

I didn't vote with the chubby/Marc Vaughn either. I really don't trust one over the other at this point and think it's very possible there are two ensigns.

I did just think of something though, let me find the post again that came to mind.

[oliegirl]

I don't know if it's the best idea to blindly trust hoops at this point.

Well no one else seems to have a problem with his choices. But if I were to listen to you, who would you have me give them to?

[Passacaglia]

Pass, I've reconsidered.. I think going with Path, kwhit, Render and myself in the brig seems like hte best move if you agree

You had considered before? I must have missed it. I haven't been on my game much today, and this seems fine to me at first glance. Does anyone have a problem with this?

[Danny]

Ok I'm not totally confused - apparently my ability failed or 'something' ...

I can't determine whether the statement is true or not -

I have no idea what that means I can only think of two conclusions -
* You're the mind spawn thingy and ate my power
* The 'unaware spawn' isn't aware they're a spawn and you aren't 100% sure if you are one or not (I don't know if they do know it in game or whether they know they're spawn just can't use their abilities during the day - couldn't work it out from the description, sorry - anyone know?).
* Something else - probably an ambigiuty in the wording?

The statement I scanned was:
"I am not a spawn, I have never been a spawn, I do not have a spawnling in me, I am not the unaware spawn."

You're quite correct in that I check just now and it does indicate I can only use the ability twice - which I have now done (not sure where I got once per day from, probably senility).
At least on the bright side if you lynch me I'm already out of my ability now.

(incidentally if I was really a spawn and trying a 'ploy' I'd surely have read the power description more clearly? :D)

Here is MV's result of the scan of something Chubby said.

MV could not understand whether the following statement was true or not
"I am not a spawn, I have never been a spawn, I do not have a spawnling in me, I am not the unaware spawn."

If one of these statements were true, for example "I am not the unaware spawn, wouldn't it make the answer to the question "I can't determine whether the statement is true or not " make sense if the answer to another part of the question, for example "I am not a spawn" was false. Honestly, this makes sense a lot of sense to me, that one or more of the things Chubby said here was true and one or more false.

Of course this is assuming MV is not a spawn.

[Passacaglia]

I didn't vote with the chubby/Marc Vaughn either. I really don't trust one over the other at this point and think it's very possible there are two ensigns.

I did just think of something though, let me find the post again that came to mind.

The thing is that heinz had his vote on hoops before the MVC shitstorm. During that shitstorm, he unvotes hoops, then after the shitstorm, he votes for Telle -- the other side of the HGT shiststorm. It might just be that path scanned hoops in between those, though.

[PurdueBrad]

Engineers:

Overnight, I would like to see Tyrith, myself, and JEHeinz work on the engines. This gives us one extra manpower hour than needed which I think is a good idea.

I would like to see Danny pair up with Claphamsa on the water supply.

Anybody have any thoughts on this?

[Passacaglia]

Well no one else seems to have a problem with his choices. But if I were to listen to you, who would you have me give them to?

I usually keep away from trying to convince people what to do when I'm a potential candidate to have it done to. My advice is to do what YOU want.

[Danny]

I do, I would rather be with the largest group of engineers in order to best use my power.

[PurdueBrad]

I do, I would rather be with the largest group of engineers in order to best use my power.

That's fine, than make it you, me and Tyrith with Heinz and Claphamsa paired up.

[Passacaglia]

Here is MV's result of the scan of something Chubby said.

MV could not understand whether the following statement was true or not
"I am not a spawn, I have never been a spawn, I do not have a spawnling in me, I am not the unaware spawn."

If one of these statements were true, for example "I am not the unaware spawn, wouldn't it make the answer to the question "I can't determine whether the statement is true or not " make sense if the answer to another part of the question, for example "I am not a spawn" was false. Honestly, this makes sense a lot of sense to me, that one or more of the things Chubby said here was true and one or more false.

Of course this is assuming MV is not a spawn.

It's tough, because Chubby didn't use an 'and' or an 'or' in his sentence. Maybe it was hard to figure out what the sentence really meant?

[Chubby]

So far I've used it only to verify that the doc did indeed clear Alan (ie. he's definitely clear and safe). - MV

Is what I am empathing.

[Danny]

Engineers:

Overnight, I would like to see Tyrith, myself, and JEHeinz work on the engines. This gives us one extra manpower hour than needed which I think is a good idea.

I would like to see Danny pair up with Claphamsa on the water supply.

Anybody have any thoughts on this?

It would make more sense to me for me to be in the engine and you with Clap, though, I wouldn't be against all four of us working in the engine considering we are all exhausted and some repairs might fail.

If we do go 3 and 2 though, I would like to be with Tyrith and Jeheinz to get an even better feel for them.

[claphamsa]

I will work with heinze on the water! toommorow i have put in an order to shadow tyrith.

[Danny]

It's tough, because Chubby didn't use an 'and' or an 'or' in his sentence. Maybe it was hard to figure out what the sentence really meant?

It's possible, I wish MV would have scanned a different statement.

[PurdueBrad]

Danny, have you worked with Claph yet? I know you've been with me, Tyrith, and Heinz at least once each.

You might be right though, in the risk of failure go with four of us on the engines. I hadn't taken the exhaustion problem into account.

So if we put four people on the engines and one on the water, how would you like to break it up?

[claphamsa]

i have put an order in to work on the water...... see yalls monday ({unless i can steal wifi on saturday!)

[Passacaglia]

So far I've used it only to verify that the doc did indeed clear Alan (ie. he's definitely clear and safe). - MV

Is what I am empathing.

As long as it's okay to assume what 'it' is, you should be good.

[Danny]

I'm more likely to find a spawn the more times I am with someone, so having Clap be the one left out would make the most sense as I will learn more from being with any of you three then with Claph unless he is a spawn and I get lucky.

[PurdueBrad]

That works Danny. So it'll be the original four of us on the engines and we'll leave Claph on the water supply (plus it'll be easy to watch progress there).

[Danny]

That sound good PB. Jeheinz and I thought we would do that earlier and he sent in his order already as well.

[oliegirl]

Gah!

Third request for a vote count...anyone????

[Danny]

It's tough, because Chubby didn't use an 'and' or an 'or' in his sentence. Maybe it was hard to figure out what the sentence really meant?

After more thinking on this, I still think that if all of those statements were either true or false, that he would have gotten that as an answer. If MV is telling the truth, it still seems to me that not all of those statements have the same answer.

[Danny]

Gah!

Third request for a vote count...anyone????

It's so many pages to look through, as a guess Telle has about five, Mark Vaughn about 3 and I'm not sure about any others.

[Marc Vaughan]

Here is MV's result of the scan of something Chubby said.

MV could not understand whether the following statement was true or not
"I am not a spawn, I have never been a spawn, I do not have a spawnling in me, I am not the unaware spawn."

If one of these statements were true, for example "I am not the unaware spawn, wouldn't it make the answer to the question "I can't determine whether the statement is true or not " make sense if the answer to another part of the question, for example "I am not a spawn" was false. Honestly, this makes sense a lot of sense to me, that one or more of the things Chubby said here was true and one or more false.

Of course this is assuming MV is not a spawn.

I used that phrase because I believed (possibly incorrectly) that if there was a definite lie in the sentence then it'd flag as 'false' rather than unknown ... but I probably wouldn't know whether it was all false or not.

Thats how programming works anyway (ie. if( angry && a_pillock ) returns a fail if any of them aren't true).

(upon reflection possibly not the brightest presumption but old habits die hard)

[Chubby]

I like how you claim you got "I can't determine whether the statement is true or not" yet the rules clearly state that isn't an option for an answer.

[Marc Vaughan]

I like how you claim you got "I can't determine whether the statement is true or not" yet the rules clearly state that isn't an option for an answer.

Yes it does - 'Unknown' ... any reason you're still badgering me? ... thought you'd have got the cleared PM back by now ... or don't you have the empath ability?

[Danny]

Chubby's right that there are only three options. Something else interesting though, a person has a 50% chance to keep the empath power when converted to spawn.

[Danny]

I used that phrase because I believed (possibly incorrectly) that if there was a definite lie in the sentence then it'd flag as 'false' rather than unknown ... but I probably wouldn't know whether it was all false or not.

