LXXVII Spawn III: Game Over (See Post 4507)

[Danny]

I think the lynch order right now should be this, Saldana, Schmidty, Me (so you guys can confirm my findings).

At this point I feel really good about four people objectively
Kwhit (100% cleared, game would be over if he was spawn)
PB (AT)
Clap (AT)
Jeheinz (would be hard to believe he could be spawn after all the times I've worked with him).

At this point, I would be shocked if the game wasn't over with a villagers win by the time Saldana and Schmidty (who I still have a gut feeling is good) are dead.

[Barkeep49]

Reminder that night actions are due by 3:30 AM today.

[claphamsa]

330 am?

im gonna sleep!

[saldana]

i dont know what to tell you guys...i gave my arguments earlier today, i almost agree with my lynching, except for the fact that im not a spawn, and you will have to do this whole routine again tomorrow

i am not gonna rant and rave, i know that i am responsible for the success of this mission as much as anyone, and the price of that success is you guys lynching me...i was ready for it as soon as i saw my role pm, and to be totally honest, am surprised i lasted this long..i am just a bit disappointed that i got this close to the end, and wont be around for the win.

[Danny]

BK, I think we confirmed it earlier, but can you confirm that Schmidty was rested when he got up this morning again?

[Barkeep49]

BK, I think we confirmed it earlier, but can you confirm that Schmidty was rested when he got up this morning again?
Yes he was rested.

[Barkeep49]

“Gentleman, I have an announcement to make. I have served this ship to the best of my ability. I have tried to save humanity and harvest Crystillium. And I was successful. Damn successful. But in the process I became a spawn. My ideals changed. But I know there is no chance of my surviving now. I do not want my former comrades to suffer or die in my place. So go ahead. Kill me. You will find yourselves safe after that.”

As this speech concludes Saldana awaits to see the reaction. Perhaps he hoped that he would be spared. But there is no sympathy, no compassion awaiting him. Simply a death. A death which comes mericifully quick. And in which it is discovered that yes saldana was a SPAWN. As the ship proceeds back to earth, the crew waits to see if he was telling the truth. And it seems that he was for nothing further happens.

When the crew reaches Earth, they are met with a hero’s welcome. And untold riches. Space travel has been saved for now, but when 23 people left for Earth and only 7 return there is no line awaiting to return to Spawn Planet. But there is no doubt that once again the supply of Crystillium will run out and so humanity will be once again forced to return to the planet.

[Barkeep49]

I'm at work now so I can't post everyone's secret roles but would be happy to answer questions you have. I'd be even more interested in suggestions as I'm sure at some point in the future there will be demand, and I will be available, to do Spawn 4.

[Danny]

Heck Yeah!!!!!!!

[Barkeep49]

Oh since it was of some confusion the last few days:

I don't remember the exact timing, but when Purdue learned who was in the CoT Clap was a private. He was then promoted the next DAY to engineer, but was not an engineer at the time of the PM (representing a night action).

[Danny]

Great job BK, I had an a lot of fun!

Engineers, we kicked ass this game :)

[Danny]

Oh since it was of some confusion the last few days:

I don't remember the exact timing, but when Purdue learned who was in the CoT Clap was a private. He was then promoted the next DAY to engineer, but was not an engineer at the time of the PM (representing a night action).

Yeah, I figured that had to be the case as Clap was the only person who could have possibly been in the CoT.

[Danny]

Tricky BK combining the threads ;). Just remember to change the post number of the end in the thread topic.

[Barkeep49]

Tricky BK combining the threads ;). Just remember to change the post number of the end in the thread topic.
Already done :).

[claphamsa]

I LOIVED TILL THE END!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[claphamsa]

when is spawn 4?

[Barkeep49]

I LOIVED TILL THE END!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is loived a combination of lived and loved? And if so who was your lover? Inquiring minds want to know.

[Barkeep49]

when is spawn 4?
Next summer at the soonest. I can only run the game when I have no real responsibilities.

[Danny]

Is loived a combination of lived and loved? And if so who was your lover? Inquiring minds want to know.

I couldn't resist the french maid's outfit he wore last night, plus it gets lonely in the ship.