Thats how programming works anyway (ie. if( angry && a_pillock ) returns a fail if any of them aren't true).

(upon reflection possibly not the brightest presumption but old habits die hard)

This makes sense too actually. Eh, I still don't know about both of you so I will probably not vote for either of you.

[oliegirl]

It's so many pages to look through, as a guess Telle has about five, Mark Vaughn about 3 and I'm not sure about any others.

Yeah - between work and trying to stay caught up with posts, I can't go back through and get an accurate post count...thanks though.

The whole MV/Chubby thing seems odd, but I don't know who to trust. Given that MV has offered to sacrifice himself, and I don't think the suspicion on Telle is enough to lynch her yet...

VOTE MARC VAUGHAN

[Danny]

And with this post we now have more then the draft thread with no one dead

[PurdueBrad]

And with this post we now have more then the draft thread with no one dead

Having not played the other Spawn games, is this common to not have any deaths at this point? I guess I've been taking it for granted that we haven't lost anybody.

[Marc Vaughan]

Vote Marc Vaughan

(mainly because I think it'll show Chubby to be guilty as heck if I go and I don't think there's enough evidence on Telle to convict her ...)

[Marc Vaughan]

Chubby any word on your 'scan' yet?

[Marc Vaughan]

Methinks Chubby realises he's cornered - if he says I'm guilty then he'll be shown to have lied very quickly once I'm lynched ... if he says I'm not guilty than personally I'm not convinced he's an empath still (and yes I realise that means I'm 'not' cleared in that case - but its how I feel).

[saldana]

Huh.. interesting.. so 79 total now? I like that news, but unless we know how that happened I'm not sure we can't trust it that it might be bad or fake crystilium... Anyone with ideas of how the extra 5 got in there?
miracle worker

[Danny]

Don't self vote, ugg

[The Jackal]

10 pages to catch up on, jeez. I'm about to head to my poker game so I'm going to skim and pick someone to heal, then deal with catching up on the meat of the posts later tonight.

[Chubby]

Chubby any word on your 'scan' yet?

not yet

[Chubby]

Methinks Chubby realises he's cornered - if he says I'm guilty then he'll be shown to have lied very quickly once I'm lynched ... if he says I'm not guilty than personally I'm not convinced he's an empath still (and yes I realise that means I'm 'not' cleared in that case - but its how I feel).

not really cornered at all. I simply haven't heard back from barkeep. Kinda funny how you want to read into it tho

[bulletsponge]

barkeep isnt here

[Marc Vaughan]

not really cornered at all. I simply haven't heard back from barkeep. Kinda funny how you want to read into it tho

Says the person who's been consistently telling the world I should be burned at the stake? ... how exactly am I meant to take that when I know I'm innocent?

[PackerFanatic]

VOTE NO LYNCH

I will be around to possibly change this, but I can't see any cut and dry reasons to lynch anyone right now.

[The Jackal]

Now I have a slight dilemma. Path, chubby, and MV are wounded - path should presumably heal on his own tonight, and the other two are under heat. Hmm.

[The Jackal]

crap, gotta run, bbl.

[Mrs. Schmidty]

wow....another 15 pages to sift through...

[PackerFanatic]

wow....another 15 pages to sift through...

Today was a crazy day.

[Danny]

We are currently the 13th longest thread in Werewolf history here.

[Passacaglia]

Pass, I've reconsidered.. I think going with Path, kwhit, Render and myself in the brig seems like hte best move if you agree

Fair warning, Alan. I submitted an order to to put you, hoops, path, and KWhit in there. Day 1 has taught me that you can override what I've done (though I don't really see where in the rules it says you can do that), so I figured I'd let you know. My reasoning is to keep one COT intact, in case the RendeR/Schmidty COT falls through somehow.

[Passacaglia]

VOTE NO LYNCH

I'm out, possibly until after deadline.

[LoneStarGirl]

I really dont know how to vote here. Marc Vaughn lying about being an empath? Everybody following hoops blindly to hang Telle?

I think I am giong to wait till BK comes back with Chubby's statement to vote

[Barkeep49]

Olie announces that she, Mrs. Schmidty, and Schmidty get phasers tonight.

[Passacaglia]

I really dont know how to vote here. Marc Vaughn lying about being an empath? Everybody following hoops blindly to hang Telle?

I think I am giong to wait till BK comes back with Chubby's statement to vote

Who's following him blindly?

[Barkeep49]

The nice thing is that my allows me to basically sit on the net all day and still be considered good at my job. The bad thing is that I do actually have to, you know, work from time to time. Sorry for my absence from the thread.

[Passacaglia]

The nice thing is that my allows me to basically sit on the net all day and still be considered good at my job. The bad thing is that I do actually have to, you know, work from time to time. Sorry for my absence from the thread.

Sorry, the correct answer is to say, "holy shit, x pages since I checked the thread last!?!" Nice try.

[path12]

I'm holding off from voting for a bit, but as of now Telle is my vote. I think it's actually the best case that's been made yet -- hoops is good, he followed her checking in different places, and she's been outside twice thus far.

[Mrs. Schmidty]

Check your PMs. Not everyone has the skipping ability and I don't want to divulge that info publicly.

LOLOL

[Barkeep49]

Sorry, the correct answer is to say, "holy shit, x pages since I checked the thread last!?!" Nice try.
Clicking refresh at work, it's a bit of a disappointment when there are only *5* new posts from the time I finished the last batch.

[Mrs. Schmidty]

Today was a crazy day.

Do you mind giving me a summary of what happened? I want to be able to make a decision about a vote before deadline and I know I won't be able to gleam as much info as I would like by speed reading! :)

Still catching up though too, I'm on page 39 right now I think!

[Barkeep49]

Pass is undetered by today's action. He informs Alan, hoops, KWhit, and path that rather than sleep with the crew they will sleep in the brig.

Jackal also spends some time <s>playing with</s> healing himself.

[LoneStarGirl]

Who's following him blindly?

There are a few people who are voting for Telle when I dont see the argument.

If she turns up bad I will apologize profusely to hoops, but right now i just dont see how people can vote for her without more to go on.

[Chubby]

MV and I both need to be scanned.

It came back true which doesn't clear MV but it does appear that we have two empaths.

Unvote Marc Vaughan
Vote Telle

if for no other reason than everyone else seems to be on to her.

[LoneStarGirl]

BK... we could use a vote count down here when you get a chance

[Alan T]

Engineers:

Overnight, I would like to see Tyrith, myself, and JEHeinz work on the engines. This gives us one extra manpower hour than needed which I think is a good idea.

I would like to see Danny pair up with Claphamsa on the water supply.

Anybody have any thoughts on this?


I said my thoughts on this before, but I think all of you should do the engines.. better overdo it than not get it done. your plan risks Spawns pulling out alot of stops such as killing one of the engine crew while another one being a spawn faking their work...

[Marc Vaughan]

Ok Chubby I presume its a fair bet you've got that PM now? ...
(seeing as boss man has posted in the thread since you submitted)

Scratch that - seen your post so you got the PM back (or are pretending you did ... one or tother).

[Marc Vaughan]

Now I've been cleared I'll unvote myself

unvote Marc Vaughan
vote No Vote

[LoneStarGirl]

oooooooooooh marc edited.... I am telling

[Alan T]

Fair warning, Alan. I submitted an order to to put you, hoops, path, and KWhit in there. Day 1 has taught me that you can override what I've done (though I don't really see where in the rules it says you can do that), so I figured I'd let you know. My reasoning is to keep one COT intact, in case the RendeR/Schmidty COT falls through somehow.


You probably missed where we talked about this before, but Hoops as a security person needs to be out and about at night

[LoneStarGirl]

Do we think there are two empaths now?

[PackerFanatic]

I will tally up votes now.

[saldana]

holy shit people...i didnt get a chance to check the thread since i left for work this morning, other than the 2 minutes i was in this afternoon (thanks for helping alan and kwhit)...we really need to kill someone just to reduce the number of freaking posts!!!

i wish i had been around during the whole "there cant be more than one person with the same role" argument...iirc, there were multiple people with the same role in each of the previous games...we just wasted two empath scans for no reason, IMO

should i guard the slave pens again tonight even though sec. hq is online?

[Alan T]

holy shit people...i didnt get a chance to check the thread since i left for work this morning, other than the 2 minutes i was in this afternoon (thanks for helping alan and kwhit)...we really need to kill someone just to reduce the number of freaking posts!!!

i wish i had been around during the whole "there cant be more than one person with the same role" argument...iirc, there were multiple people with the same role in each of the previous games...we just wasted two empath scans for no reason, IMO

should i guard the slave pens again tonight even though sec. hq is online?

Up to you. We're short on beds and such so even if you don't guard them there is a chance you won't get a bed anyways.

[Marc Vaughan]

Do we think there are two empaths now?

Well I have indicated I am and Chubby has verified that.

So we've either got two empaths or two people pretending to be empaths or one empath ... take your pick ;)

(I 'know' I'm one but have my doubts about Chubby - he seemed a bit too insistent on lynching me and was apparently 100% certain I couldn't be an empath - what was that based on by the way Chubby?)

[Chubby]

Well I have indicated I am and Chubby has verified that.

So we've either got two empaths or two people pretending to be empaths or one empath ... take your pick ;)

(I 'know' I'm one but have my doubts about Chubby - he seemed a bit too insistent on lynching me and was apparently 100% certain I couldn't be an empath - what was that based on by the way Chubby?)

I just find it difficult to believe that BK would have 2 empaths plus a scanner PLUS other people be able to be made scanners.

[Danny]

I think you both are empaths personally. I don't think he would have backed off if he had been faking.

[LoneStarGirl]

I just find it difficult to believe that BK would have 2 empaths plus a scanner PLUS other people be able to be made scanners.

That was exactly my line of thinking... so unless the spawns have some abilities to counter all of that, us villagers have a pretty nice head start

[Danny]

That was exactly my line of thinking... so unless the spawns have some abilities to counter all of that, us villagers have a pretty nice head start

Except that two of the scans were just wasted, Marc used his first one on Alan and now there is only one left.

[PackerFanatic]

Telle (6) - hoopsguy (2013), Tyrith (2290), JeHeinz72 (2343), PurdueBrad (2406), Danny (2407), Chubby (2478)
Marc Vaughn (2) - bulletsponge (2150), oliegirl (2446)

No Lynch (5) - Alan T (2106), KWhit (2351), PackerFanatic (2459), Passacaglia (2466), Marc Vaughn (2482)

No votes: Render
Telle
mccollins
path 12
The Jackal
Schmidty
Saldana
Mrs. Schmidty
LoneStarGirl
Claphamsa

[PurdueBrad]

Alan, we've got it set-up where four of us will be fixing the engines, giving us five manpower hours for three hours work and Claph working elsewhere. Are we able to fix the engine overnight, run one quick mining mission to pad our crys some and take off early or do we have to wait until the end of a cycle?

[Chubby]

Except that two of the scans were just wasted, Marc used his first one on Alan and now there is only one left.

I would rather use scans than kill a villager which is why I didn't fake my scan. I thought about it to be honest but in the end, I'd rather not off a villager.

That said MV isn't cleared 100%, it just shows we're both empaths. I just think we need to have a lynch and if it's telle then so be it.

[Danny]

I think he's telling the truth based on your scan. A spawn will not start with that ability and I don't think the spawn would convert him, seems like many better candidates.

[bulletsponge]

MV and I both need to be scanned.

It came back true which doesn't clear MV but it does appear that we have two empaths.

Unvote Marc Vaughan
Vote Telle

if for no other reason than everyone else seems to be on to her.

wtf!! now that ive trusted you ill never do that again!! back to my plan to seek revenge against you

Unvote MVaughn

Vote Chubby

[path12]

That was exactly my line of thinking... so unless the spawns have some abilities to counter all of that, us villagers have a pretty nice head start

Based on the past games and the abilities stated in the rules, I'd say the Spawn have plenty of tricks up their sleeves. I fully expect to see some of them tonight.

Trust me, we're going to need all the help we can get.

[Danny]

wtf!! now that ive trusted you ill never do that again!! back to my plan to seek revenge against you

Unvote MVaughn

Vote Chubby

Huh, nobody made you vote with him before hearing the story. I'm really starting to think you could be a spawn.

[Alan T]

Alan, we've got it set-up where four of us will be fixing the engines, giving us five manpower hours for three hours work and Claph working elsewhere. Are we able to fix the engine overnight, run one quick mining mission to pad our crys some and take off early or do we have to wait until the end of a cycle?

As long as we can meet the requirements, the lift off order is immediate

[bulletsponge]

Huh, nobody made you vote with him before hearing the story. I'm really starting to think you could be a spawn.

pbbt, thats ridiculous

[Barkeep49]

"Pass, my dear chap. I just can't get behind your brig order again," Alan starts to pontificate. We are going to have Render in there instead of hoops in the brig tonight."

[Danny]

pbbt, thats ridiculous

Why did you jump on the Marc Vaughn vote without knowing why Chubby voted? And now why are you voting Chubby? Revenge makes no sense, he didn't specifically call for you to follow him, you chose yourself to make that quick vote.

[bulletsponge]

As long as we can meet the requirements, the lift off order is immediate

shouldnt we wait until we get a few extra crystals? dont we need them to make ammo for the guns and as a precaution if something goes wrong on the trip? certainly 1 more slave run in the morning couldnt hurt

[Mrs. Schmidty]

Weird, I cut/paste stuff out of the rules thread but don't think I did anything else differently.

So, I guess inadvertant?

My PM from BK this morning was messed up color wise also - maybe it's something that was happening with the thread.

[Chubby]

bullet is def towards the top of my not trusted list

[Danny]

My PM from BK this morning was messed up color wise also - maybe it's something that was happening with the thread.

Mine was kind of too, the color tag was unclosed, so where it was supposed to be bold it showed up normal.

[KWhit]

Here is MV's result of the scan of something Chubby said.

MV could not understand whether the following statement was true or not
"I am not a spawn, I have never been a spawn, I do not have a spawnling in me, I am not the unaware spawn."

If one of these statements were true, for example "I am not the unaware spawn, wouldn't it make the answer to the question "I can't determine whether the statement is true or not " make sense if the answer to another part of the question, for example "I am not a spawn" was false. Honestly, this makes sense a lot of sense to me, that one or more of the things Chubby said here was true and one or more false.

Of course this is assuming MV is not a spawn.

I was thinking that the statement came back as unknown because of the "I do not have a spawnling in me, I am not the unaware spawn." part - because it might be imposible for the person to know that one way or the other.

[Danny]

Hmmm, good point.

[PurdueBrad]

Alan, I don't know how much you care about my thoughts on this but I do have an opinion.

Off the slaves immediately or over-night and when we run tomorrow's last mining mission send no slaves and maybe just three humans. That should get us some extra crys although not a ton (it's a trade-off). I really don't like keeping the slaves around (I know this has been a theme with me).

[bulletsponge]

Why did you jump on the Marc Vaughn vote without knowing why Chubby voted? And now why are you voting Chubby? Revenge makes no sense, he didn't specifically call for you to follow him, you chose yourself to make that quick vote.


i had a hunch chubby had a real good reason for the vote, and i wanted to vote for someone. and my vote for Chubby has more to do with what went on between us in previous ww games, the weasle

[Danny]

Does it hurt to keep them one more night, run a mission with them and off them tomorrow?

[bulletsponge]

bullet is def towards the top of my not trusted list

yes agreed, andbody who went with you on that "waste all the empaths powers" trip sould get thier head examined

[PurdueBrad]

I might be wrong but I feel like we're to the point where they are truly expendable and more trouble than they're worth. Again though, I've felt this way most game so I could still be wrong.

[Danny]

Saldana and the slaves got us 31 crystalis today, so that helped :). Sucked on day one though, but I think that was our mistake overlooking the slave pens repair thinking it would be fine.

[Chubby]

yes agreed, andbody who went with you on that "waste all the empaths powers" trip sould get thier head examined

You voted right off the getgo before I had posted anything.