[Danny]

Saldana, you played well. You were in a tough position, but did a good job lasting that long.

[claphamsa]

was saldana origional? like heinze thoguht? if not (looks like not) when did he convert?

[claphamsa]

who were the origionals?

[claphamsa]

I am (for this one short instant) almost as cool as my cat!

its a good feeling!

[Barkeep49]

No saldana converted on his second to last away mission.

The originals were olie, telle, and LSG. Pure coincidence. I did assign some people to public roles based on requests and such, but private roles were 100% random, except where it would create a game imbalance (originally all of the engineers were slated to be part of one CoT or another, for instance).

[Danny]

I should retire from Werewolf now.

[saldana]

i realized i had no chance to convince enough people not to lynch me, so i asked barkeep for nightfall so we could all have a well deserved nights rest tonight

i got totally spun in this game...the first 3 days, i was a survivor, busting my butt to get us off the planet, then day 4 rolls around an i woke up a spawn..i didnt bluff the last mining away team, to try to get people to believe in me, which worked to a point (today)

i think the spawn were at a serious disadvantage this game...there were tons of ways for the villagers to get the COT built up, and the only secret spawn role that was ever in the game was the Queen, which was of course oliegirl

the original spawn were olie, telle, and lonestargirl.

i was the only conversion that took place on the planet, packer and chubby were converted on the ship. the fact that i was converted off the ship is rather ironic, since my original secret role was a miracle worker...i never used it and lost it when i became a spawn...i lied about the light sleeper because no one could prove i was lying

not getting anything beyond the unevolved spawn was tough...every morning i got my pm hoping for something, because if i had gotten the skindancer, you would all be screwed, and kwhit would have been laughing at you all.

also in the irony category is the fact that the fake reveal about two secret roles that got chubby caught was before he was a spawn..i am interested in hearing why he thought it was necessary to claim resistant when he was still a human...i never actually got to talk to him, since he was killed before he got on the council

that was another thing that made it hard for the spawn...the 3 pm each rule was hard...the day that chubby got killed, i was dying at not being able to ask packerfanatic to stop commenting on the "vote for heinz" idea that kwhit had

all in all, i think it boiled down to too many ways for the survivors to build the COT...between the doctors, the ability to make more doctors, the AT groups, and the spawn awareness within the engineers, the spawn were seriously in trouble by the 2nd or 3rd day, before anyone had gotten lynched.

just my two cents, great job Barkeep!

[Barkeep49]

Oh and here's the most important thing to remember going forward for the survivors:

Spawn never sabotage away missions. Just too risky.

[Barkeep49]

I agree that the Spawn were at a severe severe disadvantage this game and it was the survivors to lose, which they didn't do. However, there were ways, involving the slaves and the water that they could have made things interesting. But I do agree the balance was on the survivor's side and it didn't help that the Spawn didn't seem to ever have a clear path as to how they were going to win.

Also Alan's contention that they were real unlucky with the slaves is exactly the opposite of the truth. At no point in the last game did they end a cycle with slave pen damage. There was a very small chance that the slaves WOULDN'T revolt so you got lucky that lift-off day.

[Danny]

I'm curious why Chubby and Packer were targets to convert in the ship, seemed like there would have been better people to convert.

[Danny]

And I agree that the survivors had an advantage, but if the spawn could have gotten a convert more in the CoT that would have helped.

[Danny]

Also, since there were no kills and apparently you guys didn't bring the Overlord spawn back, what were the actions of the spawn nights 1 and 2?

[saldana]

Saldana, you played well. You were in a tough position, but did a good job lasting that long.

thanks danny...i fully expected to be dead the day i got converted...path had already said he was going to scan me, which is why we killed both doctors....i had a minor stroke when i woke up and saw that we got them both, but that passacaglia had managed to make himself a doctor.

[Barkeep49]

Also, since there were no kills and apparently you guys didn't bring the Overlord spawn back, what were the actions of the spawn nights 1 and 2?
There were no spawn Night 1, they became spawn Day 2. And that was part of the balance. I did the initial damage right, except I needed to have done a full day's more worth of damage to compensate for the Spawn.