[KWhit]

Alan, I don't know how much you care about my thoughts on this but I do have an opinion.

Off the slaves immediately or over-night and when we run tomorrow's last mining mission send no slaves and maybe just three humans. That should get us some extra crys although not a ton (it's a trade-off). I really don't like keeping the slaves around (I know this has been a theme with me).

I completely disagree. I say we send Saldana and all slaves (so we don't risk additional exposure).

[PurdueBrad]

I know they did well today, but since we have one more mission to run tomorrow, I would rather not keep them around in case the spawn hit us strong and then they run amock. We can send three or four real players that have already been out on the same mission together to do just as well IMO.

[PurdueBrad]

I completely disagree. I say we send Saldana and all slaves (so we don't risk additional exposure).

That's an interesting idea. I'm just concerned about the spawn making a last ditch attack before we can take-off. If everyone wants to take the chance, I'll go along.

[bulletsponge]

You voted right off the getgo before I had posted anything.

wow, your sure desperate to get the attention off yourself after todays quest to hang someone else

[Danny]

How does the security work, Alan said something about the security system guarding the slave pen.

[KWhit]

Unvote No Lynch
Vote Telle

I'll go with this for tonight. I think we need a lynch.

[PackerFanatic]

Security Headquarters The Security HQ houses the weapons locker, the brig, and the ships’ security system. The security system protects the Slave Pens and Sleeping Quarters and automatically guards those places. If the Security HQ is undamaged neither place may be attacked by the Spawn. Any weapons not in the security locker will stay with whoever had them when the Security HQ became damaged. A successful spawn attack requires 3-7 man cycles of repair time.

Here it is, Danny.

[Chubby]

wow, your sure desperate to get the attention off yourself after todays quest to hang someone else

uhhhh, yeah.

You have my vote tomorrow if I'm not killed tonight. If I thought enough people would make it worthwhile to switch my vote tonight I would but I think the groups mind is pretty much made up.

[Mrs. Schmidty]

I'm not ready to jump on the Telle lynch mob just yet and it's too late in the evening to get a run on anyone else (assuming we had evidence to do such) so, yet again, I'm casting my

VOTE NO LYNCH

I had asked for a summary from someone that maybe had been able to be on all day and don't see one yet. I do see that the thread has grown yet another page and a half since I started reading though. :crazy:

The game is entertaining to say the least! I'm hoping that once we are able to launch we'll be able to settle down and focus a bit better on our crew mates. I will say that Bullet's drive by support vote of MV is setting off several alarms for me.

[PackerFanatic]

Telle (6) - hoopsguy (2013), Tyrith (2290), JeHeinz72 (2343), PurdueBrad (2406), Danny (2407), Chubby (2478), KWhit (2523)
Marc Vaughn (1) - oliegirl (2446)
Chubby (1) - bulletsponge (2498)

No Lynch - Alan T (2106), PackerFanatic (2459), Passacaglia (2466), Marc Vaughn (2482)

No votes: Render
Telle
mccollins
path 12
The Jackal
Schmidty
Saldana
Mrs. Schmidty
LoneStarGirl
Claphamsa

[PackerFanatic]

And of course, Mrs. Schmidty votes while I am posting, haha.

Telle (6) - hoopsguy (2013), Tyrith (2290), JeHeinz72 (2343), PurdueBrad (2406), Danny (2407), Chubby (2478), KWhit (2523)
Marc Vaughn (1) - oliegirl (2446)
Chubby (1) - bulletsponge (2498)

No Lynch - Alan T (2106), PackerFanatic (2459), Passacaglia (2466), Marc Vaughn (2482), Mrs. Schmidty (2526)

No votes: Render
Telle
mccollins
path 12
The Jackal
Schmidty
Saldana
LoneStarGirl
Claphamsa

[Mrs. Schmidty]

dola
There's actually enough folks on that we might be able to get in a solid lynch tonight on someone that is on more than a couple's people radar now I think.

UNVOTE NO LYNCH
VOTE BULLET

[Danny]

Mrs. Schmidty then make a vote there. There's still a lot of no votes and undecided, let's not assume there won't be a run on someone. If Bullet had enough votes to be lynched and Telle did not, I would switch.

[Danny]

lol, you already did :)

[Mrs. Schmidty]

lol, you already did :)

;)

[PackerFanatic]

I'm not ready to jump on the Telle lynch mob just yet and it's too late in the evening to get a run on anyone else (assuming we had evidence to do such) so, yet again, I'm casting my

VOTE NO LYNCH

I had asked for a summary from someone that maybe had been able to be on all day and don't see one yet. I do see that the thread has grown yet another page and a half since I started reading though. :crazy:

The game is entertaining to say the least! I'm hoping that once we are able to launch we'll be able to settle down and focus a bit better on our crew mates. I will say that Bullet's drive by support vote of MV is setting off several alarms for me.

Sorry, got busy - and really too much happened to explain it in a small summary (or at least help you with a vote, since I assume that is what you wanted) Basically, we had three missions today, all mining. First was really successful, other two weren't as much. We ended up one short of the required crys, but then found 5 more later in the day (assumed to be the miracle worker) Marc Vaughn revealed as empath, and then Chubby said he was full of crap and that was most of the afternoon. Turns out it is likely they are both empaths, but no way to confirm yet. Uh...can't think of anything else right now. Gotta go bath the baby, then I will be back.

[PackerFanatic]

Telle (6) - hoopsguy (2013), Tyrith (2290), JeHeinz72 (2343), PurdueBrad (2406), Danny (2407), Chubby (2478), KWhit (2523)
Marc Vaughn (1) - oliegirl (2446)
Chubby (1) - bulletsponge (2498)
Bulletsponge (1) - Mrs. Schmidty (2529)

No Lynch - Alan T (2106), PackerFanatic (2459), Passacaglia (2466), Marc Vaughn (2482)

No votes: Render
Telle
mccollins
path 12
The Jackal
Schmidty
Saldana
LoneStarGirl
Claphamsa

[path12]

I might be wrong but I feel like we're to the point where they are truly expendable and more trouble than they're worth. Again though, I've felt this way most game so I could still be wrong.

I'm on your side with this. I'd feel better if they were offed pronto. I'm worried about tonight.

[Mrs. Schmidty]

Sorry, got busy - and really too much happened to explain it in a small summary (or at least help you with a vote, since I assume that is what you wanted) Basically, we had three missions today, all mining. First was really successful, other two weren't as much. We ended up one short of the required crys, but then found 5 more later in the day (assumed to be the miracle worker) Marc Vaughn revealed as empath, and then Chubby said he was full of crap and that was most of the afternoon. Turns out it is likely they are both empaths, but no way to confirm yet. Uh...can't think of anything else right now. Gotta go bath the baby, then I will be back.

Thanks Packer. I actually got through most of the posts by ignoring my family and speed reading :D

I sticking with my vote but need to head to the store and to help with dinner.

I hope to be back before deadline.

[Barkeep49]

PF: I've got the same tally, except that Telle has 7 votes not 6.

[Mrs. Schmidty]

Before I take off, do we want our security staff to post on here where we're guarding so we don't leave anything open, or keep in on the DL?

[path12]

Been working late but will be leaving in a few. Unfortunately, that means I've got the 80 minute local bus from hell back home so I don't know if I'll be back by deadline.

VOTE TELLE

I think we need a lynch today also and as I stated earlier, this is our best case against IMO.

You can tell the cabin fever is setting in though the way the accusations are startin' to fly!!
I'm eager to get off this rock.

[Alan T]

Alan, I don't know how much you care about my thoughts on this but I do have an opinion.

Off the slaves immediately or over-night and when we run tomorrow's last mining mission send no slaves and maybe just three humans. That should get us some extra crys although not a ton (it's a trade-off). I really don't like keeping the slaves around (I know this has been a theme with me).

I've already talked over several options with BK about how I can handle the slaves. I don't really want to say right yet in thread so the spawn can find out. Trust me though I have a plan to get rid of them, just can't say when or how

[PurdueBrad]

Alan, you are one of two or three people I trust so I appreciate that and won't push. That's enough for me and I hope you didn't think I was being too paranoid or over-stepping my bounds as an engineer.

[Alan T]

Before I take off, do we want our security staff to post on here where we're guarding so we don't leave anything open, or keep in on the DL?

Keep it on the downlow.. Schmidty and oliegirl are locked in where they have to protect certain areas that are important (cargo hold and security HQ).. that leaves the engines which are super important.. You and Hoops are the two that have to decide if you are guarding the engines or hoping the other will...

At this point I'd rather both guard than neither however.. but your call I wouldnt post in the thread though in case one of you want to be sneaky

[PurdueBrad]

Time to work on the next song...

[Alan T]

Alan, you are one of two or three people I trust so I appreciate that and won't push. That's enough for me and I hope you didn't think I was being too paranoid or over-stepping my bounds as an engineer.

No I didn't feel that way at all.. I'm trying very hard to not be heavy handed as the captain (which is difficult for my personality type) :)

As for the slaves, I personally wanted them killed after day 1 but didnt because the majority of people asked me not to.. and they have helped us out a bunch I think, so I feel the majority made a better choice there than me.

I'm hoping to listen to the crew as well about when to kill off the slaves as best I can without compromising any other plans or ship issues

[Alan T]

Keep it on the downlow.. Schmidty and oliegirl are locked in where they have to protect certain areas that are important (cargo hold and security HQ).. that leaves the engines which are super important.. You and Hoops are the two that have to decide if you are guarding the engines or hoping the other will...

At this point I'd rather both guard than neither however.. but your call I wouldnt post in the thread though in case one of you want to be sneaky


Oh re-reading I guess only schmidty is locked in and oliegirl could also guard either the engine or the security HQ.. but either way I dont know that we want to announce our moves to the spawn

[Danny]

I need to run to a tux rental place now, so I will be gone until after the deadline. I feel fine about leaving my vote on Telle in regards to comparing her to others. Whether it is Telle or not though, I hope we see a lynch today.

[LoneStarGirl]

Since I have been opposed no lynch since the get go and since it looks like we are close to lynching somebody I am all about it!

vote telle

[LoneStarGirl]

oh and for what its worth I would love to vote bulletsponge instead, but like Mrs. Schmidty said i doubt we are gong to get a run on him with an hour to deadline

[hoopsguy]

Fair warning, Alan. I submitted an order to to put you, hoops, path, and KWhit in there. Day 1 has taught me that you can override what I've done (though I don't really see where in the rules it says you can do that), so I figured I'd let you know. My reasoning is to keep one COT intact, in case the RendeR/Schmidty COT falls through somehow.

I'm hoping that this is overturned so I can use my night abilities. RendeR is a better choice than me for the lockup.

[PurdueBrad]

Power of Crys (Huey Lewis' Power of Love)

The power of crys is a curious thing
Make the spawn weep, make us humans sing
Change a broken ship into a little white dove
More than gasoline, that's the power of crys

Mined like diamonds, important as air
stronger and harder to find that BK's hair (sorry BK)
Leave a bad spawn behind, make a weak phaser strong
Power of crys let's us all get gone

You don't need money, don't take a chip
Don't need no ticket to ride this ship
Its strong and almost fixed
and it might just save your life
That's the power of crys
That's the power of crys

[hoopsguy]

I really dont know how to vote here. Marc Vaughn lying about being an empath? Everybody following hoops blindly to hang Telle?

I think I am giong to wait till BK comes back with Chubby's statement to vote

It isn't blind.

1.) She has been on three away missions
2.) She has not been cleared
3.) Her explanation for activities last night do not jive with my PM from following her
4.) People are listening to me because the seer scanned me after I returned from my away trip

[bulletsponge]

how many votes does it take to hang someone tonight?

[PurdueBrad]

how many votes does it take to hang someone tonight?

8 I believe

[Passacaglia]

Good call, Alan -- now that you mention it, I do remember that hoops needs to do night actions (but I didn't think of it then). Also, you and I are usually early-morning people. Can you tell me when you'll be available in the morning? I'd like to get your opinion on something then.

[hoopsguy]

OK, so I want to go after the COT notion a little bit.

Day 1 - Path clears KWhit
Night 1 (no brig) - Mrs Schmidty protects KWhit

KWhit - can you confirm that Mrs Schmidty protected you that evening?

[RendeR]

Vote No Execution

I just don't see enough evidence for anyone thus far. The Cap'n voted No Execution and I'm a good c'mpnee man.

[Passacaglia]

Now for my vote switch. Right before I left, path made a good point. hoops, who has been scanned cleaned, said he saw Telle up to something. That scan is not totally trustworthy, but it's enough for me to give him a little benefit of the doubt. And if Telle comes up good, then we'll know that we should be looking hard at whether this COT is real.

UNVOTE NO LYNCH
VOTE TELLE

[RendeR]

I'm out for awhile.

[hoopsguy]

Also, anyone know who were the Night 1 people that got mixed up with slaves?

I'm pretty certain that Mrs Schmidty shot one of them. Someone else (Olie?) shot a slave that night, as we had two spent phasers.

Who were the others that encountered slaves?

[saldana]

I completely disagree. I say we send Saldana and all slaves (so we don't risk additional exposure).

i 100% agree. i will guard the pens again tonight, sans phaser, and then run a mission with 5 slaves tomorrow morning...if you could plan one for me, that would be excellent.

i am only working a half day tomorrow, so I should be able to keep up a bit better (sorry about my prolonged abscenses today)

[hoopsguy]

we should be looking hard at whether this COT is real.


I'm going through that exercise right now. I think it makes sense to question either way, as a sanity check if nothing else.

[Alan T]

Good call, Alan -- now that you mention it, I do remember that hoops needs to do night actions (but I didn't think of it then). Also, you and I are usually early-morning people. Can you tell me when you'll be available in the morning? I'd like to get your opinion on something then.

I'll be here first thing in the morning probably 7-8ish

[Alan T]

OK, so I want to go after the COT notion a little bit.

Day 1 - Path clears KWhit
Night 1 (no brig) - Mrs Schmidty protects KWhit

KWhit - can you confirm that Mrs Schmidty protected you that evening?

Not sure what you have in mind, but even though I'm trying to not rely solely on my gut feelings this game I do have a pretty good gut feeling that kwhit is still ok.

[hoopsguy]

I'm out for awhile.

Bummer, was hoping to get your thoughts on the differences between my PM and Telle's accounting of it, given your no vote lynch.

You were cleared today and didn't go on an away mission.
I was cleared today after going on an away mission.

We should be able to have a more trust-based conversation right now than at just about any point in a werewolf game. I'm honestly very interested in hearing what your thoughts are on Telle so far.

[Alan T]

i 100% agree. i will guard the pens again tonight, sans phaser, and then run a mission with 5 slaves tomorrow morning...if you could plan one for me, that would be excellent.

i am only working a half day tomorrow, so I should be able to keep up a bit better (sorry about my prolonged abscenses today)


Saldana will you be around in the morning or not till afternoon?

[hoopsguy]

Not sure what you have in mind, but even though I'm trying to not rely solely on my gut feelings this game I do have a pretty good gut feeling that kwhit is still ok.

I don't really have a master plan here ... I just want to identify where we may have some potential weakness in the COT. If it is ironclad, that is great news.

I've got questions on your gut feeling, but don't want to go over them in the thread if you don't want to discuss them at length.

[saldana]

just to prevent any nonsensical late shifting

vote telle

[saldana]

Saldana will you be around in the morning or not till afternoon?

i will be on for about half an hour at 7 am, then back around 1230

[mccollins]

Starting at the top of page 48 right now ... I'm going to glance at the end to see if I need to do anything (like vote...)

[Alan T]

I don't really have a master plan here ... I just want to identify where we may have some potential weakness in the COT. If it is ironclad, that is great news.

I've got questions on your gut feeling, but don't want to go over them in the thread if you don't want to discuss them at length.

I'm not really ready to go over them in thread. Once we get into space (hopefully tommorrow) if you want to use your interrogation with me to talk in private, I don't mind explaining what I feel there.

[hoopsguy]

Actually, Alan, I'll take a different direction. I was under the impression that your "trusted officer" was someone besides KWhit.