[saldana]

Also, since there were no kills and apparently you guys didn't bring the Overlord spawn back, what were the actions of the spawn nights 1 and 2?

according to BK, there were no spawn on night 1...on night 2 they converted packerfan

[Barkeep49]

thanks danny...i fully expected to be dead the day i got converted...path had already said he was going to scan me, which is why we killed both doctors....i had a minor stroke when i woke up and saw that we got them both, but that passacaglia had managed to make himself a doctor.
Yes Pass making himself a doctor was a great move. If he could have been trainer that would have been better, but that wasn't how the role was envisioned so it didn't happen.

[Schmidty]

WOOOHOOOO!!!!

I am just happy to have ridden on the coattails of better players yet again!!! :D

[KWhit]

Woo hoo! Great job survivors!

Once again, a great job running the game, BK.

Saldana, you did a great job lasting as long as you did.

[claphamsa]

WOOOHOOOO!!!!

I am just happy to have ridden on the coattails of better players yet again!!! :D
i dunno smitdy

we were a pretty sad lot in the end :)

[Danny]

We only had one bad lynch, we did really well, though with an advantage.

[KWhit]

So this was my third Spawn game and my third time being captain at one point or other in the game.

Game 1 - We won and I lived as Captain until the end
Game 2 - We lost, but I died a hero's death fighting the Spawn Overlord
Game 3 - Won again

I have more luck in the Spawn games than any other. Maybe that's why I like them so much.

[Schmidty]

i dunno smitdy

we were a pretty sad lot in the end :)

We suck, but like cockroaches, we are survivors!!!!

Seriously, this game is the exact reason why I'm never night-killed (unless I have a known role that's important) - The wolves never see me as a threat!!!

[Danny]

BK, how lucky was I on the roll with Packer that I ended up getting the upper hand and wounding him?

[Mrs. Schmidty]

Nice job guys and awesome story telling BK :)

Role suggestion, as the psychic I found it frustrating to not get info off folks after consecutive nights - 3 nights to get info seems like a bit much when the game is relatively short, know what I mean? Not sure how to rework it unless it's maybe to know 1/2 the info scan one and the other 1/2 scan two to make it only a 2 day sequence or something. :)

[Barkeep49]

Nice job guys and awesome story telling BK :)

Role suggestion, as the psychic I found it frustrating to not get info off folks after consecutive nights - 3 nights to get info seems like a bit much when the game is relatively short, know what I mean? Not sure how to rework it unless it's maybe to know 1/2 the info scan one and the other 1/2 scan two to make it only a 2 day sequence or something. :)
Fair enough. It was a new role I had added, but didn't want to make it too powerful with so many other roles around.

[saldana]

We suck, but like cockroaches, we are survivors!!!!

Seriously, this game is the exact reason why I'm never night-killed (unless I have a known role that's important) - The wolves never see me as a threat!!!

you would have been one of my thoughts for conversion if i had been able to do it any point...you were so under the radar, i dont think anyone ever voted for you

[KWhit]

Was there an unaware spawn?

[Barkeep49]

Was there an unaware spawn?
There was never any work done on the Overlord so there were no Spawn roles.

[PurdueBrad]

Hey guys-

Congrats villagers!!!!!!!!! Nice game.

BK, awesome job GM'ing, this is definitely one of my favorite games I've played and you did an awesome job GM'ing it (no surprise).

As for me, sorry for being a tad flakey the last day and a half, we just found out that we're going to have our first child.

[Danny]

Congrats PurdueBrad!

[hoopsguy]

Congrats, PB.

Although it may not have seemed like it at times, I had a lot of fun with this game. I think BK did a nice job of running it all the way through.

I agree that the balance was tilted towards the villagers, although I'm sure that a different set of actions by the spawn could have changed our perceptions on this point. The Overlord is a cool concept, but there seem to have been a really heavy penalty for not invoking it - no special roles all game long + tightly restricted PM rights = not that much fun a game for the bad guys, I'm guessing.

[claphamsa]

Hey guys-

Congrats villagers!!!!!!!!! Nice game.

BK, awesome job GM'ing, this is definitely one of my favorite games I've played and you did an awesome job GM'ing it (no surprise).