I don't want to know if your gut is pure gut, or game-ability gut. Just letting you know where I was at with my thought process.

[Alan T]

I don't really have a master plan here ... I just want to identify where we may have some potential weakness in the COT. If it is ironclad, that is great news.

I've got questions on your gut feeling, but don't want to go over them in the thread if you don't want to discuss them at length.


Hoops, just so you know where I stand with you.. I was really close to pulling the trigger and offing you last night but restrained myself, today I feel better about you after Path's scan obviously. Even though I've been asking for someone to scan path for days and no one has, I still feel pretty decently about him being good mostly for metagame reasons probably. So his scan of you basically means you are either: 1) A good guy or 2) The unaware spawn... and I'm not in the habit of starting a hunt on someone who if bad would only fit one of the multiple bad guy roles if that role even is in play here.. just way too low percentages.

I still feel a bit uneasy about your track of conversations yesterday and still fill a bit uneasy about you.. but there is no mathematical reason I feel that anyone should look at you for quite some time.

[saldana]

alan, do me a favor and dont do anything to the slaves until i get back after 12...i would just like to be part of the conversation since i become a sponge if they are dead

[Alan T]

alan, do me a favor and dont do anything to the slaves until i get back after 12...i would just like to be part of the conversation since i become a sponge if they are dead


Not going to comment too much about the slaves right now, but I will say once they are killed it probably makes sense to move you to a normal security officer so you have more flexibility with your actions.

[Passacaglia]

Not sure what you have in mind, but even though I'm trying to not rely solely on my gut feelings this game I do have a pretty good gut feeling that kwhit is still ok.

This post really worries me. Hasn't KWhit already been cleared? Why pile on?

UNVOTE TELLE
VOTE ALAN T

[Mrs. Schmidty]

OK, so I want to go after the COT notion a little bit.

Day 1 - Path clears KWhit
Night 1 (no brig) - Mrs Schmidty protects KWhit

KWhit - can you confirm that Mrs Schmidty protected you that evening?

I'm looking for where KWhit confirmed that I guarded him, the exact post number, and yes, I also killed a slave with my phaser.

[Passacaglia]

FWIW, though, I will switch back to Telle if it's needed to lynch her.

[Alan T]

This post really worries me. Hasn't KWhit already been cleared? Why pile on?

UNVOTE TELLE
VOTE ALAN T

Pass, you are either drunk, or didn't read what you just quoted that I said.. or are making a really bad spawn play.

[Alan T]

Ahh woops, forgot I have to run the bb-bbcf sim.. going to multitask in and out to find out what drugs Pass is on.

[KWhit]

Also, anyone know who were the Night 1 people that got mixed up with slaves?

I'm pretty certain that Mrs Schmidty shot one of them. Someone else (Olie?) shot a slave that night, as we had two spent phasers.

Who were the others that encountered slaves?

I was one of the people attacked by a slave on night 1. I was wounded but escaped.

As far as Mrs. Schmidty's actions that night, I can't confirm she did what she said she was going to do (I got nothing in my PM that referred to her at all), but she said she was going to guard me, BKs morning post said she was awake in the sleeping quarters (same location where I slept), and I believe she said she killed a slave (which would make sense if one attacked me, but she was guarding me).

So the circumstancial evidence says to me that she did guard me night 1.

[Telle]

Can somebody explain to me what a spawn could possibly be doing "sneaking about"? What in the rules would match up with this at all? Was I seen attacking someone? No. Was I seen trying to convert someone? No. Was I seen attacking the ship? No.

All we have is hoops's speculation about what he thinks he saw. I told you all, I chose to not go to bed and ended up wandering the halls trying to stay awake.

And since this is the only other persons with votes going on right now..
VOTE BULLETSPONGE

[KWhit]

This post really worries me. Hasn't KWhit already been cleared? Why pile on?

UNVOTE TELLE
VOTE ALAN T

Pass, Alan's post was in defense of me (guarded defense, but still in defense). Hoops was beginning to slightly question my CoT status, and Alan was saying he thought I was a-ok. I think your vote is misplaced here.

[Passacaglia]

Ahh woops, forgot I have to run the bb-bbcf sim.. going to multitask in and out to find out what drugs Pass is on.

If I find all my recruits gone somehow, I'll know what to blame it on.

[Passacaglia]

Where's Chubby? He would join me in this vote. Any other takers?

[oliegirl]

I'm back from dinner and caught up...

The more I think about it, the more I'm concerned that Telle was infected on one of her missions, but I don't know if there is enough evidence to justify me putting a vote on her. It's crazy to think that we don't have any spawn among us at this point, but no one has been killed which is kind of freaking me out. I don't think I've played a game where the wolves are this quiet. Maybe if we just keep voting No Lynch they will keep leaving us alone.

I'm not a fan of No Lynch - but in this case I am not comfortable with anything else.

UNVOTE MARC VAUGHAN
VOTE NO EXECUTION

[Mrs. Schmidty]

I was one of the people attacked by a slave on night 1. I was wounded but escaped.

As far as Mrs. Schmidty's actions that night, I can't confirm she did what she said she was going to do (I got nothing in my PM that referred to her at all), but she said she was going to guard me, BKs morning post said she was awake in the sleeping quarters (same location where I slept), and I believe she said she killed a slave (which would make sense if one attacked me, but she was guarding me).

So the circumstancial evidence says to me that she did guard me night 1.

That works for me since I can't find the post I was looking for anyway.

[Passacaglia]

I'm back from dinner and caught up...

The more I think about it, the more I'm concerned that Telle was infected on one of her missions, but I don't know if there is enough evidence to justify me putting a vote on her. It's crazy to think that we don't have any spawn among us at this point, but no one has been killed which is kind of freaking me out. I don't think I've played a game where the wolves are this quiet. Maybe if we just keep voting No Lynch they will keep leaving us alone.

I'm not a fan of No Lynch - but in this case I am not comfortable with anything else.

UNVOTE MARC VAUGHAN
VOTE NO EXECUTION

What about hoops spying on her?

[KWhit]

Olie,

They're converting people at this point. When we lift off the planet, they can't convert any new spawn (that's why Alan and I have been advocating doing anything to get us off asap). At that point, they'll start to kill.

[Mrs. Schmidty]

I'm back from dinner and caught up...

The more I think about it, the more I'm concerned that Telle was infected on one of her missions, but I don't know if there is enough evidence to justify me putting a vote on her. It's crazy to think that we don't have any spawn among us at this point, but no one has been killed which is kind of freaking me out. I don't think I've played a game where the wolves are this quiet. Maybe if we just keep voting No Lynch they will keep leaving us alone.

I'm not a fan of No Lynch - but in this case I am not comfortable with anything else.

UNVOTE MARC VAUGHAN
VOTE NO EXECUTION

I'm not sure how the conversions work, but my guess is that they are trying to increase their numbers right now instead of kill us. We seem to have some sort of false sense of security with no one dying.

[Passacaglia]

Maybe if we just keep voting No Lynch they will keep leaving us alone.


And is this serious?

[KWhit]

I'm back from dinner and caught up...

The more I think about it, the more I'm concerned that Telle was infected on one of her missions, but I don't know if there is enough evidence to justify me putting a vote on her. It's crazy to think that we don't have any spawn among us at this point, but no one has been killed which is kind of freaking me out. I don't think I've played a game where the wolves are this quiet. Maybe if we just keep voting No Lynch they will keep leaving us alone.

I'm not a fan of No Lynch - but in this case I am not comfortable with anything else.

UNVOTE MARC VAUGHAN
VOTE NO EXECUTION

Note to self (and anyone else paying attention)...

This vote looks wolfish if Telle is a spawn.

[Barkeep49]

Leaving work shortly and want a vote count as of now:

Telle – hoops (2013), Tyrith (2290), jh (2343), Purdue (2406), Danny (2406), Chubby (2478), KWhit (2523), path (2539), LSG (2547), saldana (2567)
No execution – Alan (2006), Packer (2459), Marc (2482), render (2556), olie (2585)
Chubby - Bullet (2498)
Bullet – Mrs. Schmidty (2529), 2581 (Telle)
Alan – Pass (2575)

[Alan T]

Note to self (and anyone else paying attention)...