As for me, sorry for being a tad flakey the last day and a half, we just found out that we're going to have our first child.

CONGRATAS!!!!!

A PerdueSpawn!

[oliegirl]

Man - I hate that the villagers won, but I'm impressed that Saldana held out as long as he did. This was a really tough wolf game, it was my first "major" wolf role and with the limitations we had - only 3 PM's to send each per day, the CoT and scanning abilities among the villagers - it was SO stressful!

[The Jackal]

Congrats PB!

I'm just pleased I was right with most of my personal gut feelings. ;)

[Alan T]

So this was my third Spawn game and my third time being captain at one point or other in the game.

Game 1 - We won and I lived as Captain until the end
Game 2 - We lost, but I died a hero's death fighting the Spawn Overlord
Game 3 - Won again

I have more luck in the Spawn games than any other. Maybe that's why I like them so much.

Heh, my second spawn game and second game as Captain myself.. but was a win both games for me.

Thanks for the game BK, Spawn is one of my top 5 games easily ever.. Alot of fun as always. I thought alot of people did great jobs, and appreciate that alot of the good guys did an excellent job breaking down actual facts and letting it override gut calls (such as Danny, Jeheinz, Kwhit, PudueBrad with the end of game being able to rule out who wasn't a likely spawn).. I think Passacaglia did great with his mid game move, think Saldana did a great job with fighting as long as he could (I figured you were a spawn until this morning.. your arguement about Chubby actually had won me over to thinking perhaps you wern't a spawn after all.. since I also felt that there was no way Chubby would fake a scan of you when he was trying to get in a CoT.. Ahh well!) There were other great jobs by most of the crew, and thanks to Kwhit for picking up my mess and bringing it home :)

[Lathum]

congrats PB!

[Passacaglia]

Good job villagers and congrats, PB!

[path12]

Way to go survivors! Great news, PB!

Barkeep, I really do love this ruleset. Thanks for running it.

[Alan T]

BK, who was going to be the overlord if it was reformed? What were the major differences in the ruleset this time that made it tougher for the spawn from last game when the spawn won? Or was it pretty close to the same rule set, just with different decisions made? (ie: no overlord this game, the crew getting off the planet faster, etc)?

[mccollins]

my original secret role was a miracle worker...i never used it

BK - how did that 5 crys get magically added that one time?

Why couldn't the spawn PM as much as they wanted?

[Marc Vaughan]

Congrats to the good guys :D

[path12]

BK - how did that 5 crys get magically added that one time?

Why couldn't the spawn PM as much as they wanted?

I was a miracle worker too. I generated that crys before one of my scans (hoops, I think).

[Chubby]

bah I got screwed by being attacked while at work, coulda talked my way out of hit had I been home.

I was converted the last night on the planet. I was fully villager when I went after MV, I really didn't think there was any way there were two empaths

[Chubby]

oh and I fake revealed about incorruptible to simply try and not get night killed as alan floated while everyone was lynching me. If I was home I would have confirmed that

[saldana]

BK, who was going to be the overlord if it was reformed? What were the major differences in the ruleset this time that made it tougher for the spawn from last game when the spawn won? Or was it pretty close to the same rule set, just with different decisions made? (ie: no overlord this game, the crew getting off the planet faster, etc)?

lathum would have been the overlord

[saldana]

and congratulations PB..thats great

[KWhit]

oh and I fake revealed about incorruptible to simply try and not get night killed as alan floated while everyone was lynching me. If I was home I would have confirmed that

That was me that figured you were bluffing the incorruptible stuff. I couldn't figure out if you were spawn why you would make that play for MV. It didn't make sense. Glad to see that I had the right read on that, even if ultimately we got a spawn by lynching you.

[hoopsguy]

I still don't get that, Chubby. You posted the "incorruptible" stuff at the same time as you did the empath - not later in the day.

Original spawn trio - what was the thought process in the early days of the game? Were you only able to convert one person per night? Did you try to convert more and fail? Did the 3 PM thing make it tough to coordinate your actions?

[PackerFanatic]

BK, how lucky was I on the roll with Packer that I ended up getting the upper hand and wounding him?