This vote looks wolfish if Telle is a spawn.

Between oliegirl's vote and whatever Pass is doing.. I'm really not sure what is going on right now.. I mean I support a no lynch.. but the timing of all of this is just weird..

[Passacaglia]

Since I have been opposed no lynch since the get go and since it looks like we are close to lynching somebody I am all about it!

vote telle

Whoa, I missed this vote -- following blindly, nice!!

[mccollins]

Vote Marc Vaughan

(mainly because I think it'll show Chubby to be guilty as heck if I go and I don't think there's enough evidence on Telle to convict her ...)

I didn't train you for nothing! I hope you unovoted!

[Passacaglia]

Between oliegirl's vote and whatever Pass is doing.. I'm really not sure what is going on right now.. I mean I support a no lynch.. but the timing of all of this is just weird..

I don't think you need to worry. Even if you got a vote or three, you wouldn't really be in danger of lynching tonight, anyway.

[mccollins]

alan, do me a favor and dont do anything to the slaves until i get back after 12...i would just like to be part of the conversation since i become a sponge if they are dead

I think I can make you some kind of specialist.

[LoneStarGirl]

Olie,

They're converting people at this point. When we lift off the planet, they can't convert any new spawn (that's why Alan and I have been advocating doing anything to get us off asap). At that point, they'll start to kill.

what all do we have to do in order to lift off? I thought we were pretty close

[LoneStarGirl]

Whoa, I missed this vote -- following blindly, nice!!

maybe so, but I have wanted a lynch since day one... and its about time we get one... even if telle is not a spawn, at least we learn something from this.

[KWhit]

what all do we have to do in order to lift off? I thought we were pretty close

Repair the engines is all that's required.

But we may want to get a bit more crys so we can recharge the phasers in space.

[Alan T]

I don't think you need to worry. Even if you got a vote or three, you wouldn't really be in danger of lynching tonight, anyway.


Well first of all, you voted for me after quoting where I said I felt kwhit is good still trying to make it look like I said he was bad, even though the exact thing you quoted said the opposite of what you said..

Then you voted for me despite not even being allowed to vote for me in the game rules..

All of this despite the fact I've had several people scan me as good and I have been locked up every night since where I couldn't possibly be converted....


I really honestly have no idea what your game is right now

[hoopsguy]

I was one of the people attacked by a slave on night 1. I was wounded but escaped.

As far as Mrs. Schmidty's actions that night, I can't confirm she did what she said she was going to do (I got nothing in my PM that referred to her at all), but she said she was going to guard me, BKs morning post said she was awake in the sleeping quarters (same location where I slept), and I believe she said she killed a slave (which would make sense if one attacked me, but she was guarding me).

So the circumstancial evidence says to me that she did guard me night 1.

A secondary reason I'm interested is because BK gave me a vague answer on whether or not someone would know if I guarded them.

My thought - one that I think holds up based on the posts in the thread, but I'm more than willing to be corrected - is that people could both commit an action and defend against a slave. For example, Mrs S could guard you and off a slave.

However, the second part of the thought that no villagers are going to be able to confirm, is that the slaves were able to attack both villagers and spawn. So the people who were injured by slaves are not inherently good or evil. I don't think I've said anything controversial so far.

Now, here comes the next part. There has been some concern about Path as a Spawn who is clearing villagers, but is he the only person we need to worry about in the tank? Well, maybe not because you were out in the open on Night 1. If Mrs Schmidty is human, then you are back to 100% cleared status. If Mrs Schmidty is spawn, then we are in a very scary spot because she could have converted you N1 and we've been throwing you in the Brig with other "cleared" people each night.

How likely do I think this is? Not terribly likely. But while others are going to rightfully suggest a scan on Path, I would add that if/when we have two doctors that Mrs Schmidty moves near the top of that list to help us nail down the COT even tighter.

Now if others have additional reasons to discount this fairly paranoid line of thought, so be it. But I figured this made for a little more interesting conversation than just hanging out waiting for a lynch.

[Passacaglia]

Well first of all, you voted for me after quoting where I said I felt kwhit is good still trying to make it look like I said he was bad, even though the exact thing you quoted said the opposite of what you said..

Then you voted for me despite not even being allowed to vote for me in the game rules..

All of this despite the fact I've had several people scan me as good and I have been locked up every night since where I couldn't possibly be converted....


I really honestly have no idea what your game is right now

Sorry, by 'pile on' I meant piling on with the clearing. KWhit has been cleared a lot of times, and it seemed like your post was overkill. Just seemed off.

[oliegirl]

What about hoops spying on her?

I am not sure that Hoops spying on her and seeing her doing nothing constitutes evidence that she is spawn. But I'm not a spawn and to prove it I'll vote with the village. I don't see how me voting no lynch makes me look spawnish, but at this point my vote isn't going to matter one way or the other - Telle has 10 votes on her already.

UNVOTE NO EXECUTION
VOTE TELLE

[Passacaglia]

I am not sure that Hoops spying on her and seeing her doing nothing constitutes evidence that she is spawn. But I'm not a spawn and to prove it I'll vote with the village. I don't see how me voting no lynch makes me look spawnish, but at this point my vote isn't going to matter one way or the other - Telle has 10 votes on her already.

UNVOTE NO EXECUTION
VOTE TELLE

I don't think voting 'with the village' proves you're not a spawn. It jus proves you're a bandwagoner. Especially if, by your own admission, your vote doesn't matter.

[oliegirl]

And is this serious?

It was meant to be sarcastic and ironic - but I can see it didn't come across that way :D

You've just been looking for something to harass me about haven't you???? I knew the lack of harassing from your wouldn't last forever ;)

[Passacaglia]

Okay, if no one is going to follow me on Alan, that's fine.

UNVOTE ALAN T
VOTE TELLE

[Alan T]

Sorry, by 'pile on' I meant piling on with the clearing. KWhit has been cleared a lot of times, and it seemed like your post was overkill. Just seemed off.


How can you say that? I was directly responding to Hoops's comment prior to that...

I sure hope this is just a case of you only halfway paying attention to a very active thread and not just a really bad play on your part.

[hoopsguy]

Alan, if you were in the jail with spawn you could have been converted. I don't think this happened, but I don't want the idea that jail = no chance of conversion. That clearly is not the case as a general rule, although I hope it does prove to be the case for at least the first three days of this game.

[Passacaglia]

It was meant to be sarcastic and ironic - but I can see it didn't come across that way :D

You've just been looking for something to harass me about haven't you???? I knew the lack of harassing from your wouldn't last forever ;)

It just seemed like you were trying to come up with a lot of reasons NOT to vote Telle.

[oliegirl]

I don't think voting 'with the village' proves you're not a spawn. It jus proves you're a bandwagoner. Especially if, by your own admission, your vote doesn't matter.

Dammit pass...I vote one way and it pisses you off even though I've given reason for my vote...so I reconsider and vote another way to support the village and then you say I'm bandwagoning. WTH...my vote doesn't matter - Telle's fate was sealed. In my opinion, Hoops spying on her wasn't damning evidence, but I could be wrong. We'll know shortly - wouldn't be the first time I've been wrong in WW, and I doubt it will be the last. But you've been wrong before too so don't start jumping my shit over this.

[Passacaglia]

How can you say that? I was directly responding to Hoops's comment prior to that...

I sure hope this is just a case of you only halfway paying attention to a very active thread and not just a really bad play on your part.

No, it was neither. I may have misread something else in your post, but it's not a big deal.

[LoneStarGirl]

It just seemed like you were trying to come up with a lot of reasons NOT to vote Telle.

says the person who votes for the captain

[oliegirl]

Okay, if no one is going to follow me on Alan, that's fine.

UNVOTE ALAN T
VOTE TELLE

My my my isn't that the pot calling the kettle black mr. bandwagon???????