I was wondering that too. Had I been able to kill you, we might have lasted a little bit longer.

It was very odd, like Sal said, to going for a few of truly helping the villagers and doing what you can to help, and then suddenly be converted to spawn and get to see it completely from the other side. It was actually kind of neat when I got in (the night Telle died) and saw that olie and LSG were spawn, to then look back at what they had been saying.

I will also admit that the last day I did research, I had made a spawn removal device - basically a spawn killer that didn't kill the person. And had I had one more day, I had fully intended on using it on myself :)

Very fun game though guys, Sal you played like a champ at the end there. I almost thought you were going to be able to convince them.

[PackerFanatic]

That was me that figured you were bluffing the incorruptible stuff. I couldn't figure out if you were spawn why you would make that play for MV. It didn't make sense. Glad to see that I had the right read on that, even if ultimately we got a spawn by lynching you.

Although he wasn't a spawn until after all that crap.

[Passacaglia]

I still don't get that, Chubby. You posted the "incorruptible" stuff at the same time as you did the empath - not later in the day.

Original spawn trio - what was the thought process in the early days of the game? Were you only able to convert one person per night? Did you try to convert more and fail? Did the 3 PM thing make it tough to coordinate your actions?

I don't get it, either. Why make up stuff as a villager that will just get you caught in a lie? Especially when you had no reason to think there couldn't have been two empaths.

[Alan T]

That was me that figured you were bluffing the incorruptible stuff. I couldn't figure out if you were spawn why you would make that play for MV. It didn't make sense. Glad to see that I had the right read on that, even if ultimately we got a spawn by lynching you.


Yeah, I wasn't the one who said he was bluffing on the incorruptible stuff, I was the one that day who was making a big deal out of him claiming two different things.

[Passacaglia]

And did the Spawn target Chubby specifically to convert? Seems like an odd choice, if they knew both Chubby and MV were villagers.

[Alan T]

I still don't get that, Chubby. You posted the "incorruptible" stuff at the same time as you did the empath - not later in the day.

Original spawn trio - what was the thought process in the early days of the game? Were you only able to convert one person per night? Did you try to convert more and fail? Did the 3 PM thing make it tough to coordinate your actions?

Unless I am mistaken, only the spawn queen could lead a conversion attack. The others could either join in to increase the odds or do a normal kill at reduced odds each night

[claphamsa]

And did the Spawn target Chubby specifically to convert? Seems like an odd choice, if they knew both Chubby and MV were villagers.
wasnt it, you become spawnlin... then the next day you become spawn?

so maybe he had been hit already and didnt nkwo it.

[KWhit]

I don't get it, either. Why make up stuff as a villager that will just get you caught in a lie? Especially when you had no reason to think there couldn't have been two empaths.

I'll say it again. There are a couple of things that I think can really hurt the villagers' chances of winning a game.

1) Late vote switches as a villager
2) Lying as a villager

Now, there are times when you have to fudge the truth or not tell the whole truth (like when you're the seer). But in general, villager lying is a bad thing.

The wolves know more than the villagers do. Deception is THEIR friend - not the villagers' friend. The more correct information villagers have at their disposal, the more likely they are to win.

We got lucky that Chubby ended up being a converted spawn, but the lie there almost cost us a villager and could have lost us the game.

(Chubby, not picking on you, just using this as an example to make my point.)

[jeheinz72]

Nice! Good win folks. I loved this game but at times it drove me absolutely bat-shit crazy. I perpetually felt behind the times information wise. A lot of that is my fault for missing Monday in addition to the weekend play.

But hey, we won and I lived until the end, even with clap and hoops all up in my bid'ness early on.

BK - I assume I was the Gut Feeling role? No offense, but that's not a fun role at all.

Als, saldana, why Jackal at the end and not someone more clear-cut trusted, like KWhit?

[st.cronin]

I have successfully used deception as a villager quite a few times. I think its an important weapon, although difficult to use.

[KWhit]

I have successfully used deception as a villager quite a few times. I think its an important weapon, although difficult to use.

Nah. Stop trying to refute my position with facts.

I'm right. Trust me.

[claphamsa]

Nah. Stop trying to refute my position with facts.