:rant:

[Passacaglia]

Dammit pass...I vote one way and it pisses you off even though I've given reason for my vote...so I reconsider and vote another way to support the village and then you say I'm bandwagoning. WTH...my vote doesn't matter - Telle's fate was sealed. In my opinion, Hoops spying on her wasn't damning evidence, but I could be wrong. We'll know shortly - wouldn't be the first time I've been wrong in WW, and I doubt it will be the last. But you've been wrong before too so don't start jumping my shit over this.

That's all you had to say when I first asked about it. I didn't ask you to switch your vote, or even say you were wolfish.

[Alan T]

Alan, if you were in the jail with spawn you could have been converted. I don't think this happened, but I don't want the idea that jail = no chance of conversion. That clearly is not the case as a general rule, although I hope it does prove to be the case for at least the first three days of this game.

I think you are quickly losing most of the good will I have started feeling for you after Path's scan.. Your line of thinking while realistic is obviously not your normal optimal play. That with the timing of Pass's off the wall comments just gives me a feeling something is going on behind the scenes with you.

[saldana]

Okay, if no one is going to follow me on Alan, that's fine.

UNVOTE ALAN T
VOTE TELLE


aside from the fact that i dont think there is much reason to, we cant....no one can vote for the captain until an officer does, and none of them have.

[Passacaglia]

aside from the fact that i dont think there is much reason to, we cant....no one can vote for the captain until an officer does, and none of them have.

Did not see that. Oh well.

[mccollins]

Okay, if no one is going to follow me on Alan, that's fine.

UNVOTE ALAN T
VOTE TELLE

The Captain may only be executed by a Mutiny. No person may vote for the Captain to be executed until an Officer has done so and the First Officer must vote in favor of the mutiny.

Plus, I trust Alan T.

[Alan T]

Don't worry Pass.. maybe tommorrow I'll duke you which will auto-trigger a mutiny where people can vote to get rid of me.. Well you wouldn't be able to but others could :)

[Passacaglia]

I don't think you need to worry. Even if you got a vote or three, you wouldn't really be in danger of lynching tonight, anyway.

My vote, plus a vote or three, is 2-4. I thought Alan had the role of Gut Feeling. No big deal.

[hoopsguy]

I think you are quickly losing most of the good will I have started feeling for you after Path's scan.. Your line of thinking while realistic is obviously not your normal optimal play. That with the timing of Pass's off the wall comments just gives me a feeling something is going on behind the scenes with you.

OK, and I accept I'll lose even more good will if we (I) end up being wrong on Telle.

My line of thinking is how do we tighten the COT and how do we protect ourself from bad assumptions. Assumptions are something you hammered on earlier in the game. Scanning Path is something you have hammered on, and I'm in full agreement. I'm adding a 2nd candidate that I think absolutely cements the trust from any conceivable (sane) assumptions.

I'm not sure where the problem is here, frankly. I just think that you are reading this as undermining the trust when I'm trying to outline a plan to cement it.

Note that I'm trying to help the trust along by putting cleared RendeR in instead of me, even though I know that puts me back on the suspect list. I feel like I'm playing with the best interests of the ship in a big way here, as most people are fond of being trusted in these games ...

[hoopsguy]

Did BK mention that results would be late tonight?

[Alan T]

My vote, plus a vote or three, is 2-4. I thought Alan had the role of Gut Feeling. No big deal.


Thats fine, I thought about that as a possibility for what you were doing but since people can't vote for me it wouldn't really kick in... I don't think I have a gut feeling though if you read too much into what I was saying to Hoops earlier by calling it a gut feeling... Since I've gotten PMs each night without any votes, it doesn't seem to be related.. I was meaning a gut feeling regarding my normal play style where I would have already killed off the security chief, the doctor and gotten my self mutinied by now most likely if I was playing my normal game of gut feelings :)

[Alan T]

Did BK mention that results would be late tonight?

He mentioned he was heading home, I don't remember anything about them being late though.. I assume they'll happen in the next 30-40 min or so

[hoopsguy]

Let me ask this - do you think a Spawn, after being trusted, would want to be anywhere but the Brig? Which is where I argued not to be, and repeated this request after Pass put me in there?

[PackerFanatic]

Looks like we will get our first lynch of the game. I think tomorrow is going to be quite interesting.

[Alan T]

Let me ask this - do you think a Spawn, after being trusted, would want to be anywhere but the Brig? Which is where I argued not to be, and repeated this request after Pass put me in there?


Honestly? Yes. The spawn seem to have specialized roles and depending on the spawn in question, their role might be one that is highly desired to be out and about at night.

[Tyrith]

Someone have a final vote count that I can see for my records?

[Tyrith]

Honestly? Yes. The spawn seem to have specialized roles and depending on the spawn in question, their role might be one that is highly desired to be out and about at night.

Alright, without picking a side on this fight, if you're going to say that you have to actually go and pick out some that would fit that idea, I think, otherwise it's a bad argument.

[hoopsguy]

Also, I trust Path a little more after he chose to scan me. If he was a scan, he could have left me hanging when I had a bad water mission. I almost certainly would have picked up a good number of votes today and again been fighting to stay alive down the stretch.

It is incidental, and doesn't cinch him as a good guy for me, but it is a check in the "good" column as I score it.

[PackerFanatic]

Telle – hoops (2013), Tyrith (2290), jh (2343), Purdue (2406), Danny (2406), Chubby (2478), KWhit (2523), path (2539), LSG (2547), saldana (2567), Pass (2607), oliegirl (2604),
No execution – Alan (2006), Packer (2459), Marc (2482), render (2556)
Chubby - Bullet (2498)
Bullet – Mrs. Schmidty (2529), 2581 (Telle)

[hoopsguy]

Honestly? Yes. The spawn seem to have specialized roles and depending on the spawn in question, their role might be one that is highly desired to be out and about at night.

Now who is looking at the low probability scenario?
I have to be the exact right spawn to be cleared by Path.
I have to then not want to be in the Brig trying to convert, because my role works better outside the Brig?

[PackerFanatic]

Which means we still have 4 not voting. Schmidty and Clap are two

[Alan T]

Alright, without picking a side on this fight, if you're going to say that you have to actually go and pick out some that would fit that idea, I think, otherwise it's a bad argument.


Ok, for instance this stage of the game it is almost a necessity to have the spawn queen out and about:

Spawn Queen
May launch or join a regular or Spawn attack (see Attack below) once per night cycle. If the Spawn Queen dies, the Spawn Council may designate a new Spawn Queen by forgoing all attacks and secret role actions for one night. The new Spawn Queen may not keep any previous role they had.

I know.. because I was spawn queen last game

[Alan T]

Now who is looking at the low probability scenario?
I have to be the exact right spawn to be cleared by Path.
I have to then not want to be in the Brig trying to convert, because my role works better outside the Brig?


hey, I wasn't inferring anything that I think you are the spawn queen. You asked if I felt a spawn would want to not be in the brig and I said yes I could see how a spawn could be.. I thought we were talking in hypotheticals here!

[Alan T]

Now who is looking at the low probability scenario?
I have to be the exact right spawn to be cleared by Path.
I have to then not want to be in the Brig trying to convert, because my role works better outside the Brig?

The one thing I will say though, for you to not be scanned by path you would have to be the unaware spawn which doesn't do alot out and about right now.. My point was though that the action of not wanting to be in the brig doesn't = not spawn to me.. I think the best arguement for you is that Path scanned you as agood which limits which spawn you could be to 1

[Barkeep49]

Did BK mention that results would be late tonight?
I generally work until 9 PM Tues-Thur which makes producing a lynch at that time more difficult.

[Tyrith]

The one thing I will say though, for you to not be scanned by path you would have to be the unaware spawn which doesn't do alot out and about right now.. My point was though that the action of not wanting to be in the brig doesn't = not spawn to me.. I think the best arguement for you is that Path scanned you as agood which limits which spawn you could be to 1

I mean, ultimately, KWhit could be the unaware spawn, you could be the unaware spawn (really unlikely, as a spawn would be lynching people, but still possible in theory), Render could be the unaware spawn...I understand and sympathize with the bad vibe on hoops, but there's only so much we can do about it...right now. I'll be remembering this in a few days, though, for sure.

[hoopsguy]

I don't see why even the Spawn Queen would want to be separated from the COT in the Brig.