I'm right. Trust me.


hahahahaha!

hes ready for congress!

[KWhit]

Yeah. Trying to get into character for the next game.

[oliegirl]

I still don't get that, Chubby. You posted the "incorruptible" stuff at the same time as you did the empath - not later in the day.

Original spawn trio - what was the thought process in the early days of the game? Were you only able to convert one person per night? Did you try to convert more and fail? Did the 3 PM thing make it tough to coordinate your actions?

We wanted to evolve the overlord, but in order to do so, we had to do NOTHING during night cycle. Even sleeping or faking an action would have counted as "something", so I was very worried about getting "caught" as I thought it would be very obvious that nothing was done by one or more of us.

The 3 PM things was VERY difficult. We'd try to cram as much info as we could into each PM, but there were questions and discussions that just didn't get to be answered b/c it would have exhausted our PM's. I think had we been able to converse more, we would have played very differently. We would have been able to weigh the pros and cons of different candidates for conversion/night kill, and probably would have chosen different people.

The first night we all worked together, we were seeing exactly what we could do and how "powerful" we were. None of us were what I'd call "experienced" wolves, so that was kind of a strike against us as well. I'm happy with our play overall, I think without evolving the overlord, which would have been very difficult, it would have been a similar end no matter who we chose to convert.

[Barkeep49]

Nice! Good win folks. I loved this game but at times it drove me absolutely bat-shit crazy. I perpetually felt behind the times information wise. A lot of that is my fault for missing Monday in addition to the weekend play.

But hey, we won and I lived until the end, even with clap and hoops all up in my bid'ness early on.

BK - I assume I was the Gut Feeling role? No offense, but that's not a fun role at all.

Als, saldana, why Jackal at the end and not someone more clear-cut trusted, like KWhit?
You were incorruptible. You'd have learned if a Spawn attack failed on you. I know having a secret role you never learn isn't a ton of fun, but I think it's important for game balance reasons for the spawn to have survivors who don't know their roles.

[jeheinz72]

You were incorruptible. You'd have learned if a Spawn attack failed on you. I know having a secret role you never learn isn't a ton of fun, but I think it's important for game balance reasons for the spawn to have survivors who don't know their roles.

That's cool. I didn't mind so much not knowing my secret role, that's no biggie.

I just don't see the point of Gut Feeling. It's like, if someone is getting 2-4 votes then they're likely on/around the chopping block and no one will really believe/care what they say anyhow. And it's not really a public declaration that helps much.

Unless I'm missing a way in which it could be used.

[hoopsguy]

BK, would you be able to post all the role info today? As well as timelines for actions? And, if you are feeling particularly post-happy, maybe some thoughts on what were big points in the game from your perspective? Ex - if Spawn attack slave pens on Night ??? then there is another slave revolt.

[LoneStarGirl]

That is the problem with having women as the wolves, we didn't agree on much. I really wanted to do nothing but work on the over lord, but I was overruled. It was my idea to convert PF because I didn't think anybody would suspect both scientests to be wolves. I really wanted to convert Kwhit or Alant instead of Chubby and Saldana... but Sal did a great job staying alive until page 90

[claphamsa]

Damb womne!

[oliegirl]

That is the problem with having women as the wolves, we didn't agree on much. I really wanted to do nothing but work on the over lord, but I was overruled. It was my idea to convert PF because I didn't think anybody would suspect both scientests to be wolves. I really wanted to convert Kwhit or Alant instead of Chubby and Saldana... but Sal did a great job staying alive until page 90

I agree with this to a point...I think it wouldn't have been a problem if we'd had more PM ability and been able to discuss it. My fear in evolving the overlord was drawing suspicion by not accomplishing our night actions. Especially me...I was so afraid I'd get spied on and then would have to answer why I wasn't guarding who I'd been told to guard or spying on someone. If we'd been able to talk things out and discuss how we'd handle a situation like that, then it would have been a different story.

[Lathum]

I was the overlord and felt very unwanted

[oliegirl]

I was the overlord and felt very unwanted

LOL! At one point I asked BK if the overlord was in the game, and when he told me no I replied and said "well then it's either Lathum or Cronin"...and then followed it up with another PM that said "Or Chief". Glad I was right :)

I really wanted to evolve you, I just didn't see how it could be done without basically outing ourselves as wolves.

[Chubby]

I'll say it again. There are a couple of things that I think can really hurt the villagers' chances of winning a game.

1) Late vote switches as a villager
2) Lying as a villager

Now, there are times when you have to fudge the truth or not tell the whole truth (like when you're the seer). But in general, villager lying is a bad thing.

The wolves know more than the villagers do. Deception is THEIR friend - not the villagers' friend. The more correct information villagers have at their disposal, the more likely they are to win.

We got lucky that Chubby ended up being a converted spawn, but the lie there almost cost us a villager and could have lost us the game.

(Chubby, not picking on you, just using this as an example to make my point.)

I know.

Like I said, I only threw it out there to try and NOT get converted/attacked. Would have explained that if I was around when it got questioned..

[PurdueBrad]

I wasn't blowing you guys off, I felt a little bad about dropping that bit of news during BK's wrap-up. But thanks a ton for all your congrats. It'll be our first and I'm excited, nervous, etc. but it should be awesome. Anyway, your congratulations were very nice and I thank you.

[bulletsponge]

i told yall i was a human, and i suggested there was a girl power deal happeing with this spawn. :)

*pats himself on the back*

[saldana]

Nice! Good win folks. I loved this game but at times it drove me absolutely bat-shit crazy. I perpetually felt behind the times information wise. A lot of that is my fault for missing Monday in addition to the weekend play.

But hey, we won and I lived until the end, even with clap and hoops all up in my bid'ness early on.

BK - I assume I was the Gut Feeling role? No offense, but that's not a fun role at all.

Als, saldana, why Jackal at the end and not someone more clear-cut trusted, like KWhit?

2 reasons....first, kwhit still had a phaser, and the risk of getting injured was higher. second, i took jackal so i could claim the "frame up by killing the person that suspected me" routine that i tried to use....i actually think i had some people thinking about it, but there was just too much math against me.

[saldana]

That is the problem with having women as the wolves, we didn't agree on much. I really wanted to do nothing but work on the over lord, but I was overruled. It was my idea to convert PF because I didn't think anybody would suspect both scientests to be wolves. I really wanted to convert Kwhit or Alant instead of Chubby and Saldana... but Sal did a great job staying alive until page 90

i was converted on the planet, according to BK.

also, as an answer to the question about why i didnt kill kwhit on the last night, i didnt know that I was NEVER going to get any additional powers...i just thought they were taking a really really long time...i was keeping kwhit in because if i had ever gotten an evolved role, specifically the SkinDancer, i would have traded myself for Kwhit, since you could never vote for him, and we would have won.

btw Barkeep, i really liked the idea of the SkinDancer...if it ever had come into play, it would have tested the whole theory of "if i die, but my team wins, do i get to count it as a win"...it really put a whole new WW meaning to taking one for the team.

[Barkeep49]

Yeah it's a good role as it really gives another reason to threaten the CoT though it wasn't really mentioned in later days.

[KWhit]

So there was no Unaware Spawn in the game?

[Barkeep49]

So there was no Unaware Spawn in the game?
There were no spawn with ANY role, except Spawn and Queen.

[Poli]

doesnt count! it was multiple threads... its wierd looking back tho, you blade or poli lead a vast majoirty of the games... and your the only one who still plays!

Sometimes I search my user name to see if anyone asked something of me with the chance I may have missed it.

I'd probably still play, I'm just way too busy at this point in my life. Life is grand, why ruin it? ;)

[Barkeep49]

I've always thought we're a bit Puritanical about the post editing. Considering the edit went in the same minute he posted I feel it's no biggie, though I know most people disagree with me on that.

See? I wasn't lying when I said I liked that part of JAG's game; it's bothered me for over 3 years.

[CrimsonFox]

Wow so many people that don't play anymore.

[Autumn]

Must have been before my time, or during a break, I dont' remember this one. I didn't play in any of the Spawn games.

[Barkeep49]

Before your time I think.

[Autumn]

Great, I'm still the new guy.